corta765 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Enough of enough with the defense. I get injuries happen and they were playing short handed. But the overall scope of this season the defense has been an embarrassment and a shell of last year. They look lost regularly, unprepared, and their situational football is atrocious. The amount of 3rd and longs all season that keep being converted is unreal. Right now the Bills are behind KC TEN BAL NE PIT in terms of ranking in conference. All of those teams have defenses that will do better and unless Allen and the offense is literally perfect game in game out we’re toast against the big boys. Fire Frazier let McD take back play calling and send a firm message to the defense this isn’t good enough. I truly don’t believe anything else will send a strong enough message they don’t have the leaders like Zo or Kyle to get these guys in line. 4 1 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 This belongs in the hot takes thread 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Historically when the Defense plays this bad, it will be reported that Frazier is the play caller and McD will quietly take it back over. Things then straighten back out. I think losing Zo has had a negative impact on Edmunds, is it possible Zo was a sort of player/coach to Edmunds who was constantly tutoring and helping him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Well this is stupid. 7 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Not going to happen. 0.0% chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Historically when the Defense plays this bad, it will be reported that Frazier is the play caller and McD will quietly take it back over. Things then straighten back out. I think losing Zo has had a negative impact on Edmunds, is it possible Zo was a sort of player/coach to Edmunds who was constantly tutoring and helping him? That's happened once in four years where it was reported that McDermott took play calling duties for the rest of the game The next week Frazier was back Edited October 14, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 You mean McDermott? Too bad we extended him before some more info was gathered. Not how we roll in Buffalo though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Chemical said: You mean McDermott? Too bad we extended him before some more info was gathered. Not how we roll in Buffalo though You should never post again, ever. Take the OP with you 6 2 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust You bring up good points, but I think He’s definitely part of the problem. For example. 3rd and 19 and you play press coverage without your top 2 corners and give up a first down? Inexcusable on Frazier’s part Edited October 14, 2020 by BillsFan130 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Not gonna happen IMO. What can be done to fix this defense or what can we bring in to help is my question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Dablitzkrieg said: You should never post again, ever. Take the OP with you I’ll consider your suggestion. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 This is McD’s defense, Frazier just runs it and calls the plays. We’ve seen McD pull play calling from Frazier in the past. We haven’t seen it yet this season. This is a baseless hot take/over reaction until that happens. I say that as a dude who has been pretty critical of a bunch of their moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yeah let’s blame the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, ChanticleerBillsFan said: Not gonna happen IMO. What can be done to fix this defense or what can we bring in to help is my question? Score 60 points a game. Honestly this D is terrible and will likely derail our season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Do we think the defense was concerned Tannehill could’ve been exposed to COVID because nobody broke 6 foot protocol. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Mango said: This is McD’s defense, Frazier just runs it and calls the plays. We’ve seen McD pull play calling from Frazier in the past. We haven’t seen it yet this season. This is a baseless hot take/over reaction until that happens. I say that as a dude who has been pretty critical of a bunch of their moves. That is true. But Frazier does call the plays. And they seem very vanilla/predictable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: I’ll consider your suggestion. Thanks. Consider it more than you are. You would do everyone a favor 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: You bring up good points, but I definitely think He’s definitely part of the problem. For example. 3rd and 19 and you play press coverage without your top 2 corners and give up a first down? Inexcusable ok Frazier’s part To be honest our zone defense has been getting picked apart all season Sometimes you need to rely on your guys jamming wide receivers and disrupting there route Press coverage is the easiest skill for an NFL corner, and you have to believe your defensive line will get home within 15 yards The book is out how to attack McDermott's defense in all situations. They're going to need to rescheme some things McDermott's MO for 4 years has been press coverage on 3rd down and long, not just tonight Edited October 14, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 So we’re gonna fire the coach when we’re 4-1 and had top defenses the last couple years? 😂😂 Y’all are such drama queens. Wah wah wah 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust McD's scheme depends on having that huge space-pig (as my brother likes to call them) to tie up blockers an allow the rest of the line and linebackers to penetrate more freely and make plays. That helps the secondary. When Star opted out, that impacted the scheme and the individual players severely. Would Edmunds and Oliver have regressed this badly if Star were playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Corta has had a couple beers tonight .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust It's a point. Here's a question: the Bills last year were known for confusing and deceptive pass coverage. Have they abandoned that, or has it been solved? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, BillsFan130 said: That is true. But Frazier does call the plays. And they seem very vanilla/predictable. you seem to have totally ignored the “McD has pulled play calling from Frazier in the past. We haven’t seen it yet this season” part of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust Are we running the same scheme as the last few years? Seems like we’re playing a lot more man. The defense overall just looks lost and are thinking way too much. If it was just a couple players ok but it’s all of them. We haven’t had any answers for it in 5 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I dont think you can coach losing star... yeah I said it. Jordan Howard and Shaq. Especially without suitable replacements. Its a numbers game BUT if this goes on again next year you may be right. Im not sure McDermott didnt have a hand in the plays called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: You mean McDermott? Too bad we extended him before some more info was gathered. Not how we roll in Buffalo though Takes like this are why I left this board in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Corta has had a couple six packs of beers tonight .. FIFY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Frazier isn't the problem McDermotts scheme has been figured out. McDermott needs to adjust his scheme with Frazier Teams know what the bills run on first second and third down, this is the fourth year of the defense on tape. They both need to adjust McDermott just said on the press conference that we have to get there with our front four. Why other teams rush more than four, If it’s not working then change your scheme Seems like the head coach is hardheaded Playing that vanilla defense Seems like we always give up a field goal or a touchdown before the half! That’s horrible defense it doesn’t prevent anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: To be honest our zone defense has been getting picked apart all season Sometimes you need to rely on your guys jamming wide receivers and disrupting there route Press coverage is the easiest skill for an NFL corner, and you have to believe your defensive line will get home within 15 yards The book is out how to attack McDermott's defense in all situations. They're going to need to rescheme some things McDermott's MO for 4 years has been press coverage on 3rd down and long, not just tonight Those are fair points and I appreciate your response. Something has definitely got to change as it’s ugly right now. 1 minute ago, Mango said: you seem to have totally ignored the “McD has pulled play calling from Frazier in the past. We haven’t seen it yet this season” part of my post. Ah Sorry bud I did miss that. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a point. Here's a question: the Bills last year were known for confusing and deceptive pass coverage. Have they abandoned that, or has it been solved? both IMO. They seem to rest their laurels on scheme and players are not making plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a point. Here's a question: the Bills last year were known for confusing and deceptive pass coverage. Have they abandoned that, or has it been solved? It's been solved. McDermott has bluffed cover two shells on first down while playing cover 3 for 4 years. He will also bluff a cover three shell and go to quarters If I know he does that 70% of the time other NFL coaches do He also either press man's, or goes quarter coverage on third down majority of the time. Teams have figured out his tendencies and are now using them against him On third down it's easy to see if he's in press man or a cover 4 look and you can audible to the appropriate play call 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: FIFY four and I stopped drinking and went to Mountain Dew. Just really think the defense needs a sizable shake up, coordinators change across the league a bunch it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a point. Here's a question: the Bills last year were known for confusing and deceptive pass coverage. Have they abandoned that, or has it been solved? Great question/point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, corta765 said: Enough of enough with the defense. I get injuries happen and they were playing short handed. But the overall scope of this season the defense has been an embarrassment and a shell of last year. They look lost regularly, unprepared, and their situational football is atrocious. The amount of 3rd and longs all season that keep being converted is unreal. Right now the Bills are behind KC TEN BAL NE PIT in terms of ranking in conference. All of those teams have defenses that will do better and unless Allen and the offense is literally perfect game in game out we’re toast against the big boys. Fire Frazier let McD take back play calling and send a firm message to the defense this isn’t good enough. I truly don’t believe anything else will send a strong enough message they don’t have the leaders like Zo or Kyle to get these guys in line. FWIW, people before the game were predicting 150 yds for Henry. He gained 58. All the big runs belonged to Tannehill. I believe this is the second week that Frazier basically kind of sold out to stop the run. That depends on the DB being able to hold up in coverage, but without Tre we couldn't. Just as Josh Allen was pressing his passes, our D was pressing - all the pre-snap penalties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, corta765 said: Fire Frazier let McD take back play calling and send a firm message to the defense this isn’t good enough. I truly don’t believe anything else will send a strong enough message they don’t have the leaders like Zo or Kyle to get these guys in line. So you're saying Leslie isn't going to get one of the head coaching gigs this offseason? I've heard that a few times nationally and had to laugh. After tonight, Daboll isn't looking so hot either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I think this is a little extreme but I do think they need to be a little less clappy and composed and maybe light a fire under their butts if they haven't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: It's been solved. McDermott has bluffed cover two shells on first down while playing cover 3 for 4 years. He will also bluff a cover three shell and go to quarters If I know he does that 70% of the time other NFL coaches do He also either press man's, or goes quarter coverage on third down majority of the time. Teams have figured out his tendencies and are now using them against him On third down it's easy to see if he's in press man or a cover 4 look and you can audible to the appropriate play call Hmmm, sounds like you ought to drop him a note. Only 1/2 kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It's been solved. McDermott has bluffed cover two shells on first down while playing cover 3 for 4 years. He will also bluff a cover three shell and go to quarters If I know he does that 70% of the time other NFL coaches do He also either press man's, or goes quarter coverage on third down majority of the time. Teams have figured out his tendencies and are now using them against him On third down it's easy to see if he's in press man or a cover 4 look and you can audible to the appropriate play call That’s great analysis, thanks buddy👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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