Officiating across the league is god awful

[RoyBatty is alive]

19 hours ago, BananaB said:

Meanwhile, Hill does a backflip into the end zone for KC. That was ***** classless. All my years of watching football I have always said KC is one of the most classless organizations I have ever seen. They always rub it in, doesn’t matter what decade and who’s on the roster. 

 

I hate the celebrations though so I understand people won’t agree with me. 

 

 

The NFL and its asinine rules, the "taunting " is another one.

 

Where does one draw the line between a "celebration" and "taunting".   

19 hours ago, BananaB said:

Meanwhile, Hill does a backflip into the end zone for KC. That was ***** classless. All my years of watching football I have always said KC is one of the most classless organizations I have ever seen. They always rub it in, doesn’t matter what decade and who’s on the roster. 

 

I hate the celebrations though so I understand people won’t agree with me. 

 

 

The NFL and its asinine rules, the "taunting " is another one.

 

Where does one draw the line between a "celebration" and "taunting".   

[Nuncha]

21 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

He threw the ball at a tackler after the play. The official, like I, thought it was intentional. If he doesn't sling the ball behind his back at the tackler, he gives the official nothing to think about. Pretty dang simple...

I'm not going to argue with stupidity.  Even Gannon and Gumbel said it was a bad call.

[BillsMafia13]

23 hours ago, BananaB said:

Meanwhile, Hill does a backflip into the end zone for KC. That was ***** classless. All my years of watching football I have always said KC is one of the most classless organizations I have ever seen. They always rub it in, doesn’t matter what decade and who’s on the roster. 

 

I hate the celebrations though so I understand people won’t agree with me. 

Or how every player has to have a big signal when they get a first down. Come on

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Back the Blue said:

For all who believe that full-time officials are the answer, look to the NHL and even the NBA and MLB.  Officials/Refs/Umpires still make mistakes.  It's part of the game.

This isn't a very compelling argument.

 

The officiating in baseball is by far the best in N. American major league sports.

 

And they use professionals, have a rigorous grading/evaluation system, and umps move up the ranks just like players. 

 

I don't know that full time NFL refs would make a lot of difference however.

 

I don't see the officiating in the NFL has anything the league is concerned with, so I doubt there would be some major change in this area anyway.

I do wish they would take the entire instant replay/review system and throw it in the garbage and never go back.

 

 

 

 

 

[fasteddie]

Watching MNF and Wentz gets ball snapped over his head. He grabs the ball, rolls out and throws the ball at least 3 yards short of the LOS where an official is standing. Then the idiot ref says that there is no grounding because he threw it past the LOS, which he did not. How can they screw up an easy call like that? 

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

This isn't a very compelling argument.

 

The officiating in baseball is by far the best in N. American major league sports.

 

And they use professionals, have a rigorous grading/evaluation system, and umps move up the ranks just like players. 

 

I don't know that full time NFL refs would make a lot of difference however.

 

I don't see the officiating in the NFL has anything the league is concerned with, so I doubt there would be some major change in this area anyway.

I do wish they would take the entire instant replay/review system and throw it in the garbage and never go back.

 

 

 

 

 

You are correct about baseball and the most important part is they are graded on their calls. If the NFL allowed teams to grades officials after the game it would be illuminating after a few games. No coach is gonna call all officials trash, he will quickly determine which officials he wants and those he hates. I would bet most coaches prefer officials who stay out of game unless it is necessary.

[HardyBoy]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:48 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

Be held responsible?  You actually think the League can fine a ref for a bad call and the union not stepping in?

 

There is roughly 150 plays per game and they blow a call or two call and that means they are terrible?

 

Depending on the call and the situation, yeah I think it can be extremely problematic. If the chargers score a td at the end, the over hits and the chargers cover. The initial no call on the clear offensive PI td and a few other penalties you rarely see being called in key high leverage situations raises concerns.

 

Also, the lack of a booth review on the pass interference, when it really looked like the ball hit the ground and it would have been game over had they reviewed it, instead hail mary and almost a crazy backend cover and the over.

 

You can't, especially in a post donoghy world, have a ref crew that makes so many more judgement calls compared to other crews, in meaningless garbage time (chance for an onside kick recovery is prob less than the Hail Murray play) making headscratching judgment calls that directly lead to a potential last second cover and the over flipping.

 

I promise I'm not saying I think it's going on, but I also think there will be somebody investigating that crew now if they aren't already just to make sure. The optics look really really bad for the league in my opinion in that last sequence and the bills stopping them saved the league a lot of crap.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I would swap to the college officials in a heartbeat

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Watching MNF and Wentz gets ball snapped over his head. He grabs the ball, rolls out and throws the ball at least 3 yards short of the LOS where an official is standing. Then the idiot ref says that there is no grounding because he threw it past the LOS, which he did not. How can they screw up an easy call like that? 

 

The packers forced a fumble on trubiskey on SNF, and returned it for a TD.  Not 1, but 2 packers pulled on his facemask.  How do you miss that, on the QB... in the pocket... with the ball?

27 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would swap to the college officials in a heartbeat

 

They seem to have fewer like... 2 minute conversations before they make calls.  They just walk out there and go holding on 77, replay the down.  What down is it?  77 isn't even on the field!  

[skibum]

Overofficious jerks. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 hours ago, Back the Blue said:

For all who believe that full-time officials are the answer, look to the NHL and even the NBA and MLB.  Officials/Refs/Umpires still make mistakes.  It's part of the game.

 

No - but there needs to be some accountability.  How are they evaluated?  I know if you are evaluated poorly you don't get playoff games - but when/how do they determine whether to get rid of you, promote/demote, etc.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

The packers forced a fumble on trubiskey on SNF, and returned it for a TD.  Not 1, but 2 packers pulled on his facemask.  How do you miss that, on the QB... in the pocket... with the ball?

 

They seem to have fewer like... 2 minute conversations before they make calls.  They just walk out there and go holding on 77, replay the down.  What down is it?  77 isn't even on the field!  

I haven’t been watching a ton of college ball this year but the few games I did catch shows the refs with their heads on a swivel scanning the area and making a strong effort to get a good view of the play. If feels like NFL official have a union rule that says don’t take more than 10 steps on a play and risk injury.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I think refs try too hard to find calls to make. It's almost like they do the opposite of what everyone wants, if it's close let it go. They seem to believe in if it's close throw the flag. 

[fasteddie]

43 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

The packers forced a fumble on trubiskey on SNF, and returned it for a TD.  Not 1, but 2 packers pulled on his facemask.  How do you miss that, on the QB... in the pocket... with the ball?

 

They seem to have fewer like... 2 minute conversations before they make calls.  They just walk out there and go holding on 77, replay the down.  What down is it?  77 isn't even on the field!  

Both the referee and umpire are in the offensive backfield in the NFL so that play where Trubisky was facing away from them made it nearly impossible for the officials to see that foul. When the umpire was on the defensive side of the ball, more of those calls were made.

Edited December 1, 2020 by fasteddie

[dave mcbride]

On 11/29/2020 at 7:32 PM, Azucho98 said:

You think he did?  If you have to "think" about a personal foul penalty it wasn't a foul.  The ball landed nowhere near the defender.  BS call.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the replay showed that the ball that moss threw backward hit the defender in the gut. Weak call, but it did hit the defender.

[Buffaloaf]

I just want there to be fewer penalties overall.  Nobody tunes in to watch referees throw flags.  

 

Penalties have become such a big part of the game that I can't even get excited in real time because I'm waiting to see if there was a flag.  Big QB sack (I hope they didn't touch his helmet or hit him low).   Punt return (probably a holding flag somewhere).  Big pass breakup (probably defensive PI).  It's frustrating.

[hemma]

Josh got his taunting call for spinning the ball, then a mild reminder from McDermott that a second offense would lead to a disqual.

 

I started thinking about that and remembered that he did another ballspin later in the game.

At 3:45 in the 4th, he had a 13 yard run from the Chargers 24 on a 3rd and 9.  It ended up being negated by 2 other Offensive penalties, but while on his knees, he spun the ball again.

Officials didn't notice as they were already chit-chatting about the other 2 penalties.

 

He needs to immediately get that little ball spin gimmick out of his game.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

I'm sure it's been talked about but the non intentional grounding call against Wentz is one of the worst calls I have ever seen.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, hemma said:

Josh got his taunting call for spinning the ball, then a mild reminder from McDermott that a second offense would lead to a disqual.

 

I started thinking about that and remembered that he did another ballspin later in the game.

At 3:45 in the 4th, he had a 13 yard run from the Chargers 24 on a 3rd and 9.  It ended up being negated by 2 other Offensive penalties, but while on his knees, he spun the ball again.

Officials didn't notice as they were already chit-chatting about the other 2 penalties.

 

He needs to immediately get that little ball spin gimmick out of his game.

The issue wasn’t spinning the ball, it was spinning the ball in the face of the opposing team’s player. 

[Motorin']

On 11/29/2020 at 5:15 PM, Brennan Huff said:

I won’t shed too many tears about it. But that “blindside block” was complete bull#### and brought back a touchdown. It’s a legit concern

 

No it wasn't. It was the exact definition of the rule. You can't blowup a guy any more with your back to your endzone. "Blindside" is a nick name, it's not the rule. 

[hemma]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

The issue wasn’t spinning the ball, it was spinning the ball in the face of the opposing team’s player. 

 

Why give the refs an excuse?  Is there anything to be gained by your QB taking any chance on a disqual?

Edited December 2, 2020 by hemma

[Brennan Huff]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

No it wasn't. It was the exact definition of the rule. You can't blowup a guy any more with your back to your endzone. "Blindside" is a nick name, it's not the rule. 

Ok thanks

[Plano]

On 11/30/2020 at 12:25 PM, Back the Blue said:

For all who believe that full-time officials are the answer, look to the NHL and even the NBA and MLB.  Officials/Refs/Umpires still make mistakes.  It's part of the game.

Then you take them out of the game and make everything automated with robotics. 

 

Would not be hard at all and would probably speed the game up.

There's no need for refs, the chain gang, etc. Computers can solve this entire thing.

 

 

[DJB]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:22 PM, HOUSE said:

I watched  is horror as Josh spinned that ball after the TD. 

 

 

 

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[Nuncha]

On 12/1/2020 at 10:54 AM, dave mcbride said:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the replay showed that the ball that moss threw backward hit the defender in the gut. Weak call, but it did hit the defender.

Moss flipped the ball behind his back and the replay doesn't even show where the ball lands.  Not sure what you are smoking...Take a look here:  If he wanted to throw the ball AT the defender, don't you think he would be LOOKING at him? 

 

Weird unsportsmanlikeConduct penalty on zack moss | NFL Week 12 - YouTube

 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Azucho98

[Xwnyer]

Every team is complaining about officiating plus they don’t seem to ever call for measurements anymore.  Some claim that it’s. Because the crews aren’t used to working with each other but  I find that a lame excuse.  You are a side judge you have responsibilities plain and simple.   OL holding calls must be significantly down this year but lots of tricky tack fouls being called

[simpleman]

The problem is lack of standards and accountability. Refs should be held accountable for bad calls that affect the outcome of a game. And bad judgement. Mess up, get a week no pay. Mess up, get demoted. Mess up too much, lose your job. Strict accountability. Only the best of the best get to play in the NFL. Only the best should be officiating the best.

Edited December 4, 2020 by simpleman

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

this is at high school level and it seems the kid didn't like the idea of being ejected from the game.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

11 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

Moss flipped the ball behind his back and the replay doesn't even show where the ball lands.  Not sure what you are smoking...Take a look here:  If he wanted to throw the ball AT the defender, don't you think he would be LOOKING at him? 

 

Weird unsportsmanlikeConduct penalty on zack moss | NFL Week 12 - YouTube

 

 

There was a reverse angle replay of it about a minute later. I am *certain* of this. It did appear to show the ball hitting the defender; of that I am fairly sure. But regardless, it was a stupid call. 

[Nuncha]

On 12/4/2020 at 9:05 AM, dave mcbride said:

There was a reverse angle replay of it about a minute later. I am *certain* of this. It did appear to show the ball hitting the defender; of that I am fairly sure. But regardless, it was a stupid call. 

Well if it hit someone it was not intentional - he flipped it behind his back.  lol BS call.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 12/4/2020 at 5:30 AM, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said:

this is at high school level and it seems the kid didn't like the idea of being ejected from the game.

 

 

I fully expect to see Hughes do that in his last game and I will put 100$ towards his fine.

The officials this year are part of what is making the NFL hard to watch. Hire the college officials and let the college have our putrid/disgusting bunch.

[nedboy7]

Wow there were some bad calls?  How can people watch this??

[Matt_In_NH]

On 12/2/2020 at 10:50 AM, hemma said:

Josh got his taunting call for spinning the ball, then a mild reminder from McDermott that a second offense would lead to a disqual.

 

I started thinking about that and remembered that he did another ballspin later in the game.

At 3:45 in the 4th, he had a 13 yard run from the Chargers 24 on a 3rd and 9.  It ended up being negated by 2 other Offensive penalties, but while on his knees, he spun the ball again.

Officials didn't notice as they were already chit-chatting about the other 2 penalties.

 

He needs to immediately get that little ball spin gimmick out of his game.

Spinning the ball is not a penalty unless it’s deemed taunting 

[Scott7975]

On 11/30/2020 at 8:19 AM, Don Otreply said:

You know, if someone did such a show, kinda like the Josh Allen “ five minutes of drops” video, add in the “ is this games in the fix” ’angle,  the embarrassment factor might just have an effect. Also send a copy to GMFB and every other sports outlet and do a  YouTube channel, it just might force the leagues hand to fire a bunch of these hacks. Oh, and do four such shows each season, one for each quarter of the season. It would show what a farce the league office has turned into. 

 

Social embarrassment can be a powerful tool.

 

The NFL would probably just have it taken down for copyright reasons.  I guess you could argue its for educational purposes which I believe allows clips of material but I dont fully know those laws.

On 11/30/2020 at 11:43 AM, Jrb1979 said:

As I said in another thread IMO the reason for the bad officiating is due to the refs being game managers. Its a problem across all leagues, they are so focused on parity they do whatever it takes to keep games close. IMO it has ruined sports as a whole. All parity has done is make every team mediocre. No team stands out and all to make all fans happy. 

 

I would argue the Jets stand out 😃

 

[Jrb1979]

On 12/5/2020 at 11:59 AM, Scott7975 said:

 

I would argue the Jets stand out 😃

 

Yes the Jets stand out. I'm not sure how many of you watch the NHL but their refs call the game to keep it close. It wouldn't surprise me the NFL does the same.