Week 7: Bills at Jets

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

The Bills will beat the Jets easily! Mark my words! Then they will beat the Pats to get to 6-2. 

I like our odds to win both too. Patriots are always scary but without Brady I think we have a much better chance. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[RobbRiddick]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

is Frank Gore their feature back now?!?

 

Good chance for him to catch Emmitt...

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Stank_Nasty]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

oh lord, i hope we get good Josh Allen. Gannon can be brutal on the qb's. I remember our last london game he held nothing back when breaking down manuel or bortles that day. I was laughing at how brutally honest he was.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Flacco has looked way worse though. 

I didn't say it was a smart move 😄

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

This team is terrible. They will probably give the Jets their only win. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid. 

 

 

The Jets probably arent going 0-16, which means even at 1-15 they're beating someone.  Why not Buffalo?

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bangarang]

Bojo becoming one of the best punters just like I expected. Never doubted him

[MJS]

35 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Bojo becoming one of the best punters just like I expected. Never doubted him

He does well on the long ones. He needs to work on the shorter ones to pin teams deep.

 

And obviously the holding for kicks has been a big issue.

 

But I'm not too worried about him punting, which is nice.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

35 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Bojo becoming one of the best punters just like I expected. Never doubted him

LOL I know. Yeah seems like he heard our criticism from Week 5 and earlier, that had to have been the best game of his career (sadly we sort of wasted it). 

 

I hope he can keep it going, but his issue has always been consistency (punting and holding!!). The Bills always knew he had the leg to boom 72 yard punts and that's why I think they've stuck with him through thick and thin. Hopefully he can use this past game to turn it all around. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, stevewin said:

This game worries me - because Greggo and cheap shots and late hits.

 

Dont think you can take any team for granted in the NFL, but wondering if because it's the Jets that might factor into keeping Milano out another week and letting guys like Brown heal up.  Maybe they could also sit Edmunds for his shoulder and at the same time see if the defense gets better 😛

 

IMHO....we need to go balls to the wall to win this.  If we get a strong lead then we can think about pulling some guys

 

If the Bills sat Milano and White and Brown vs Tennessee because we wanted them for the Chiefs and made a calculated choice that we didn't need to go balls to the wall to take Tennessee, then that decision backfired

 

What would really suck is to make a similar "looking past them" decision against the Jets and then lose.

 

If our best guys can play, they should play.

[RiotAct]

speaking of Bojo, how was his hold on that bad miss by Bass at the end of the first half?  I automatically assumed the hold had something to do with it... 😂

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

speaking of Bojo, how was his hold on that bad miss by Bass at the end of the first half?  I automatically assumed the hold had something to do with it... 😂

Laces out was what I read but didn’t confirm 

Edited October 20, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[billsherd]

Bills should win this but I just need to see Allen play well again. Some accurate throws and hitting receivers in stride.  

[stevewin]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

IMHO....we need to go balls to the wall to win this.  If we get a strong lead then we can think about pulling some guys

 

If the Bills sat Milano and White and Brown vs Tennessee because we wanted them for the Chiefs and made a calculated choice that we didn't need to go balls to the wall to take Tennessee, then that decision backfired

 

What would really suck is to make a similar "looking past them" decision against the Jets and then lose.

 

If our best guys can play, they should play.

Well it's also still the question at what % effectiveness will they be if they play and still hampered by injury.  Don't think Brown has been very effective last games playing hurt.  Also factor in risk of pushing coming back and aggravating injury, then being unavailable/inneffective for games going into future vs healing and being able to contribute at normal level of effectiveness going forward in season.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, billsherd said:

Bills should win this but I just need to see Allen play well again. Some accurate throws and hitting receivers in stride.  

 

If you just want to see "some accurate throws" what was wrong with the ones he made last night?

 

10 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Well it's also still the question at what % effectiveness will they be if they play and still hampered by injury.  Don't think Brown has been very effective last games playing hurt.  Also factor in risk of pushing coming back and aggravating injury, then being unavailable/inneffective for games going into future vs healing and being able to contribute at normal level of effectiveness going forward in season.

 

I probably wasn't sufficiently clear.  If a player is at risk of worse injury or is still seriously hampered, Sit Him.

But don't sit an injured player who can go because "it's only the jets" and "we need them more for NE".

 

If that's what we did re: Tenn it bit us on the buttocks, Hard.

 

Of course what "still seriously hampered" means is a judgement call

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you just want to see "some accurate throws" what was wrong with the ones he made last night?

 

He had way too many inaccurate throws last night. Two bad ones to start off, a bad missed TD pass on the opening drive, and a brutal drive killer to Beasley on their first drive in the third (and man, he has to play better in the third quarter). I know you said the one that should have gone to Singletary was a smart throwaway because he would have taken a sack in the past, but ... Singletary was wide open and it was a pretty easy throw. I expect he'll play a lot better against the Jets.

[billsherd]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you just want to see "some accurate throws" what was wrong with the ones he made last night?

 

I am talking about when he was 5 of 15 with 25 yards or something.  Josh hasn't been any where close to what he has been first 4 games. 

[smuvtalker]

8 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

Good lord.  Unfortunately, it seems that the Bills are turning into the sort of team that plays to the level of their opponent, unless it's a good opponent, then we roll over like docile puppies.

 

12.5 is a huge spread in a professional football game. 

Gotta say I agree with you in that the Bills have at times played down to the level of their competition.  Under McDermott I would say not so much, but yesterday's loss has stolen quite a bit of my confidence in this team away.  

 

I am and have always been a glass half-full guy, and I was one who predicted the Bills would smoke the Titans, and then comfortably beat the Chiefs.  This crow doesn't taste good at all, mainly because of how we were beaten.  Hardly anyone thought we would lose to the Titans, yet they not only beat us, they destroyed us.  And then yesterday,  a day that I thought the D would be angry, have some pride and come out fired up, they let a rookie RB, playing without TWO STARTERS on the offensive line, rush for 671 yards.  And while you could make the argument that the D held Mahomes (relatively) in check, he didn’t need to sling it when they were at one point in the night averaging 8 YPC...8 YARDS PER CARRY??  ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME??

 

Please forgive the yelling and cursing..  We don't remotely deserve to be 12.5 point favorites.  As bad as the Jets have been, this game by no means feels to me like a money-in-the-bank type W.  And to be honest, I don't like the fact we might be facing Flacco.  We've been famous in the past for making players who were way past their prime suddenly look like new, refreshed players.  I'm praying that I'm wrong on all counts.  I do expect us to win this game.  But I don't know which team is going to show up.  

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Wow.  Who'd they piss off?  

 

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Bojo becoming one of the best punters just like I expected. Never doubted him

 

Sounds like we need to bump the Dump Bojo thread(s) 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Josh Allen,

 

Shave (what you call) the beard!!!   

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

 

The Jets probably arent going 0-16, which means even at 1-15 they're beating someone.  Why not Buffalo?

 

 

 

Looking at their schedule, they're going 0-16 and Trevor Lawrence is staying at Clemson. 

[jpschwartz]

Get a W, don't care by how many points. Stay healthy, but show good improvement on stopping the run.

[Motor26]

Jets fans would be more upset with a win than Bills fans would be with a loss. 

[CincyBillsFan]

37 minutes ago, billsherd said:

I am talking about when he was 5 of 15 with 25 yards or something.  Josh hasn't been any where close to what he has been first 4 games. 

 

I suspect a good part of this is due to the 10 - 1 record of our opponents the last 2 weeks and to the possibility that the NFL has learned we can't run the football and our TE's represent no viable threat downfield. Especially when Knox is out.

 

Last night BOTH defensive schemes and the weather largely took out the high octane passing attacks of both teams. So that means you better be able to lean on your running game and short passing attack. Last night when you look at the production for our RB/TE's versus the Chiefs a disturbing pattern develops:

 

Chiefs RB production =  35 carries for 204 yards & 1 TD

Bills RB production = 15 carries for 42yards

 

Chiefs TE & RB receiving production = 11 catches for 90 yards & 2 TD's

Bills TE & RB receiving production = 2 catches for 20 yards

 

Total production for the Chiefs = 46 touches for 294 yards& 3 TD's

Total production for the Bills = 17 touches for 62 yards & no TD's

 

You can blame this lack of production on Allen if you want and some will.  But I prefer to believe my lying eyes which tell me we don't have the horses at RB or TE to do what KC did last night.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

Yes the Jets suck, yes Darnold is likely out or at least hobbled. But all the pressure is on the Bills.  After the past 2 games and how much the Jets suck, anything short of a crushing will be largely looked at as a failure by the Bills.  A lot of eyes will be on the Bills, and so far when the spotlight has been on them ...

Maybe but if we squeak a win out all will be forgotten if we beat the Patriots.  Just win the damn game and don't suffer any crippling injuries.

[CincyBillsFan]

50 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He had way too many inaccurate throws last night. Two bad ones to start off, a bad missed TD pass on the opening drive, and a brutal drive killer to Beasley on their first drive in the third (and man, he has to play better in the third quarter). I know you said the one that should have gone to Singletary was a smart throwaway because he would have taken a sack in the past, but ... Singletary was wide open and it was a pretty easy throw. I expect he'll play a lot better against the Jets.

 

First off Allen attempted 3 long passes last night.  He was badly off on one but the other two were perfectly placed balls with Diggs dropping one at the back of the end zone and Brown having the ball knocked away by a great defensive play by the KC DB.  I'll take accurately throwing 2 out of 3 deep balls all day long.

 

Sure Allen started off badly with back to back poor throws.  Then on 3rd & 10 he escaped a fierce pass rush to make a great throw for a first down that brown dropped. Drops happen but to call out Allen's first 2 bad throws and not mention his great 3rd throw is an example of the often biased discussions of his performance on TBD.

 

And to call the missed throw to Singleterry an "easy throw" is just plain wrong IMO.  Allen was running for his life.  Under that level of pressure there are no easy throws.  And as others have mentioned Allen may have been thinking that Singleterry was going to run to the end zone there. 

 

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

First off Allen attempted 3 long passes last night.  He was badly off on one but the other two were perfectly placed balls with Diggs dropping one at the back of the end zone and Brown having the ball knocked away by a great defensive play by the KC DB.  I'll take accurately throwing 2 out of 3 deep balls all day long.

 

Sure Allen started off badly with back to back poor throws.  Then on 3rd & 10 he escaped a fierce pass rush to make a great throw for a first down that brown dropped. Drops happen but to call out Allen's first 2 bad throws and not mention his great 3rd throw is an example of the often biased discussions of his performance on TBD.

 

And to call the missed throw to Singleterry an "easy throw" is just plain wrong IMO.  Allen was running for his life.  Under that level of pressure there are no easy throws.  And as others have mentioned Allen may have been thinking that Singleterry was going to run to the end zone there. 

 

 

 

 

He has to be more accurate, and while those other two deep throws were on the money, both receivers were well covered. He missed the open guy. I love Allen, but last night was not a good night for him. It's the worst he as played in a while, at least with regard to throwing. 

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

He has to be more accurate, and while those other two deep throws were on the money, both receivers were well covered. He missed the open guy. I love Allen, but last night was not a good night for him. It's the worst he as played in a while, at least with regard to throwing. 

 

Fair enough. 

 

The Diggs throw though should have been a TD and it would have been on every Allen season highlight film.  That ball dropped right into Diggs hands over the DB and he got both knees down at the back of the end zone. That throw and the accurate toss to Brown off the flea flicker were passes that Allen could not make in 2018 and 2019. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

He had way too many inaccurate throws last night. Two bad ones to start off, a bad missed TD pass on the opening drive, and a brutal drive killer to Beasley on their first drive in the third (and man, he has to play better in the third quarter). I know you said the one that should have gone to Singletary was a smart throwaway because he would have taken a sack in the past, but ... Singletary was wide open and it was a pretty easy throw. I expect he'll play a lot better against the Jets.

 

I can't argue with the point that Josh had inaccurate throws, and while there were drops, ball placement may have contributed.

 

My point to the post I was responding to is that "I just want to see some accurate throws and hitting receivers in stride" isn't really what we (or he) wants to see.  There were some excellent throws last night.  It's not enough.  We want to see better accuracy across the board and better completion percentage from the start, and no "unforced errors" where he has time and an open receiver and misses the throw

[billsherd]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I suspect a good part of this is due to the 10 - 1 record of our opponents the last 2 weeks and to the possibility that the NFL has learned we can't run the football and our TE's represent no viable threat downfield. Especially when Knox is out.

 

Last night BOTH defensive schemes and the weather largely took out the high octane passing attacks of both teams. So that means you better be able to lean on your running game and short passing attack. Last night when you look at the production for our RB/TE's versus the Chiefs a disturbing pattern develops:

 

Chiefs RB production =  35 carries for 204 yards & 1 TD

Bills RB production = 15 carries for 42yards

 

Chiefs TE & RB receiving production = 11 catches for 90 yards & 2 TD's

Bills TE & RB receiving production = 2 catches for 20 yards

 

Total production for the Chiefs = 46 touches for 294 yards& 3 TD's

Total production for the Bills = 17 touches for 62 yards & no TD's

 

You can blame this lack of production on Allen if you want and some will.  But I prefer to believe my lying eyes which tell me we don't have the horses at RB or TE to do what KC did last night.

 

 

I agree it's not all on Allen, but he missed few easy completions.  There was one play on third down Beasley has the CB beat by a step or two but Allen threw it low and ahead of him. First couple throws to start the game not sure what happened there. Those first two throws should have been practiced during the week.  Mahomes was lot more efficient compared to Allen when the game was on the line. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, billsherd said:

I agree it's not all on Allen, but he missed few easy completions.  There was one play on third down Beasley has the CB beat by a step or two but Allen threw it low and ahead of him. First couple throws to start the game not sure what happened there. Those first two throws should have been practiced during the week.  Mahomes was lot more efficient compared to Allen when the game was on the line. 

 

As in a lot of games....there were a handful of plays that turned the game.  In this case, they weren't interceptions, they were throws that were poor or dropped.

 

I wonder if the Bills practice with water-soaked footballs during the week, when we're going to be playing in wet weather?

[Rick 'r Mortis]

8 hours ago, TheProcess said:

We need a slump buster, “get right” game. Bring on the Jets. 

I'd like to see the Bills run up the score. Put up 40+.

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, billsherd said:

I agree it's not all on Allen, but he missed few easy completions.  There was one play on third down Beasley has the CB beat by a step or two but Allen threw it low and ahead of him. First couple throws to start the game not sure what happened there. Those first two throws should have been practiced during the week.  Mahomes was lot more efficient compared to Allen when the game was on the line. 

 

But Mahomes also missed some easy passes last night. Twice he badly missed a wide open Kelce that would have gone for huge yardage and maybe even a TD on the 2nd miss. The first one was over Kelsey's head and on the 2nd one Kelsey made a spectacular catch.  Mahomes also threw a ball that should have been picked by Norman and his fumble to kick off the 3rd quarter should have been recovered by the Bills.  The damn ball sat on the ground for 5 seconds as the Bill's D-linemen danced with the KC blockers.

 

 

[smuvtalker]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If you just want to see "some accurate throws" what was wrong with the ones he made last night?

 

 

I probably wasn't sufficiently clear.  If a player is at risk of worse injury or is still seriously hampered, Sit Him.

But don't sit an injured player who can go because "it's only the jets" and "we need them more for NE".

 

If that's what we did re: Tenn it bit us on the buttocks, Hard.

 

Of course what "still seriously hampered" means is a judgement call

This 100%.  I wouldn't at all be shocked to find out McDermott sat a few players that probably could've well played vs Tennessee but he, along with 97% of the population thought we would cruise past Tennessee with an easy W....Let me say I have no clue as to the extent of any of our players injuries, I was simply speculating.  

 

If they're healthy enough to go suit up.  We need all hands on deck.  I do think we'll win this, but no sense at all in sitting someone because its a game we THINK should be a W.   "It's hard to win in the NFL."

Edited October 20, 2020 by smuvtalker

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

He had way too many inaccurate throws last night. Two bad ones to start off, a bad missed TD pass on the opening drive, and a brutal drive killer to Beasley on their first drive in the third (and man, he has to play better in the third quarter). I know you said the one that should have gone to Singletary was a smart throwaway because he would have taken a sack in the past, but ... Singletary was wide open and it was a pretty easy throw. I expect he'll play a lot better against the Jets.

 

He was very accurate in the first 5 games at all levels of the field so I have to think the shoulder injury is affecting him. I don't know how else to explain such a severe regression. I'm worried it will linger and this is just who he'll be the rest of the season but I don't know enough about AC joint sprains to say for sure.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

But Mahomes also missed some easy passes last night. Twice he badly missed a wide open Kelce that would have gone for huge yardage and maybe even a TD on the 2nd miss. The first one was over Kelsey's head and on the 2nd one Kelsey made a spectacular catch.  Mahomes also threw a ball that should have been picked by Norman and his fumble to kick off the 3rd quarter should have been recovered by the Bills.  The damn ball sat on the ground for 5 seconds as the Bill's D-linemen danced with the KC blockers.

 

And again - if we recover that fumble, if Kelce misses that catch, etc - different ball game.

 

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

He was very accurate in the first 5 games at all levels of the field so I have to think the shoulder injury is affecting him. I don't know how else to explain such a severe regression. I'm worried it will linger and this is just who he'll be the rest of the season but I don't know enough about AC joint sprains to say for sure.

 

I believe the shoulder is affecting him also.  It appeared he was favoring the L arm from time to time - hooking the L hand into the handwarmer not in "I need to stay warm fashion" but "I need support", not lifting the L arm.  I think I saw a coach approach him on the bench after that series and Allen shook his head vehemently - I wondered at the time if he was asked if he needed to come out.

 

But I think the bigger issue with the fall-off in technique is 1) he's been made to feel more pressure the last 2 weeks 2) he's been using more brain-cycles to decode the zone defense and see who is open.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And again - if we recover that fumble, if Kelce misses that catch, etc.

 

In a weird way that's why I'm not as down after these last 2 losses as I thought I would be. I understand that coulda, woulda, shoulda is ultimately a losing game.  But in previous years you really couldn't say with a straight face that had a couple of things bounced differently the result would have been different. The Bills mostly sucked over the last 2 decades.

 

I takes a good team to be in games where 2 or 3 different bounces of the ball would have made all the difference in the outcome. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]