Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Ghost_002! said: Not saying you...but I hate when fans act like that...hating cause another player gets hype or gets overly hype..like its the media's job to sell stars. IMO "Like Jackson eat" he is no where as bad as fans act. Can't argue with that...people also probably predicted lamar wouldn't be good because he can't throw so theyre rooting for that to be proven...kind of like the thing we hate that other fans do to us regarding josh allen 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 https://sports.yahoo.com/ravens-lose-to-patriots-and-are-taking-steps-backward-especially-in-greg-romans-offense-041510579.html Déjà vu Ravens lose to Patriots and are taking steps backward, especially in Greg Roman's offense. The Ravens had a lot coming back, added a few more key pieces, and it looked like this could be their year. Instead, they’ve already exceeded last season’s loss total. If there’s a hard-earned championship coming, the Ravens are going to have to get a lot better before January. Baltimore looked bad on Sunday night against a New England Patriots team that is having its worst season since 2000. Jackson, the MVP last season, is nowhere near that award this season. The Ravens hung around because the Patriots aren’t equipped to blow a good team out, but they still lost 23-17. The Ravens aren’t bad, but they’ve taken a step back. cont'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 What happened to that Ravens defense? I forgot they added Ngakoue until my son mentioned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Doc said: What happened to that Ravens defense? I forgot they added Ngakoue until my son mentioned it. they lost talent and on paper replaced some of them. apparently not well enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: they lost talent and on paper replaced some of them. apparently not well enough. Looking at the list of players they lost, there was no one special. And they added Pro Bowlers Campbell and Ngakoue. Everyone thought they'd dominate when they got Campbell for just a 5th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I really think we can beat the Ravens in a playoff game Our schedule might have been easier last year.....but our team is better then year and on pace for a better record. I do feel we need to get our running game going so we can chew up clock at times we need to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I think the hate was sort of created by the glowing praise he received last year...every player has flaws and makes mistakes but to hear announcers and analysts talk about mahomes and Jackson like they are some kind of divine beings got pretty old 🤣 Kinda like what they are doing with Murray this year. I'm sure Tua will be next if the Phins keep winning, even though he hasn't been stellar. And not to make excuses for anyone, but that game was played in a raging monsoon last night. Newton wasn't great, NE just had the better running game. Edited November 17, 2020 by Bubba Gump 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Kinda like what they are doing with Murray this year. I'm sure Tua will be next if the Phins keep winning, even though he hasn't been stellar. And not to make excuses for anyone, but that game was played in a raging monsoon last night. Newton wasn't great, NE just had the better running game. Exactly...lamar is still a great player he just can't reach the impossibly high bar that was set for him by the talking heads...that level of play last season as never going to continue its nothing against him. It honestly could be Greg Roman at fault I dont think we watch enough ravens game film on this board to be able to have any idea what's going on 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Doc said: Looking at the list of players they lost, there was no one special. And they added Pro Bowlers Campbell and Ngakoue. Everyone thought they'd dominate when they got Campbell for just a 5th rounder. Isn't Calais Campbell injured? I thought they mentioned it last night...how much the Ravens D misses him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Just now, jkeerie said: Isn't Calais Campbell injured? I thought they mentioned it last night...how much the Ravens D misses him. That could explain it somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: That could explain it somewhat. Yes...he sustained a calf injury in the Colts game and will be out multiple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: Looking at the list of players they lost, there was no one special. And they added Pro Bowlers Campbell and Ngakoue. Everyone thought they'd dominate when they got Campbell for just a 5th rounder. from what I recall from local reports they lost good talent. It may also include losses dating back to last season 26 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Exactly...lamar is still a great player he just can't reach the impossibly high bar that was set for him by the talking heads...that level of play last season as never going to continue its nothing against him. It honestly could be Greg Roman at fault I dont think we watch enough ravens game film on this board to be able to have any idea what's going on 🤣 as was mentioned History repeating itself. look at SF, Buffalo and now Balto success followed by humdrum football. his “complex” playbook is still predictable because the QB is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Jackson excuser? Ravens' offensive backslide is not due to defenses figuring them out: Here are the real reasons why Baltimore's system hasn't been figured out despite what many have suggested https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-offensive-backslide-is-not-due-to-defenses-figuring-them-out-heres-the-real-reasons-why/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Jackson excuser? Ravens' offensive backslide is not due to defenses figuring them out: Here are the real reasons why Baltimore's system hasn't been figured out despite what many have suggested https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-offensive-backslide-is-not-due-to-defenses-figuring-them-out-heres-the-real-reasons-why/ The Ravens run most of the same core concepts as a lot of other NFL teams, just from different formations and with other bells and whistles they can attach because their quarterback has some skills no other player in the league (outside of perhaps Kyler Murray) possesses. kiss of death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: The Ravens run most of the same core concepts as a lot of other NFL teams, just from different formations and with other bells and whistles they can attach because their quarterback has some skills no other player in the league (outside of perhaps Kyler Murray) possesses. kiss of death I'm not sure the author is right about that "same core concepts" thing. The reason I'm not sure he's right about that is because that's not what I hear Leslie Frazier and some of our players saying about it. Nevertheless, what I take from the article: 1) significant downgrade on the OL both for pass and for run blocking 2) more pressure on Jackson 3) drop-off in the completion % for his long ball I tend to think there may still be an element of "figured out" to it, in that with a whole season on tape, DCs can see how to shade the coverage to his strengths, and Jackson hasn't yet figured out how to level up his game to take advantage of what they're freeing up It's far from "the end of an Era" but it might be true that last year's coronation of Lamar Jackson as headed straight for the HOF may have been premature 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I tend to think there may still be an element of "figured out" to it, in that with a whole season on tape, DCs can see how to shade the coverage to his strengths, and Jackson hasn't yet figured out how to level up his game to take advantage of what they're freeing up In playoffs it was stated by team playing Ravens "We watched on how Bills defended against Lemar Jackson/Ravens and adjusted scheme accordingly." That is certainly "figuring it out". I am not saying all teams had talent to adjust or even Bills will change of personnel, loss of personnel and injuries this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 I never knew we were in it. You gotta win a playoff game to be taken seriously as a team and a franchise Qb. Its the Mahomes era in reality. Lets see if Buffalo can play spoiler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 4:37 PM, John from Riverside said: I really think we can beat the Ravens in a playoff game Our schedule might have been easier last year.....but our team is better then year and on pace for a better record. I do feel we need to get our running game going so we can chew up clock at times we need to. Oh, I totally agree, especially if it’s a home playoff game. We almost beat them last year. And while the Ravens are still good, like you mentioned, the Bills are better this year than they were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: Oh, I totally agree, especially if it’s a home playoff game. We almost beat them last year. And while the Ravens are still good, like you mentioned, the Bills are better this year than they were last year. Offense: Definitely better Defense: Definitely worse but improving. Defense's weaknesses are Raven's strength - Defending against run, seam and long ball ST: Definitely better and definitely worse - varies week to week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Offense: Definitely better Defense: Definitely worse but improving. Defense's weaknesses are Raven's strength - Defending against run, seam and long ball ST: Definitely better and definitely worse - varies week to week Good breakdown, bro. I’d still say we’re a better team this year over last year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not sure the author is right about that "same core concepts" thing. The reason I'm not sure he's right about that is because that's not what I hear Leslie Frazier and some of our players saying about it. Nevertheless, what I take from the article: 1) significant downgrade on the OL both for pass and for run blocking 2) more pressure on Jackson 3) drop-off in the completion % for his long ball I tend to think there may still be an element of "figured out" to it, in that with a whole season on tape, DCs can see how to shade the coverage to his strengths, and Jackson hasn't yet figured out how to level up his game to take advantage of what they're freeing up It's far from "the end of an Era" but it might be true that last year's coronation of Lamar Jackson as headed straight for the HOF may have been premature What my biggest issue is, is the instant coronations. These people need to prove it just like Josh has. Romans offense is said to be complicated, yet when you have a limited passer it’s easier to contain. Just like TT when he had to pass for more than 30 times a game he was 5 w and 20 l. (Not exact # but that bad) At least Kyler is a QB. Edited November 22, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: What my biggest issue is, is the instant coronations. These people need to prove it just like Josh has. Romans offense is said to be complicated, yet when you have a limited passer it’s easier to contain. Just like TT when he had to pass for more than 30 times a game he was 5 w and 20 l. (Not exact # but that bad) At least Kyler is a QB. Why bring up Kyler with hacks like Lamar and Tyrod ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not sure the author is right about that "same core concepts" thing. The reason I'm not sure he's right about that is because that's not what I hear Leslie Frazier and some of our players saying about it. Nevertheless, what I take from the article: 1) significant downgrade on the OL both for pass and for run blocking 2) more pressure on Jackson 3) drop-off in the completion % for his long ball I tend to think there may still be an element of "figured out" to it, in that with a whole season on tape, DCs can see how to shade the coverage to his strengths, and Jackson hasn't yet figured out how to level up his game to take advantage of what they're freeing up It's far from "the end of an Era" but it might be true that last year's coronation of Lamar Jackson as headed straight for the HOF may have been premature Yea the offensive line has struggled in the interior (not unlike our own here.... until Stanley went down they had been good on the outside struggled inside). I think the other big change is how many teams are now playing zone against them. Last year New England tried to man up on the backend to give them a free man to try and spy Jackson (they tried to use Duron Harmon as the dime in that role some as I recall). This year they learned from what other teams have had success with and mainly played zone. Keep all eyes on Lamar and don't worry about him converting the some runs for first downs. Make sure he isn't escaping from you on big runs by making one guy miss. Lamar had 55 yards and 4 runs for first downs last week. But they don't hurt you. He will run and get some in every game because of the athlete he is. What you have to do is make sure he doesn't beat you running by breaking the big one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Has an NFL MVP fallen so fast so quick. He's an okay QB at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: Has an NFL MVP fallen so fast so quick. He's an okay QB at best. He's not Taysom Hill... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: He's not Taysom Hill... I will say it right here.... Taysom will not win the MVP..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will say it right here.... Taysom will not win the MVP..... You may have missed the sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Has an NFL MVP fallen so fast so quick. He's an okay QB at best. I remember a MVP RB being a JAG after MVP season. Oh Jackson is NOT a RB? not sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: You may have missed the sarcasm You missed the sarcasm in my post???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 9:10 AM, Halloween Land said: Yeah the buzz will be about Allen vs Mahomes instead of Jackson vs Mahomes. Jackson is just an average thrower with limitations. And many of those limitations are a lack of offensive threats other than himself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, Adam said: And many of those limitations are a lack of offensive threats other than himself he has the same players as he had last season who did the Cravens lose on offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: he has the same players as he had last season who did the Cravens lose on offense? Who did they really have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Adam said: Who did they really have? come on. He was crowned MVP and a winner with the same crew that is what happens when you crown someone too soon. he’s not an elite QB and he may never be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Adam said: Who did they really have? Why would the ravens even bother paying good WRs on the outside? The guy can’t throw out there. Might as well put 4 TEs in the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) I think we're seeing why Greg Roman has never been a head coach even with being OC on multiple successful teams. He's not a true X and O guy. Edited November 23, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Has an NFL MVP fallen so fast so quick. He's an okay QB at best. Jackson is dependent on having an excellent offensive line. Every QB needs at least a decent one, mind you, but Jackson and the playbook Roman has built around Jackson is dependent on excellent OL play. They’ve been decimated by retirements and injuries. I think the ravens are cooked this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: he has the same players as he had last season who did the Cravens lose on offense? They traded Hayden Hurst to the Falcons and pretty sure lost others on the Oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: come on. He was crowned MVP and a winner with the same crew that is what happens when you crown someone too soon. he’s not an elite QB and he may never be He earned his MVP award. Im not sure why you go out of your way to diminish what he did. Its an award. It has to be given to someone. He had an MVP type season. Get over it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) Lamar Jackson career tds: 74 Josh Allen career tds: 74 One of these guys was THE entire League’s MVP just last year, and last year the other guy was mostly considered by many to be marginal NFL QB, at best. Not many in the general football population would guess that it was this close, don’t ya think? Edited November 23, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Lamar is a scat back wearing a quarterback jersey number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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