E.J. Manuel article

[Ray Finkel]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Something something Hospitality tent

 

Yeah, his coaching staff and the talent around him did him no favors.  Yes, if he'd been allowed to sit and learn the game behind Kolb for a year (as was the plan) and if he'd been placed behind a capable OL instead of one forced into disarray by stubborn square peg shoving, and with WR experienced in the offense, he could probably have played better.

 

On the other hand....even playing behind a crap OL with no run game and bargain-basement or checked-out WR, we could see competitive fire and leadership from Josh we never saw from EJ.  And athleticism.

 

Methinks that Manuel is getting a bit revisionist in his perceptions, seeing all the great dual-threat QB currently in the league and dreaming of what might have been.

 

 

Some truth to this

He had Wood and Watkins as his receivers.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Pretty feeble explanation.excuse on the past of EJ imo, not a shock to me at all he fizzled out. Looking to blame others and the circumstances and then claim other teams saw him as a bust because it is a "copy cat league", pretty pitiful to be honest.

[Putin]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think that's full of hyperbole bro

 

There's not FSU fan who won't admit EJ Manuel had a good senior season. he also won you guys like two orange bowls

 

And had like 68% completion his senior year with over two to one touchdown interception ratio

 

Was he a superstar? No, but the dude was one of the better college quarterbacks in FBS that year

Please , How many games have you actually watched him play at FSU ??

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Putin said:

Please , How many games have you actually watched him play at FSU ??

I watched him play at fsu a bunch. I'm a football scout all I do i watch football

 

He was a draftable qb. Not the first round , but the 4-5th absolutely

 

A not good QB doenst even start at a program like fsu. There are around 120+ D1 starters. You couldn't name 25 better than EJ Manuel that year

 

That alone doesn't make him bad. He wasn't a good pro but he absolutely was a solid college qb. Joe burrow did nothing for 4 years too

 

You're comparing him to a Heisman trophy winner in jameis who had a even more stacked team than EJ

 

Fans calling any division 1 athlete is funny, because they are all supremely talented. Let alone one who is an NFL draftee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Buffalo716

[flaz]

Net worth of 5.5 mil and a good job he loves, with espn. Good for him.

 

[Putin]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I watched him play at fsu a bunch. I'm a football scout all I do i watch football

 

He was a draftable qb. Not the first round , but the 4-5th absolutely

 

A not good QB doenst even start at a program like fsu. There are around 120+ D1 starters. You couldn't name 25 better than EJ Manuel that year

 

That alone doesn't make him bad. He wasn't a good pro but he absolutely was a solid college qb. Joe burrow did nothing for 4 years too

 

You're comparing him to a Heisman trophy winner in jameis who had a even more stacked team than EJ

 

Fans calling any division 1 athlete is funny, because they are all supremely talented. Let alone one who is an NFL draftee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yah still haven’t forgotten ( I believe) was his last game against the Gators ... 

Again a kid out of high school took the same team and WON A CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!!

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

Yah still haven’t forgotten ( I believe) was his last game against the Gators ... 

Again a kid out of high school took the same team and WON A CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!!

James Winston is a better quarterback. And he was a full year removed from high school

[TheBrownBear]

EJ sucked.  Just like Losman and Trent before him.  End of story.

[Charles Romes]

As an odd historical footnote he was one of a long line of Bills starters this century who found their way to the Raiders organization after finishing in Buffalo. Johnson, Losman, Edwards, Manuel, Peterman. Going back to the days of Lamonica both organizations have loved the big arm but that does not explain Edwards or Peterman. 

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

James Winston is a better quarterback. And he was a full year removed from high school

We were lucky that it was EJ’s final year at FSU if not Winston ends up in Alabama and we would have NEVER won Championship that year 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Putin said:

We were lucky that it was EJ’s final year at FSU if not Winston ends up in Alabama and we would have NEVER won Championship that year 

FSau won because they had the best recruits in the country at that period WITH the #1 overall pick QB and Heisman winner

 

They probably don't win without anybody but Jameis... Last play of game td to kb..

 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, flaz said:

Net worth of 5.5 mil and a good job he loves, with espn. Good for him.

 

Sounds pretty awesome.   

[Scott7975]

Coming back too soon from injury didn't derail his career.  His lack of learning derailed his career.  He never got better.  I would actually say he got worse as time went on.  Nice guy but unlike what Whaley said... he just didn't have that IT factor.  You could say Marone coaching did him no favors but he went to another team and was still the same guy.

Edited October 17, 2020 by Scott7975

[hurfldurf]

I think EJ was a victim of a negative narrative more so than bad play. He was given 14 starts before he was benched. That seems extremely short for a first round pick. Compare his stats in those 14 games to Josh Allen's first 14 games:

 

Passing:

Player	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	Yds/Att.	TD	Int.	Sacks	Yards Lost
EJ Manuel	256	437	58.6%	2810	6.4	16	12	34	-203
Josh Allen	229	408	56.1%	2750	6.7	13	15	30	-227

 

Rushing:

Player	Att.	Yards	Avg. Rush	TD	Fumb.	Fumb. Lost
EJ Manuel	69	238	3.4	3	7	3
Josh Allen	111	710	6.4	10	12	4

 

Player	Record
EJ Manuel	6-8
Josh Allen	8-6

 

Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

*Disclaimer: I ❤️ Josh Allen, just thought EJ got a raw deal here and never got a real chance to grow and succeed.

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by hurfldurf

[prissythecat]

25 minutes ago, hurfldurf said:

I think EJ was a victim of a negative narrative more so than bad play. He was given 14 starts before he was benched. That seems extremely short for a first round pick. Compare his stats in those 14 games to Josh Allen's first 14 games:

 

Passing:

Player	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	Yds/Att.	TD	Int.	Sacks	Yards Lost
EJ Manuel	256	437	58.6%	2810	6.4	16	12	34	-203
Josh Allen	229	408	56.1%	2750	6.7	13	15	30	-227

 

Rushing:

Player	Att.	Yards	Avg. Rush	TD	Fumb.	Fumb. Lost
EJ Manuel	69	238	3.4	3	7	3
Josh Allen	111	710	6.4	10	12	4

 

Player	Record
EJ Manuel	6-8
Josh Allen	8-6

 

Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

*Disclaimer: I ❤️ Josh Allen, just thought EJ got a raw deal here and never got a real chance to grow and succeed.

 

Looking at the game tape is what tells a different story .  Also EJ got another chance with the Raiders and couldn’t even stay on the roster for a no 2 or 3 spot. 

[Beach]

EJ keeps up the excuses.  especially locally.  sorry dude but its over.

[Malazan]

I maintain the same position in regards to QBs as always. Regardless of circumstances, surrounding talent, coaching, etc...eventually you have to perform. EJ did not. The league is littered with QBs who if everything around them is perfect can be really good. The great ones make everything around them good. 

 

Seriously, you could have had Adam Gase as the coach of Peyton Manning and it wouldn't matter. Manning would have been great. 

Edited October 17, 2020 by jeremy2020

[Rocky Landing]

6 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Gruden was the one who cut EJ after EJ had that one particularly disastrous preseason game with the Raiders.

 

6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Oh wow. I guess I stand corrected. Can't believe he still loves Peterman so much though. I got to give it to Peterman he's really good in practice and pre-season.

You can talk about talent

            And who has more of it

                        It’s enough to make your head throb

                                    He can blame who he wants

                                                Or just stand above it

                                                            But it’s Late Nate who still has a job.

                                                                        Peterman

[Jay_Fixit]

He just wasn’t good. It’s that simple.

[BillsShredder83]

8 hours ago, BBills88 said:

He was a developmental QB for sure.

Yeah Marone & staff did not do him any justice. 

Chan? I don't think he was around for Marrone? Man that all seems like ancient history. Repressed memories for sure

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

51 minutes ago, hurfldurf said:

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Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

 

 

Comparing their rookie years Allen was still better by a landslide when you consider how dominant he was with his legs. Throw in Allen's massive potential and EJ's lack there of and it's of course obvious why Allen was given a full second year. 

 

So I do think the huge difference in rushing as well as Allen's arm talent alone were enough to give Allen more time.

 

At least EJ didn't get the Josh Rosen treatment.

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, hurfldurf said:

I think EJ was a victim of a negative narrative more so than bad play. He was given 14 starts before he was benched. That seems extremely short for a first round pick. Compare his stats in those 14 games to Josh Allen's first 14 games:

 

Passing:

Player	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	Yds/Att.	TD	Int.	Sacks	Yards Lost
EJ Manuel	256	437	58.6%	2810	6.4	16	12	34	-203
Josh Allen	229	408	56.1%	2750	6.7	13	15	30	-227

 

Rushing:

Player	Att.	Yards	Avg. Rush	TD	Fumb.	Fumb. Lost
EJ Manuel	69	238	3.4	3	7	3
Josh Allen	111	710	6.4	10	12	4

 

Player	Record
EJ Manuel	6-8
Josh Allen	8-6

 

Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

*Disclaimer: I ❤️ Josh Allen, just thought EJ got a raw deal here and never got a real chance to grow and succeed.

 

 

Its not just about stats.  When you look at the two on the field... even as rookies you can see a big difference.  One guy was a gamer and a leader on the field.  The other guy just went through the motions.  Also you bring up the turnover difference but not the scoring difference.

Edited October 17, 2020 by Scott7975

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, hurfldurf said:

I think EJ was a victim of a negative narrative more so than bad play. He was given 14 starts before he was benched. That seems extremely short for a first round pick. Compare his stats in those 14 games to Josh Allen's first 14 games:

 

Passing:

Player	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	Yds/Att.	TD	Int.	Sacks	Yards Lost
EJ Manuel	256	437	58.6%	2810	6.4	16	12	34	-203
Josh Allen	229	408	56.1%	2750	6.7	13	15	30	-227

 

Rushing:

Player	Att.	Yards	Avg. Rush	TD	Fumb.	Fumb. Lost
EJ Manuel	69	238	3.4	3	7	3
Josh Allen	111	710	6.4	10	12	4

 

Player	Record
EJ Manuel	6-8
Josh Allen	8-6

 

Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

*Disclaimer: I ❤️ Josh Allen, just thought EJ got a raw deal here and never got a real chance to grow and succeed.

 

No one looked at Josh’s stats and thought they were great. Josh put a ton of positive plays on the tape. EJ did not.

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think that's full of hyperbole bro

 

There's not FSU fan who won't admit EJ Manuel had a good senior season. he also won you guys like two orange bowls

 

And had like 68% completion his senior year with over two to one touchdown interception ratio

 

Was he a superstar? No, but the dude was one of the better college quarterbacks in FBS that year

EJ had a decent season with a stacked team. How many NFLers were on that 2012 FSU team? 

 

 

[MJS]

That's what he tells himself for sure, but he isn't that good of a quarterback. That's his real problem.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, hurfldurf said:

I think EJ was a victim of a negative narrative more so than bad play. He was given 14 starts before he was benched. That seems extremely short for a first round pick. Compare his stats in those 14 games to Josh Allen's first 14 games:

 

Passing:

Player	Comp.	Att.	Comp. %	Yards	Yds/Att.	TD	Int.	Sacks	Yards Lost
EJ Manuel	256	437	58.6%	2810	6.4	16	12	34	-203
Josh Allen	229	408	56.1%	2750	6.7	13	15	30	-227

 

Rushing:

Player	Att.	Yards	Avg. Rush	TD	Fumb.	Fumb. Lost
EJ Manuel	69	238	3.4	3	7	3
Josh Allen	111	710	6.4	10	12	4

 

Player	Record
EJ Manuel	6-8
Josh Allen	8-6

 

Passing wise it's wild how similar they are, and I might give EJ the edge there. Josh is obviously the better rusher, but he had 19 turnovers to EJ's 15. 

 

Is the difference in rushing and 2 more wins enough of a difference to anoint one guy a savior and the other a complete bust?

 

 

*Disclaimer: I ❤️ Josh Allen, just thought EJ got a raw deal here and never got a real chance to grow and succeed.

 

 

Did Manuel have a single elite play in his time at QB? His most memorable play was the game winner against Carolina to a wide open Stevie Johnson. He occasionally showed flashes of being mediocre. You can't compare that to Allen's rookie season.

Edited October 17, 2020 by HappyDays

[soflabillsfan1]

Are there still EJ defenders?  I, and every other FSU fan I know knew he wasn't going to be a good pro QB.  He was a decent college QB but he looked much better on paper than he did during the heat of the battle.  He squandered a lot of talent at FSU too.  Kelvin Benjamin had 4 Td's in a season with EJ and had 15 the next year with Jamies.  Apparently EJ is a big cry baby now, including blaming racism for his lack of success in the NFL.

[Buffalo716]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

EJ had a decent season with a stacked team. How many NFLers were on that 2012 FSU team? 

 

 

Manuel was an all acc 2nd team qb

 

Help the team win 12 games for just the third time in it's historic history

 

25-6 as starter , including fsu's first BCS bowl win since 2000

 

And prior to Winston , was the leader of FSUs most prolific offense in program history

 

Was also MVP of senior bowl iirc

 

He was more than decent in College. He did what fsu asked very well and the results were W's

 

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Manuel was an all acc 2nd team qb

 

Help the team win 12 games for just the third time in it's historic history

 

25-6 as starter , including fsu's first BCS bowl win since 2000

 

And prior to Winston , was the leader of FSUs most prolific offense in program history

 

Was also MVP of senior bowl iirc

 

He was more than decent in College. He did what fsu asked very well

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-state/2012-roster.html

 

He did fine, because he had as close to an NFL roster as you can get in college. The next season, they played like it and won the Natty because they had a real QB. 23 TD's passing in college is not impressive.

 

EJ also had 460 rushing yards on 200 carries in his last 2 seasons. He's delusional about his dual threat ability.

[soflabillsfan1]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Manuel was an all acc 2nd team qb

 

Help the team win 12 games for just the third time in it's historic history

 

25-6 as starter , including fsu's first BCS bowl win since 2000

 

And prior to Winston , was the leader of FSUs most prolific offense in program history

 

Was also MVP of senior bowl iirc

 

He was more than decent in College. He did what fsu asked very well

Most prolific offense in FSU history?  Ward in 1993, and Weinke in 2000 disagree with you.  EJ throwing 23 TDs and 10 ints is not the most prolific offense in FSU history.

[YoloinOhio]

He is reaching 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-state/2012-roster.html

 

He did fine, because he had as close to an NFL roster as you can get in college. The next season, they played like it and won the Natty because they had a real QB. 23 TD's passing in college is not impressive.

 

EJ also had 460 rushing yards on 200 carries in his last 2 seasons. He's delusional about his dual threat ability.

Fans overreact about how good and bad players are. I just scout football players I don't care about where they go to school or allegiances

 

EJ Manuel was not a good pro quarterback. He had a better college career than 95% of every college quarterback that ever lived

 

The dude won a BCS game at Florida State and made an all ACC team. Jameis Winston being better has no bearing on if EJ was good or not in college

 

Jameis Winston is just a superior quarterback

 

Every single division one athlete with a scholarship has enough talent to go to the NFL if they go get the right coaching and playing the right system

 

And EJ had a better career than 95% of them. Objectively I can say EJ Manuel was a pretty good college quarterback

[McBean]

He sucked in college.

 

He sucked in the NFL.

 

Nothing else to say.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Fans overreact about how good and bad players are. I just scout football players I don't care about where they go to school or allegiances

 

EJ Manuel was not a good pro quarterback. He had a better college career than 95% of every college quarterback that ever lived

 

The dude won a BCS game at Florida State and made an all ACC team. Jameis Winston being better has no bearing on if EJ was good or not in college

 

Jameis Winston is just a superior quarterback

 

Every single division one athlete with a scholarship has enough talent to go to the NFL if they go get the right coaching and playing the right system

 

And EJ had a better career than 95% of them. Objectively I can say EJ Manuel was a pretty good college quarterback

EJ had a better team than 95% of them.

 

AJ McCarron had a better career than EJ Manuel, he won a Natty! He must be one of the best college QB's of all time.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Most prolific offense in FSU history?  Ward in 1993, and Weinke in 2000 disagree with you.  EJ throwing 23 TDs and 10 ints is not the most prolific offense in FSU history.

Ward and weinkes squads in those years did not have more offensive yards than EJ Manuels squad

 

Ward didn't throw for as many yards but a few more TDs

 

Manual sits fourth all time in yards and like eighth all time in touchdown at fsu

 

The dude didn't become an NFL superstar, and he wasn't a college Superstar, but he absolutely was a solid college player

 

Apparently if you're not an all American you're not solid lol EJ could has started for well over 80% of division 1 schools

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

EJ had a better team than 95% of them.

 

AJ McCarron had a better career than EJ Manuel, he won a Natty! He must be one of the best college QB's of all time.

AJ McCarron was a very good college quarterback. Nobody ever said he was the best but he was very good in college

 

Collage and pros is a completely different game

Edited October 18, 2020 by Buffalo716

[prissythecat]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Manuel was an all acc 2nd team qb

 

Help the team win 12 games for just the third time in it's historic history

 

25-6 as starter , including fsu's first BCS bowl win since 2000

 

And prior to Winston , was the leader of FSUs most prolific offense in program history

 

Was also MVP of senior bowl iirc

 

He was more than decent in College. He did what fsu asked very well and the results were W's

 

 

 

QBs don't win games.  Teams do.   I believe the point most people here are trying to make is that EJ benefited immensely from being on a stacked team.  He did not carry FSU on his shoulders.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, prissythecat said:

 

QBs don't win games.  Teams do.   I believe the point most people here are trying to make is that EJ benefited immensely from being on a stacked team.  He did not carry FSU on his shoulders.

I don't think I ever once said he didn't play on a stacked squad. He did, and he absolutely benefited from it

 

But you can only play with who you play with, and Florida state had the best recruiting classes in the country at that time, and guess who rose to the top of the depth chart at quarterback for that stacked program

 

EJ Manuel

 

He absolutely deserves credit for winning the job and helping lead his team to victories

[soflabillsfan1]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ward and weinkes squads did not have more offensive yards than EJ Manuels squad

 

Ward didn't throw for as many yards but a few more TDs

 

Manual sits fourth all time in yards and like eighth all time in touchdown at fsu

 

The dude didn't become an NFL superstar, and he wasn't a college Superstar, but he absolutely was a solid college player

 

EJ had an extra game.  Ward in 1993 and Weinke in 2000 both dusted EJ's squad in yards per game. No one would ever say the 2012 squad up until that point was FSU most prolific offense.  Total nonsense.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, soflabillsfan1 said:

EJ had an extra game.  Ward in 1993 and Weinke in 2000 both dusted EJ's squad in yards per game. No one would ever say the 2012 squad up until that point was FSU most prolific offense.  Total nonsense.

Listen people were saying EJ Manuel was a trash quarterback in college

 

I'm just here to say that is objectively far from the truth

 

Trash quarterback wouldn't climb to the top of the depth chart at Florida State while they had some of the top recruiting classes in the country

 

A trash quarterback would get buried on the depth chart and then transfer to UConn

 

 

[soflabillsfan1]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Listen people were saying EJ Manuel was a trash quarterback in college

 

I'm just here to say that is objectively far from the truth

 

Trash quarterback wouldn't climb to the top of the depth chart at Florida State while they had some of the top recruiting classes in the country

 

A trash quarterback would get buried on the depth chart and then transfer to UConn

 

 

He definitely wasn't trash.  I'll agree with you on that.