Figured out why I feel amazing as a fan currently... Sean McDermott is an elite head coach.

[Chandler#81]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

It is just nonsense. McDermott has more wins against teams currently with winning records than any other coach this season. The three teams he has lost to are 24-9.... pretty sure that is the best win % of any collection of victorious opponents too.

 

If he loses again in the first round of the playoffs there will be a legitimate reason to ask if that is his ceiling as a coach but so far this regular season he is doing as good a job as any coach in the NFL and I include Mike Tomlin and the 10-0 Steelers in that.

 

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They crush teams sometimes? So do the Atlanta Falcons should Raheem Morris be in your elite category too?

 

Please don’t encourage him to reconsider his ‘happy place’, GB. Watching Eyore’s implode is why I come here everyday. 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

Shouldn't be drinking this much on a Monday. Just sayin'......

[TheCockSportif]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you think he plays a small violin after Bills games?

Perhaps a flute that's made of human skin.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The flex seal family of products!

[Greg S]

40 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

 

8-3 and first place in the division and you are depressed? I hope you weren't around during the 1984 and 85 seasons.

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, Greg S said:

 

8-3 and first place in the division and you are depressed? I hope you weren't around during the 1984 and 85 seasons.

This exactly.  I'm not saying that yesterday's game was a master stroke, but my god... 1984 and 1985 were a special brand of special.  Some need to get a grip!

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

8-3 and first place in the division and you are depressed? I hope you weren't around during the 1984 and 85 seasons.

Again, 8-3/division means little if you're going nowhere in the conference. Just being good isn't good enough.

Just now, Groin said:

This exactly.  I'm not saying that yesterday's game was a master stroke, but my god... 1984 and 1985 were a special brand of special.  Some need to get a grip!

It seems like you're of the "At least we're good/it could be a lot worse" mentality, which I don't subscribe to at all.

[thurst44]

28 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The reason I say this about Vrabel is he clearly motivates that team to just come out and stomp people semi-regularly. They come up big in big games, and they just crush teams sometimes.

 

McDermott's Bills do not do this.

I hope you're right!

Vrabel's Titans also barely beat a lot of terrible teams (Jags, Texans, Vikings, Broncos) and lost by 11 to the Bengals. On the flipside, McDermott's Bills have not lost to a bad team since arguably the Browns last year and have beat four teams with seven wins or more. Yes, they lost to the Titans, but even you have to admit that the circumstances of that game were a little weird. Bills had to prepare for two different undefeated teams while the Titans got a bye week-plus. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Groin said:

Perhaps a flute that's made of human skin.

ewww

[TheCockSportif]

2 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It seems like you're of the "At least we're good/it could be a lot worse" mentality, which I don't subscribe to at all.

The majority of people here expected this to be a 10-6 or 11-5 team this season coupled with at least one playoff win.  That's a reasonable expectation and also means that this team has grown, and continues to grow.

 

What did you expect for this season?

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

ewww

I went there.  #sorrynotsorry 🙂

Edited November 30, 2020 by Groin

[MJS]

Everyone else is depressed because of fans like you. Just do us a favor and leave. Go root for one of your supposed "championship" coaches.

 

How many years did it take for Reid to win a superbowl? How many Superbowls has Vrabel won? This is just ridiculous.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Again, 8-3/division means little if you're going nowhere in the conference. Just being good isn't good enough.

It seems like you're of the "At least we're good/it could be a lot worse" mentality, which I don't subscribe to at all.

 

I subscribe to the "this 8-3 is a lot better than you think it is." We are not blowing teams out but we are beating good teams and doing it pretty consistently. Can we do it in the post season remains a question. Just don't think it is worth worrying about right now. If we fail in January there will be ample time for an autopsy in the dead months of the NFL calendar.

[Matt_In_NH]

What were any of these guys before they won a SB?  Many of them were fired at various times.

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Again, 8-3/division means little if you're going nowhere in the conference. Just being good isn't good enough.

 

It seems like you're of the "At least we're good/it could be a lot worse" mentality, which I don't subscribe to at all.

 

It seems you are of the "I know everything that will happen and my opinion is reality" mentality.

 

You are just plain wrong. The Bills are good enough right now to make a run in the playoffs.

[Big Turk]

47 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

 

So you have played fantasy land in your own head before anything has happened ans determined this is going to be true. You live in fantasyland rather than reality at this point.

 

And you are depressed about something that hasn't even happened yet because you already have determined it will in the future? Have you consulted the precogs in Minority Report?

 

Unbelievable...sometimes I wish a board existed that we could go to that eliminated nonsense threads like this. It is depressing for me to have to come to thia board and read this type of content.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, mattynh said:

What were any of these guys before they won a SB?  Many of them were fired at various times.

Yeah, it took Reid decades of coaching to win a Superbowl. He was actually criticized for his failure to perform in the playoffs and get to the big game until he finally did.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 minute ago, Groin said:

The majority of people here expected this to be a 10-6 or 11-5 team this season coupled with at least one playoff win.  That's a reasonable expectation and also means that this team has grown, and continues to grow.

 

What did you expect for this season?

I went there.  #sorrynotsorry 🙂

I was hoping for 12-4 and to be a true contender, a juggernaut if you will. We MIGHT get to 12-4, but there's little hope of a deep playoff run. I wanted to go into next year talked about as a legitimate Super Bowl favorite, top 3 type of team. But we haven't shown the ability to crush teams and be elite.

[Chandler#81]

4 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

So you have played fantasy land in your own head before anything has happened ans determined this is going to be true. You live in fantasyland rather than reality at this point.

 

And you are depressed about something that hasn't even happened yet because you already have determined it will in the future? Have you consulted the precogs in Minority Report?

 

Unbelievable...sometimes I wish a board existed that we could go to that eliminated nonsense threads like this. It is depressing for me to have to come to thia board and read this type of content.

 

ya gotta know I’m trying! They’re like midnight munchin’, shower taking gremlins. Kill one, 5 more pop up out of nowhere.

🤷‍♂️

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

It seems you are of the "I know everything that will happen and my opinion is reality" mentality.

 

You are just plain wrong. The Bills are good enough right now to make a run in the playoffs.

I hope you're right.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was hoping for 12-4 and to be a true contender, a juggernaut if you will. We MIGHT get to 12-4, but there's little hope of a deep playoff run. I wanted to go into next year talked about as a legitimate Super Bowl favorite, top 3 type of team. But we haven't shown the ability to crush teams and be elite.

You’re depressed as a fan because the bills aren’t elite yet?  I get it, but you’re missing out on a lot of fun. Why let the possibility of losing ruin that for you?  The playoffs are an entirely different season. 

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I was hoping for 12-4 and to be a true contender, a juggernaut if you will. We MIGHT get to 12-4, but there's little hope of a deep playoff run. I wanted to go into next year talked about as a legitimate Super Bowl favorite, top 3 type of team. But we haven't shown the ability to crush teams and be elite.

Who says that there's little hope of a deep playoff run?

 

Had someone told me 3 weeks ago that the Saints weren't going deep this year I would've laughed.  Had someone told me that the 9ers would be bereft of healthy players, or that they might move on from Jimmy G, I would've been incredulous.  That's two coaches out of your master list.

 

KC is exceptional plain and simple, and the Steelers are blowing my mind with how they've hung in there (cue: cute cat hanging in there gif).  The Titans are wildcards like the Bills on some level.  Literally anything can happen over the next month, and given this wacky season -- probably will.

 

You do you, but my advice is to relax a bit.

[BuffaLoko]

59 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

Hey Jose.... you got me hooked up t the sentence: ¨I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked...¨either you are a relatively new fan to the Bills, or you are just depressed period. I am not a Doctor, so my pep talk ends right here... good luck with your well being man! ....

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

11 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Unbelievable...sometimes I wish a board existed that we could go to that eliminated nonsense threads like this. It is depressing for me to have to come to thia board and read this type of content.

I wonder if it would bother you if I posted a thread saying I think McDermott is an elite coach and will win multiple Super Bowls during his tenure. That is arguably much more unrealistic than what I'm saying, but I suspect it would be welcomed.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

 

McDermott reminds me of Harbaugh - who has a super bowl under his belt.  Tomlin is 8-7 in the playoffs, so is Payton.  

 

Coaches i feel like should be in the conversation there are Harbaugh, Carroll, McVay.  

Edited November 30, 2020 by dneveu

[TheFunPolice]

After a nearly 20 year playoff drought, having a team that makes the playoffs just about every year is a nice change of pace! Have we forgotten watching 4-7 Bills teams playing out the string with a rotation of nobodies at QB and the hottest topic being firing the head coach in December? 

 

McDermott and Beane deserve a ton of credit for completely turning this franchise around. 

 

As far as post-season success, standards will be raised, but you have to be in the tournament to win a title. 

 

No coach is perfect, and "he can't win the big one!" is what everyone says... until you win the big one. 

 

It was the one "yeah, butt" about Andy Reid. Talk about a guy who coached forever but "couldn't win the Super Bowl." 

Edited November 30, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[papazoid]

i'm going the other way....

 

mcdermott is a top 10 coach.....bills are 8-3 with so many holes to fill at TE, LB, CB, OL,  RB

 

it's beane who needs to step it up....he's good....but gets more credit than i think is deserved. 

 

i want beane to stay...i'm just sayin.

[CLTbills]

If you feel "depressed" after 2 consecutive 8-3 starts to seasons, I think  you are the problem.

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I wonder if it would bother you if I posted a thread saying I think McDermott is an elite coach and will win multiple Super Bowls during his tenure. That is arguably much more unrealistic than what I'm saying, but I suspect it would be welcomed.

I would tell you to pump the breaks and that McDermott is unproven in the playoffs.

 

I routinely criticize both extremes.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I wonder if it would bother you if I posted a thread saying I think McDermott is an elite coach and will win multiple Super Bowls during his tenure. That is arguably much more unrealistic than what I'm saying, but I suspect it would be welcomed.

 

Is it? Based on what? The fantasy land projections you are using 10 years out in your own mind? The multiple drafts of players not even in high school yet that you see all the teams engaging in? Have you also done all the trades in these drafts too even though you have no idea what draft position any of the teams will have? Have you already assigned free agents that haven't even made it to the NFL yet to the various teams after their rookie deals expire on teams that haven't even drafted them yet? Did you simply play Madden 10 years out in franchise mode to come to this conclusion?

 

On what rational logical data and evidence are you basing this on? I would like to know.

 

More than anything how good a coach is or isn't over a given period depends on how much talent they have at their disposal. Since this is impossible to know projecting into the future is pointless. Also at 68, Bellicheat won't be around much longer.

Edited November 30, 2020 by matter2003

[TheFunPolice]

I see the Bills as having a great chance to make a crazy run and win a Super Bowl (or maybe 2) sometime in the next few years, but I don't see a dynasty sort of team.

 

I think McDermott and the Bills will most resemble the Steelers of the past 15 years. Seemingly always in it, but never really seen as THE team to beat. I mean, the Steelers are unbeaten but all you hear is "yeah, butt" from commentators. Nobody is saying they aren't a great team, but it doesn't seem like they are getting the hype or attention that an unbeaten team ought to. 

 

If the Bills have their type of run for 15 years, winning a SB or 2, I'll take it, though! 

Edited November 30, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[Mc1320]

I think you forgot that McD took a garbage roster his first year and went 9-7 to end the playoff drought.

Plus his players seem to love him which means a lot - just look at the reaction from current and former Lions players to the firing of Fat Matt Pat in D-Town. 

[JGMcD2]

39 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

I get the sentiment. McDermott inspires very little confidence when you hear him speak. He doesn't appear to be a guy who can match wits with a good coach, let alone outfox one. I'm also of the belief that Bills' ceiling is capped with him and that does lead to a certain apathy. But worse coaches than him have gotten lucky here and there. It really all rests on how good Allen can be and how much talent Beane can surround him with.

I'm sorry he doesn't inspire you. He's really bad at the whole pumping the media and the fans up, definitely a bad line on his resume...we all know the coaches that do this well tend to win more games. It's such a shame he connects with the players and motivates them. I hate when players love their coach and are winning footballs games. 

 

I watched him get outfoxed this year by so many great coaches, the likes of Sean McVay, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll and Jon Gruden. I really wish he could have beat those guys this year, because if he had we'd be around 1st place in the division!

8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I see the Bills as having a great chance to make a crazy run and win a Super Bowl (or maybe 2) sometime in the next few years, but I don't see a dynasty sort of team.

 

I think McDermott and the Bills will most resemble the Steelers of the past 15 years. Seemingly always in it, but never really seen as THE team to beat. I mean, the Steelers are unbeaten but all you hear is "yeah, butt" from commentators. Nobody is saying they aren't a great team, but it doesn't seem like they are getting the hype or attention that an unbeaten team ought to. 

 

If the Bills have their type of run for 15 years, winning a SB or 2, I'll take it, though! 

Yeah, I mean they've pretty openly said this is their goal. They want sustainable success... because the playoffs are a crapshoot... the more often you are there the better chance you have of winning it all.

[Like A Mofo]

Bills were 8-3 this time last year: The Bills are 8-3 again having played a much tougher schedule, missing more players and can still get better going forward.

 

Can't some of you just enjoy this???

[foreboding]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

OMG. Crawl back from whenst you came.

We FINALLY have a coach with a winning mindset, a man coaches, players respect who has transformed our culture and you are DEPRESSED? 

This thread ought be high on the list of dumbest posts of the year.

 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said:

Bills were 8-3 this time last year: The Bills are 8-3 again having played a much tougher schedule, missing more players and can still get better going forward.

 

Can't some of you just enjoy this???

 

8-3 because we haven't beaten one team with a winning record.

[TheCockSportif]

19 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

8-3 because we haven't beaten one team with a winning record.

Is this a really good benchmark though (and I note that, for example, the Bills beat the Seahawks and the Rams and the Raiders)?  The vast majority of winning teams have bolstered their records by beating lesser opponents, then had enough talent and coaching to get them over the hump against better opponents in the playoffs.

[Einstein's Dog]

48 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Unbelievable...sometimes I wish a board existed that we could go to that eliminated nonsense threads like this. It is depressing for me to have to come to thia board and read this type of content.

Actually, I'm hoping maybe someone can start a positivity thread after each win, where negative comments aren't allowed (they permeate most other threads).  I would seek that out.  After a win I like to rejoice with other like minded fans.  Those who don't like it could always just not read it and go to the other threads - yet I doubt some posters would be able to resist and the thread would need monitoring.

 

I really wished we had one after the New England win.  As a long time Bills fan, I was ecstatic.  Could be the signature and defining win for the Bills - a division winning, changing of the guard type historic win.  Yet most of the threads were depressed.  What a letdown.  And in retrospect that win continues to be significant - they beat the Ravens and AZ.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

The other massively encouraging thing about McD is that he has shown time and time again the willingness to grow and change (ie. data analysis based game day decision making, cutting the chord early on a "mistake" player,  ). He is developing just like our QB is.

 

This.  McDermott is a growth-minded coach.  If he doesn't succeed, he will keep grinding and trying again and again until he does, including looking in the mirror to try to identify what he's doing wrong.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

 

Maybe you would happier as fan as other team?  Try it out.