ILBillsfan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Bills coaching staff must not agree with you because he was benched in favor of them This is good examples of the bad guard play by the Bills. And this has been going on for awhile this season and is a big issue in the run game... Hard to believe that what Spain offers isn't as adequate or needed especially with the injury to Ford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: I disagree. I believe that women prefer the softer core pornography with fancy stories and costumes that whisks them away to another place in time. Not going to fact check this one. Will trust your expertise. Edited October 21, 2020 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Cant they say no when his contract is guaranteed this year? What if another injury occurs this week? That's obviously a chance they're taking, but maybe they didn't want to expose the other guys to waivers and risk losing them, when clearly Spain didn't want to be here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Showed up out of shape and never really seemed bought in this year. Won an off-season award ostensibly for conditioning. Not sure what happened, but not a good look for the front office to go form a 3 year contract extension to releasing him 7 months in. 2 hours ago, BBills88 said: New O line for the Jets game. Dawkins, Bottler, Morse, Mongo, Williams Someone in the beer industry is starting at LG? I knew Buffalo needed help at guard, but not that much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I think Spain just wanted out and the Bills obliged. Something happened behind the scenes. ^^^^^^This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Cant they say no when his contract is guaranteed this year? What if another injury occurs this week? yeah i just don't get it. He's making money. He can pout, but what if someone gets hurt. And now we have almost no money to sign a guy off the street because of the dead cap hit this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Josh Allen is a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said: This is good examples of the bad guard play by the Bills. And this has been going on for awhile this season and is a big issue in the run game... Hard to believe that what Spain offers isn't as adequate or needed especially with the injury to Ford Hmmm...this can’t be right; I was told that I don’t know what I’m talking about regarding guard play when I said that the guards have been brutal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, High Football IQ said: When Spain goes to the Chiefs or another contender and looks better than Ford/Winters or plays like a borderline probowl level it's going to be interesting to see the comments on here. Also seems to be a lot of hype over a guy (Feliciano) who was not even as good as Spain was last year for this team and his return isn't going to change anything in the run game, pass blocking, etc. Could this be Spain himself? Go Bills!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 This is essentially the timeline: Bills re-sign Spain Bills name Spain starting LG Spain gets benched Spain throws a temper tantrum and asks to be released Bills release Spain /fin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, High Football IQ said: Calling it now, Spain will sign with the Chiefs given the glaring hole they have at the guard position (not that it mattered against the Bills though even though it was an issue in every other game for them this year). I could see Dallas in the equation as well with the injury Monday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The stars and moons aligned on this one. Spain fell in the pecking order, Mongo is coming back, so used what leverage he could to get out. We clearly have bigger issues than worrying about appeasing a disgruntled backup. No sense letting that cancer start to fester. Im sure Beane started making calls immediately after the foot soreness. That's the kind cancer that needs to get rooted out immediately, especially if his contract allows you to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Wyatt Teller would be our best o-lineman right now. Loved him in this movie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, BobChalmers said: OMG - Spain wasn't active!!! HE DID NOT PLAY. Now maybe he looked bad in practice? Im not singling out any certain individual player on the line.....the o line has been horrid in run blocking....now it could be dabols run scheme as i still think his running playbook is very bland and easy to read for defenses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Wyatt Teller would be our best o-lineman right now. No. No, he would not. 21 minutes ago, Locomark said: So clearing cap space ...when is the Vikings trade for defense coming ??? We aren't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said: This is essentially the timeline: Bills re-sign Spain Bills name Spain starting LG Spain gets benched Spain throws a temper tantrum and asks to be released Bills release Spain /fin riiight it’s always a “temper tantrum” by the player - no chance that the coaches and Spain sat down and had an adult discussion about his current and future role on the team. 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Clyde Smith said: Maybe Mongo is activated this week. 3 hours ago, Ggaenzle said: Feliciannnooo timmmmeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No. No, he would not. True - he did get hurt last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Beanes uses his words wisely and well. lets move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Addition by subtraction!? Spain signed a 3/$15M deal...kinda odd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, fergie's ire said: Yeah, one consistency we have seen from McBeane is that they have no patience for malcontents....even if they did just sign the guy to an extension. Exactly. And I couldn't be happier about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: <br /> OK, that's plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Occam's razor, nothing more to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Antonio said: Wow, something happend that we don´t know yet. This offseason he was given a new contract, he started the season as the no. 1 LG for us, then inactive (I don´t buy that injury) and now this. This. Reminds me a lot of how the Dareus issue was handled, all behind the scenes and kept close the the vest. Turned out there were very real issues and it made sense to move on, but of course we all kind of want to know what happened - we love the dirty laundry. This to me is part of the culture change that McBeane is trying to create. One that even if players screw up OR if there are irreconcilable differences, they are not going to go out of their way to leak stories or sour the waters. Players can move on and find another team to play for. If you think about it, it is a much better and professional lens for the organization going from the way Russ and Whaley ran things. They may as well have employed news paper folks in OBD with how many leaks there were in the ship. It fostered the view of a very unprofessional and Jerry Springer-like organization in chaos. Either way, I wish Spain well... he was a Buffalo Bill and helped get us into playoff contention last year. Edited October 21, 2020 by WideNine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I liked Spain, but his career is very dubious. Undrafted out of WVU when he clearly had draft able talent. Then has a really nice run with the Titans who have zero interest in re-signing him. Goes to UFA and its crickets for him and he signs a pretty modest deal with us. Resigns here, with pretty much no competition for his services, and now this. Just a really weird run that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Good luck to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The question is, why release him with Ford out? Is he refusing to play for the team now and that's why he had to do it now to activate Feliciano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: yeah i just don't get it. He's making money. He can pout, but what if someone gets hurt. And now we have almost no money to sign a guy off the street because of the dead cap hit this year. The dead cap hit is almost identical to the cap hit if we keep him - we get about $250,000. So no impact on cap. Per Overthecap, his base salary wasn't fully guaranteed - $1.6 out of $2.25M fully guaranteed. Depending on how the contract was written, if he catches on somewhere else, the Bills may get some or all of that back. He also had $31,250 of per-game Roster bonuses he may not have been getting if inactive, and that we don't have to pay - $312,500. So $562,500 of savings I think, even if he sits all year. Is Spain looking to go back to the Titans with Taylor Lewan on season-ending IR? Yes, yes, I know Lewan is the LT and Q is a guard... but the Titans have Roger Saffold playing LG, who started in the NFL as a LT with the Rams. Is it possible they might feel moving Saffold to LT and putting Spain next to him would be a better line than starting their swing tackle backup Ty Sambrallo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The question is, why release him with Ford out? Is he refusing to play for the team now and that's why he had to do it now to activate Feliciano? I'm leaning towards he wanted out and the Bills didn't want a distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: True - he did get hurt last week We play a different blocking scheme. Teller was not a good fit here. Teller is more suited for his current team's OL scheme. Therefore, Teller playing well for another team with a different scheme does not indicate that he would be our best OL playing here in our blocking scheme. Why is this hard? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The question is, why release him with Ford out? Is he refusing to play for the team now and that's why he had to do it now to activate Feliciano? Seems like from the other comments that he kind of checked himself out with a foot injury this week. On a positive note, I think they really like Ike Boettger. Maybe he’s ready to assume more responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Seems like from the other comments that he kind of checked himself out with a foot injury this week. On a positive note, I think they really like Ike Boettger. Maybe he’s ready to assume more responsibility. They Like Ike? Edited October 21, 2020 by msw2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, msw2112 said: They Like Ike? are you really that old ? but the Kid has been on the team long enough to think he is thought well of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: are you really that old ? but the Kid has been on the team long enough to think he is thought well of Nope - Ike died before I was born, but I'm fond of the saying. If Boettger can develop and become a contributor or starter, perhaps the saying will have a rejuvenation among Bills fans! Note the Bills colors in the button.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Nope - Ike died before I was born, but I'm fond of the saying. If Boettger can develop and become a contributor or starter, perhaps the saying will have a rejuvenation among Bills fans! Note the Bills colors in the button.... Ike is a good name for an OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Seems like from the other comments that he kind of checked himself out with a foot injury this week. On a positive note, I think they really like Ike Boettger. Maybe he’s ready to assume more responsibility. I hope you are right about Boettger... seems he has been here a while now but never seems good enough to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think Spain is and has been a better guard than Cody Ford has been... Ford was only out there because he was a high pick.. McBeane was ashamed to admit that they blew a high pick on a below average guard, a player they traded up for nonetheless... then they traded Wyatt Teller for a bag of footballs and he’s been an elite guard for the Browns.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Nope - Ike died before I was born, but I'm fond of the saying. If Boettger can develop and become a contributor or starter, perhaps the saying will have a rejuvenation among Bills fans! Note the Bills colors in the button.... I too like Ike. now if we start chanting "Tippy Canoe and Tyler too" at games " i will become concerned Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I hope you are right about Boettger... seems he has been here a while now but never seems good enough to play I think the fact that they kept him over Teller and Spencer Long is meaningful. Also, when they released Ike briefly a couple of years ago, he was quickly scooped up by KC. I think people around the league like his potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Not a precedent to set. When the going gets tough, pout about and you'll get released. I know there's two sides and no one really knows what's going on, but how the hell do we release a guy like this after signing a 3 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think he's trying to quote Phil Collins. Beanie Siegel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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