Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Monday the weather was not good & can agree it did have an affect. When you see rain on the camera, you know it will be a factor. Sunday weather looks fine and yes it is the Jets, but the Bills need to get back to 300 yards passing and establish a running game. Yes pretty obvious, but important after the prior two weeks & the Pats coming up. So yes I want the Bills to bury the Jets, but hope they score some points so the Offense needs to produce & move the ball. I did a quick review as I have just been so down on the Bills Offense 2017-19 and note the Bills averaged 18.4 points/game (28th, 30th & 24th in the league over the 3 years) & 310 yards of offense a game. For context the league averaged 22.6 points/game and Mahomes in his two seasons 2018/19 averaged 303 passing. It's time for Bills fans to expect top 10, not mediocrity. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Chiefs certainly has no issues racking up huge yardage on offense in the “bad” weather. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Chiefs certainly has no issues racking up huge yardage on offense in the “bad” weather. Captain "dump off" had a good ground game aided by a bit of holding. 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Monday the weather was not good & can agree it did have an affect. When you see rain on the camera, you know it will be a factor. Sunday weather looks fine and yes it is the Jets, but the Bills need to get back to 300 yards passing and establish a running game. Yes pretty obvious, but important after the prior two weeks & the Pats coming up. So yes I want the Bills to bury the Jets, but hope they score some points so the Offense needs to produce & move the ball. I did a quick review as I have just been so down on the Bills Offense 2017-19 and note the Bills averaged 18.4 points/game (28th, 30th & 24th in the league over the 3 years) & 310 yards of offense a game. For context the league averaged 22.6 points/game and Mahomes in his two seasons 2018/19 averaged 303 passing. It's time for Bills fans to expect top 10, not mediocrity. I am pretty sure they would love to put up 50 on the Bi Planes. But they only need to win by one so just play a solid all around game and don't force it. Edited October 22, 2020 by JMF2006 solid has an O in it ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafi$ Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Yeah the whole “bad weather” bs don’t work. Brady would come in here and Carve buffalo time after time no matter what the weather was 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, BillsMafi$ said: Yeah the whole “bad weather” bs don’t work. Brady would come in here and Carve buffalo time after time no matter what the weather was Trying to give the Bills the benefit of the doubt Monday. Sure I can blame some on inaccuracy, some on drops, coaching, playcalling....... This is really an important week to score points & throw for 300+ yards (& Jets would need to wait 'til 2021 for the next meeting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Let's face it, defenses have learned that the way to play Allen is to sit in soft zones and make him be patient and give him no big plays. Daboll and Allen need an effective counter to that strategy. A solid running game would certainly help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 It doesn't matter what the Bills do against the Jets. It matters what they do against good D's. And so far during McDermott's tenure as HC, time and again this offense gets shut down. Period. Good teams will simply have their safeties deep against this Bills offense and they have trouble moving the ball. It's been proven time and again what I have just said and why should any of us have any confidence whatsoever that this team can walk into KC, Pittsburgh, Tennessee or Baltimore and score more than 17 points in a playoff game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I'll be concerned for sure if Allen only throws for 290 yards even if he has 3 TD's. It's just not 300.... who you tryna fool with that 290 bull****? 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 What does this Coaching staff do to address the putrid 3rd quarter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'll be concerned for sure if Allen only throws for 290 yards even if he has 3 TD's. It's just not 300.... who you tryna fool with that 290 bull****? 300 is the new 225..... I'll take 290 if it is through 3 quarters!!!!!😜 1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said: Let's face it, defenses have learned that the way to play Allen is to sit in soft zones and make him be patient and give him no big plays. Daboll and Allen need an effective counter to that strategy. A solid running game would certainly help. Other teams have figured it out and there is Allen's running ability too. Edited October 22, 2020 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 None of this matters if our defense can’t get off the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 you're just going to keep getting these every time you needlessly mention a 300 yard game: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: None of this matters if our defense can’t get off the field. Seattle's defense is just as bad but they are 5-0. They have allowed two teams to throw for over 400, two more for 300 & only the Vikings were under 300 (and they were trying to protect a lead and have a balanced offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Does anything they do against the Jets even matter? I mean ill be cheering along for the W but its not like it will matter if we "look good" against the jets... On second thought, we should all just be praying for that outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, teef said: you're just going to keep getting these every time you needlessly mention a 300 yard game: Keep 'em coming. I enjoy QB's throwing for 300 yards. Makes for the most part fun games. This game I do think 300 has meaning coming off the 2 losses. You go and watch that McD, 17-13 barnburner..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: Captain "dump off" had a good ground game aided by a bit of holding. I am pretty sure they would love to put up 50 on the Bi Planes. But they only need to win by one so just play a solid all around game and don't force it. man bills fans are truly delusional Mahomes could have thrown for 400+ if he wanted to. he had zero issues throwing the football. Allens problem wasn't the weather either, he was just inaccurate as he was in his first 2 seasons. thats nothing new, thats just who he is as a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 The OP should not be allowed to post. He last year indicated he'd rather have the Bills lose so long as they passed for over 300 yards. If you actively advocate for the Bills to lose I would suggest your posting rights should be suspended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The OP should not be allowed to post. He last year indicated he'd rather have the Bills lose so long as they passed for over 300 yards. If you actively advocate for the Bills to lose I would suggest your posting rights should be suspended. But what if it is against an NFC team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The OP should not be allowed to post. He last year indicated he'd rather have the Bills lose so long as they passed for over 300 yards. If you actively advocate for the Bills to lose I would suggest your posting rights should be suspended. Stop it & return to the 60's, where it seems you belong. I have said it plenty of times that watching the Bills was not particularly fun with the 30, 29 & 24th ranked offenses the past three year (and in the bottom half of the leaugue for 20 years). Knowing they couldn't/wouldn't throw for 300 with McD wanting to grind out 17-13 wins playing between the 20's and hoping his D would win a turnover battels was not a winning recipe and heck made for very boring football. Watch any other team with a .500 record those 3 season, and yes the Bills were a hard watch. I watch Football to get excited. I am a Bills fan and seldom watched a fun exciting football game 2017-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I look at it this way. The Bills are not quite as good as most of us thought they were and got their butts handed to them twice in a row by two of the very best teams in the AFC. Not good, but not a disaster. However, the Jests are just the patsies they need to get back on track. They need to dominate the Jests on both sides of the ball. Allowing the Jests to make this game close, even though divisional games often tend to be close even when teams are mismatched, would raise red flags about the team IMO. Losing to them would be a disaster and an embarrassment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: None of this matters if our defense can’t get off the field. If the defense can't get off the field against the Jests, the Bills are toast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 The Bills will try to force the run vs. NY to get it going, thereby shortening the game and leaving the Jets to hang around. It will be like what Kansas City did. The Bills had no business being within a TD midway through the 4th Qtr. While we would all like to run the ball more effectively, Buffalo cannot get overly conservative against the Jets. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: What does this Coaching staff do to address the putrid 3rd quarter? Have putrid 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters so the 3rd doesn't look as bad by comparison. It's such a crazy plan that it just might work (it wont) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: Keep 'em coming. I enjoy QB's throwing for 300 yards. Makes for the most part fun games. This game I do think 300 has meaning coming off the 2 losses. You go and watch that McD, 17-13 barnburner..... how do you think all of the cowboys fans felt about their losses before dak got hurt? i'm sure they were entertained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: Let's face it, defenses have learned that the way to play Allen is to sit in soft zones and make him be patient and give him no big plays. Daboll and Allen need an effective counter to that strategy. A solid running game would certainly help. Is that what you saw the chiefs do to allen? Sit in a soft zone and make him be patient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said: Let's face it, defenses have learned that the way to play Allen is to sit in soft zones and make him be patient and give him no big plays. Daboll and Allen need an effective counter to that strategy. A solid running game would certainly help. the other thing Allen could do is let coverage get deep then hit the dump off. If you watch, zones aren’t even covering the flats. Allen is the anti Trent. You can watch him go through his progressions and he sees the Check down, then is like eff that ... home run time! use the short pass as the running game since run blocking is struggling. Singletary might actually be more impactful catching and running dump offs vs handoffs 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Does anything they do against the Jets even matter? I mean ill be cheering along for the W but its not like it will matter if we "look good" against the jets... On second thought, we should all just be praying for that outcome. Just don’t get any injuries and stomp them out quickly. The Jets are the equivalent of a top 10 team playing Western Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 55 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: the other thing Allen could do is let coverage get deep then hit the dump off. If you watch, zones aren’t even covering the flats. Allen is the anti Trent. You can watch him go through his progressions and he sees the Check down, then is like eff that ... home run time! use the short pass as the running game since run blocking is struggling. Singletary might actually be more impactful catching and running dump offs vs handoffs A 1000 x this ^^^^^^^. Post of the day, imho. Tear a page out of Andy Reid's Iggle days playbook where Staley & McCoy earned their pass-catching stripes and basically used a West-Coast style short passing game as his primary running attack that was difficult to contain. If our oppo keys on that, voila, deep lanes back open with a QB who can hit them. Why can't we do this? Motor & Moss both have decent hands and think of how deadly Thurman was back in the day while leading the league in combined yards from scrimmage because he was a beast both ways. Back to Reid's model--here's a 2012 article from Barnwell reviewing his time in Philly, with some salient points: "But, oh, that passing game. It eventually became the subject of derision in Philly, as fans and media members alike groused that the Eagles simply didn’t run the ball enough. Graphics departments churned out misleading cause-and-effect charts noting that the Eagles were 373-1 if they would just run the ball 35 times per game (without realizing that the Eagles would exclusively run the ball that frequently in games where they were ahead and killing clock). In reality, though, Reid’s Eagles didn’t fail because they weren’t running the ball frequently enough. If anything, throwing the ball that frequently contributed to their success! Reid’s pass-heavy attack anticipated the coming shift to pass-happy offenses and shotgun-reliant attacks that showed up toward the end of the last decade. The league is throwing passes on 56.4 percent of their offensive plays this year, which represents the highest rate that’s shown up during Reid’s tenure in Philadelphia. That’s actually just below Reid’s average pass rate of 57.0 percent, but it’s not a sign that Reid threw too much. The simple facts are that passes produce more yardage than run plays do: The average first-and-10 pass in a 14-point-or-fewer game last year produced 8.0 yards per attempt, even after you consider all the incompletions. Run plays averaged a mere 4.5 yards per attempt. You don’t want to throw the ball on every single first down because the first figure is larger than the second one, but it’s also clear that the equilibrium between the two figures — the point at which both figures are maximized for the largest possible gain on first down by your team — has yet to be reached.3 In addition to creating more big plays, that allowed the Eagles to build their offense around an undervalued asset class, specifically the undersized pass-catching running back." (emphasis supplied). https://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-takes-all-andy-reid-haters/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 What of they score like 38 points but Josh only has like 260 yards passing? Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: What of they score like 38 points but Josh only has like 260 yards passing? Then what? Then it's prolly still been a good day, and Josh's yardage & points all came in the first half, and we never had to pass again in the 2nd . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Then it's prolly still been a good day, and Josh's yardage & points all came in the first half, and we never had to pass again in the 2nd . That's how a normal person feels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, SoTier said: I look at it this way. The Bills are not quite as good as most of us thought they were and got their butts handed to them twice in a row by two of the very best teams in the AFC. Not good, but not a disaster. However, the Jests are just the patsies they need to get back on track. They need to dominate the Jests on both sides of the ball. Allowing the Jests to make this game close, even though divisional games often tend to be close even when teams are mismatched, would raise red flags about the team IMO. Losing to them would be a disaster and an embarrassment. Yes, yes it would. Go BILLS!!! 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: the other thing Allen could do is let coverage get deep then hit the dump off. If you watch, zones aren’t even covering the flats. Allen is the anti Trent. You can watch him go through his progressions and he sees the Check down, then is like eff that ... home run time! use the short pass as the running game since run blocking is struggling. Singletary might actually be more impactful catching and running dump offs vs handoffs Very, very well put. Would be nice to see this strategy implemented...sadly proally won't happen but would be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 No win this week is going to provide any super bowl confidence. It's the Jets. The Bills have work to do in order to get to being a playoff contender (meaning has a chance to make a playoff run). It's going to take several weeks and possibly the entire season to get there. They need to do the following... -Shore up the Run D -Start running the ball -Figure out how to get a pass rush going, at minimum in game-critical situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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