Big Turk Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) I just don't understand how teams can so easily take away the Bills deep passing game but fail to do it against all the other teams in the league who somehow still find ways to push the ball down the field regardless. Why do the Bills struggle so much when other teams don't seem to? Edited November 2, 2020 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Yea is frustrating for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 They’re not even trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Because you have to hit the short and intermediate game too, once teams figured out our deep game we have been struggling. However today was a step in the right direction with the running game finally stepping up, a big part of that was Feliciano. Now the TEs need to step and the other WRs need to work on the short stuff, Beasley cant be the only one working the underneath game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Because you have tunnel vision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragoon Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 With this weeks ground game we might not get so many two deep safeties in coming weeks on early downs. Wishful thinking maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Like the chiefs? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Pretty windy today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Yeah it is weird last weeks. However, it made complete sense today given how windy it was. I hope that they open in up next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Well when other teams coaching staffs come up with a game plan and it doesn’t work they know how to switch it and change things up to make it work our coaching staff doesn’t know how to do this. It’s why we get out coached in the 2nd half of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: Well when other teams coaching staffs come up with a game plan and it doesn’t work they know how to switch it and change things up to make it work our coaching staff doesn’t know how to do this. It’s why we get out coached in the 2nd half of games. And yet, these terrible coaches of ours have made it to the playoffs two out of the last three years and , at 6-2, are poised to make it three out of four. It is a mystery. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasBillsFan1 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Because you have to hit the short and intermediate game too, once teams figured out our deep game we have been struggling. However today was a step in the right direction with the running game finally stepping up, a big part of that was Feliciano. Now the TEs need to step and the other WRs need to work on the short stuff, Beasley cant be the only one working the underneath game. This! Often I see our WR or RB in the flat wide open waiting for short ball (check down) but Allen hangs back waiting for the intermediate or big play downfield. Can't believe I'm saying this but it is OK to check down once in a while. Keep 'em honest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 A perfectly thrown pass, you really can't defend. A pass that's off target by a few feet, can be easily defended unless the receiver is significantly physically/athletically superior to the defender(s). If you're not "confident" (there's other words that could be used here - desperate/foolish/etc) that you can place the ball perfectly, you don't throw it. If you've got other options, that's probably the prudent choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: And yet, these terrible coaches of ours have made it to the playoffs two out of the last three years and , at 6-2, are poised to make it three out of four. It is a mystery. Our coaches are average at best. Sure we don't suck. But no way are we dominating and putting fear into other teams around the league. We made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and did nothing when we got there. We are 6-2 w wins against the Jets (2) the 2020 Pats, Dolphins Rams and Raiders. And bad losses against the Titans and Chiefs. What's it say? At the midway point we are a good but flawed team in several areas. The second half schedule will tell us what kind of a team and coaching staff we have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 You beat the Cover 2 soft zone with passes to the seam, out patterns or in the Cover 2 beater zone downfield in between the CB and Safety. At some point, the safety is going to have to creep down to defend the run. When that happens the Bills should see mismatches on the outside again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Basically no John Brown coinciding with the 4 game stretch of offensive struggles. He didn’t look right today either. 2/4 games were absolutely trash weather conditions. And yes, teams are deliberately taking it away - up until last week (short passes) and today (run) we haven’t proven we are patient enough to make teams pay. Edited November 2, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilLions Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Because you have to hit the short and intermediate game too, once teams figured out our deep game we have been struggling. However today was a step in the right direction with the running game finally stepping up, a big part of that was Feliciano. Now the TEs need to step and the other WRs need to work on the short stuff, Beasley cant be the only one working the underneath game. +1... O-line has not been 100% and injuries in general. Watch out if/when team gets healthy again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Success said: Pretty windy today. If you look at the passing yards in games played from Chicago to Philly .. the numbers were all bad ... the wind was a huge factor for all those games. I love Drew Brees and Payton Manning .. but playing in a dome 8 games a year is a huge advantage to racking up yards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I'm not worried about the long ball. Once Knox and Brown are healthy they will be able to attack all levels of the defense. And if they have even a semblance of a running game that will bring in play action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: Well when other teams coaching staffs come up with a game plan and it doesn’t work they know how to switch it and change things up to make it work our coaching staff doesn’t know how to do this. It’s why we get out coached in the 2nd half of games. The last two weeks very much standout as far as halftime adjustments go so I disagree with this take entirely lol continuing to try to force the ball deep is exactly what opposing defenses want and are expecting us to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, BilLions said: +1... O-line has not been 100% and injuries in general. Watch out if/when team gets healthy again. Every team is injured right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Penfield45 said: Well when other teams coaching staffs come up with a game plan and it doesn’t work they know how to switch it and change things up to make it work our coaching staff doesn’t know how to do this. It’s why we get out coached in the 2nd half of games. 6-2 "fan". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 I mean lets take the Seahawks for example. They are not great at running the ball. Everyone knows Wilson is going bombs away but yet he still completes 2 or 3 every game even tho teams are trying to take it away. They have 2 very good WRs but what else do they really have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Because allen has not been good the last four weeks, it's just hard for people to admit. He was unbelievable before that, so hopefully he can get back on track. Seahawks provide a good opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: I just don't understand how teams can so easily take away the Bills deep passing game but fail to do it against all the other teams in the league who somehow still find ways to push the ball down the field regardless. Why do the Bills struggle so much when other teams don't seem to? The answer is largely that they don't, you just watch the Bills more than you watch other teams. We've seen defenses take deep passes away from teams a lot. team synthetic against Kansas City so much that Patrick mahomes is 20th and intended air yards per attempt. Russell Wilson's deep ball accuracy this year is a historical outlier, so the answer to the question is that Seattle has a historical outlier that no other team has Thanks to Advanced stats, we can actually analyze air yards now to actually see who's throwing the ball down the field the most. Would you look at the air yards per passing attempt, you largely got it mixed bag. Carson Wentz and Drew lock are the two guys that throw the deepest per attempt, and neither of them are good at it. Beyond that you have cousins Wilson Ryan Stafford Watson and Allen ranks 10th. But that tells you is that Buffalo is still taking their shots, and we saw that on a few drives in the Patriots game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Success said: Pretty windy today. Yeah - You can complete short passes in a windy game, but those deep shots are a lot trickier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 To this topic, it should be noted that since Week 4 Allen has attempted 46 passes of 20 yards or more and has completed just 18 passes with 4 INT. It’s among the worst in the league. So as much as people want to hang this on the coaches, I think you have to appropriately place blame. It seems that Allen and the rest of the offense is struggling now to throw with 6 or 7 players in coverage. My hope is that Allen learns how to do it. I think taking the short passes when necessary and the running game will definitely help. But the reason for the failure to push the ball downfield is largely attributed to Allen IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: I mean lets take the Seahawks for example. They are not great at running the ball. Everyone knows Wilson is going bombs away but yet he still completes 2 or 3 every game even tho teams are trying to take it away. They have 2 very good WRs but what else do they really have? He throws the best deep ball in the NFL. And he's insanely difficult to sack. Not to mention - while he had a sick fantasy stat line. 260 on 37 attempts and maybe 1 deep completion. Soo.... they did take away the deep ball and he beat them passing short, with ball security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, dneveu said: He throws the best deep ball in the NFL. And he's insanely difficult to sack. Not to mention - while he had a sick fantasy stat line. 260 on 37 attempts and maybe 1 deep completion. Soo.... they did take away the deep ball and he beat them passing short, with ball security. Wilson may be elusive but he isn't that difficult to sack. In fact, he led the league in sacks taken last year with 48 and the only full season he has been sacked less than 40 times has been his rookie year when he only got sacked 33 times. The season before last year he was sacked 51 times, so he had 99 sacks in 2 years. In fact, Wilson is historically one of the most sacked QB's of ALL TIME. In terms of active full time starters, only DeShaun Watson(9.25%) has been sacked more often percentage wise than Russell Wilson's 8.32%. In comparison, Josh Allen's sack percentage is 6.9% in his career, with a low of 4.5% this year. Wilson's lowest career sack percentage rate is 6.9%, which is this year. For reference, Rob Johnson's sack rate was 14.3% in his career. So clearly Wilson is not that hard to sack, as it happens more frequently than just about any QB in the NFL. Edited November 2, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Just now, matter2003 said: Wilson may be elusive but he isn't that difficult to sack. In fact, he led the league in sacks taken last year with 48 and the only full season he has been sacked less than 40 times has been his rookie year when he only got sacked 33 times. The season before last year he was sacked 51 times, so he had 99 sacks in 2 years. In fact, Wilson is historically one of the most sacked QB's of ALL TIME. In terms of active full time starters, only DeShaun Watson(9.25%) has been sacked more often percentage wise than Russell Wilson's 8.32%. In comparison, Josh Allen's sack percentage is 6.9% in his career, with a low of 4.5% this year. Wilson's lowest career sack percentage rate is 6.9%, which is this year. So clearly Wilson is not that hard to sack, as it happens more frequently than just about any QB in the NFL. Sure - but he buys time and is able to execute with deep balls when he does. But... when teams take away the deep stuff, he'll just execute the boring old short stuff as he did against SF. What'd he complete 1 deep pass in that game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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