The End of the Lamar Jackson Era

[TheElectricCompany]

RE: Cam...it's a good debate. He's still writing his story, but I think he's already in the best dual threat conversation, mainly due to his red zone performance.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by TheElectricCompany

[Mango]

Bills fans: “We have to be patient with our young QB” 

 

Also Bills Fans after one Lamar Jackson game: “ His career is over”

[eball]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Was Warren Moon really duel threat? I'm not sure he belongs in that company. Before my time but based on what I have seen and read Steve Young was more duel threat than Warren Moon. Moon could scramble a bit but he was a thrower from the pocket. 

 

Completely agree.  Never viewed Moon as a running threat.  Dude was a pure passer and threw a beautiful ball.

 

Edit:  just looked it up.  Moon averaged just a bit over 150 yards rushing per season and his high was 268 yards.  He only broke 200 three times in his NFL career.  His career YPA?  3.2

 

Yeah, a real "dual threat."

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by eball

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

I think there’s some truth to that, but I think it’s questionable what long time is. Is it 1 year until he gets an injury and loses half a step? Or is it 5 years when his running slows down and he can’t make it up with his arm.

 

That’s the problem with Lamar. He has one pitch (his running) and unless that’s working to keep the defense scared and open everything else up, he can’t thrive. Now, that could change for sure, but that’s where we’re at right now.

 

Well injuries are injuries...that can derail anyone at any time.  Im just talking from a talent perspective.  

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Maybe. I thought Jackson's body language and demeanor was pretty poor last night in the second half. I don't think I've seen similar from Josh Allen.

In the Texans playoff game Allen seemed to distance himself from his teamates a little more then I would have liked when the going got tough. I think Its important for Allen to remember how much the whole team looks up to him and for very good reason. Josh Allen is fearless on the football field.

 

Great thing about Allen to go along with all the God given talents though is he's smart. I'm not posting anything he doesn't already know and is way ahead of me.

 

The going around on the sidelies this season pumping teamates up.   On the field heroics. 

 

MERCY!!! 

 

 

[BUFFALOTONE]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Was Warren Moon really duel threat? I'm not sure he belongs in that company. Before my time but based on what I have seen and read Steve Young was more duel threat than Warren Moon. Moon could scramble a bit but he was a thrower from the pocket. 

Funny I was going to put Young in there as well

[GoBills808]

Jackson will be fine, but he's going to continue to have games like this until he learns to make all the throws.

[eball]

12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This thread is like PFFs takes on Josh Allen.

 

Its one game where he struggled badly. Dudes been a beast otherwise. Some people just want their take on Jackson to be true so after one awful game the "I told you!" takes are out in full display. 

 

Scott, I think most fans have given Lamar his due for what he did in 2018 and 2019, while at the same time acknowledging that he is not a polished passer and reasonably questioning whether the Ravens' style will continue to dominate opposing defenses.  In two of their last four meaningful games Lamar has not been good.

[Figster]

21 minutes ago, Mango said:

Bills fans: “We have to be patient with our young QB” 

 

Also Bills Fans after one Lamar Jackson game: “ His career is over”

While Jacksons career is far from over it does appear more and more the Buffalo Bills drafted the best QB in the 2018 draft.

[whatdrought]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well injuries are injuries...that can derail anyone at any time.  Im just talking from a talent perspective.  

Right, I get that and I’m not going to say he will or won’t get injured. I’m saying eventually, either because of injury or because of age/natural slow down, he’s going to lose a step. When he does, his whole game is at risk because it’s all built on that inhuman speed and elusiveness. 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

2 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

I think Bills fans have an aversion in general to over hyped players, not just this one in particular.

 

Jackson has done much better than I expected overall, but I would agree with those that say the jury is still out.  Yes, he's going to be very effective against the teams that can't contain his running. Yes, he's playing for a very well run organization so will win a lot of games and be a fixture in the playoffs.  But to me he's still in the Vick/V Young/Tyrod category (clearly w/ Vick at the high end of that list);  he has not yet proven he belongs in the category of guys that can take you down the field with their arm when necessary.

 

To me, the real question people should ask themselves is where they would pick him in a QB redraft of the entire league?  Obviously not ahead of Mahomes or Wilson.  But even if we ignore the old guys, ahead of Allen?  Watson? Prescott?  Murray?  Burrow?   

Bills fans have an aversion to hype of almost every player that is not a Bill...until they are a Bill...then it changes.  😉 

[machine gun kelly]

53 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"Your Kink is O.K." 

LOL

Kidding.Notkidding

 

Agree on Lamar 2019.

 

 

See, here is where I disagree. 

 

The dude is only 23 yrs old. 

 

We have endless discussion here that at 23 years old in his 3rd season, Allen is improving and may continue to improve, despite all the naysayers who say inaccurate QB in college do not improve in the NFL.

 

Why do we think one 23 yr old highly competitive intelligent athletic QB can improve, but another "is what he is" and can not?

 

It has puzzled me from Day 1.

Hapless, I see you’re point, I just meant LJ came out fast and played well from the beginning and is a decent QB.  I haven’t seen a great deal of improvement over these two years and three games.  He has a particular skill set and does it well.  Conversely, Allen seems to have improved each year even if you just take a simple metric of completion %.  53 to 59, to now really high so far at 71.1%.  I don’t expect, but hope he can maintain anywhere close to this level.  Before the season, I stated I would be ecstatic if Allen can hover around 65%, but there are 10 of 32 starting QB’s above 70%.  That has to be partially the defense were not as ready as offenses so far, but I expect teams will tighten up as we roll through the year.

[Mango]

Lamar has a total of 4 regular season losses. 3 of them are to Mahomes. Maybe we calm down a bit. 

 

 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It caught up to him in San Fran, sure. As did working for a borderline psychopath as his Head Coach. Whether it did for him in Buffalo is a matter of opinion. Mine is that being fired 2 games into your second season after leading the league in rushing to save the lardy ass of the useless Head Coach and his equally useless brother who had just been shredded by Ryan Fitzpatrick is not evidence of your offense failing. 

 

Roman is one of the best and most innovative OCs in the NFL. But people don't want to hear about creativity when it is run game creativity. Is his passing game a bit "vanilla"? Sure. But then equally all three stops he has had QBs who are better runners than passers. He was the OC that saved Alex Smith's career before that. 

 

Only one bye now and the Bills have no shot at it. Baltimore will win 12 games minimum. They played the hard schedule last year and now get the easy one. They are the Bills in reverse. The Ravens are still a potential Superbowl Champion. They have to play better than last night but even aside from Lamar that was not the Ravens at their best. 

 

The Ravens defense usually keeps games much closer so Lamar can be more effective.

 

He is not putting a ton of points on the board, but keeps drives alive, extends plays, and can pull out the wins. He has 5 passing TDs this year and 3 of them came against a struggling Brown's team in their first game. By comparison Allen has 10 TDs against arguably better passing defenses.

 

Last night the Raven's defense was simply outclassed and that meant that Lamar and their offense had to play at the level of "air" Mahomes and the Chiefs and that is not going to happen - not sure if that will ever be the Ravens style as they emphasize setting up the pass with runs and read-option runs, but heck the Rams emphasize runs and jet option sweeps to open up their passing game and took our D to the woodshed and rolled up points on us in a hurry so whose to say how Baltimore's offense will evolve. They have some young talent at receiver, but are going to have to used them more effectively.

 

Folks know that I am an advocate of developing players even in this win-now, plug-them-in fresh out of college league. Some players produce quickly, some take more time. Giving up on a player who is committed to working and showing improvements is a mistake. Patience is a hard thing in a league that is driven by FA, but hopefully that approach that the Bills have taken pays some loyalty dividends down the road. 

 

 

 

Now Allen and Mahomes .....slinging the rock all over the field, that should be a very fun game for those who do not like defensive struggles. I do not mind a game that is a defensive chess match, but can understand watching Allen the past few weeks why an open game with lots of scoring and slinging the ball downfield where the defenses may as well be cardboard cutouts is so fun for folks to watch.

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Jackson will be fine, but he's going to continue to have games like this until he learns to make all the throws.

 

I think as Hapless was saying it isn't necessarily that he is terrible on a lot on those throws but he doesn't trust himself to throw to certain areas of the field which makes him easier to defend. 

 

I really think a true #1 who can run every route and get separation would help him. It was a different issue we were trying to address with Josh who has never wanted for willingness to take on the tough throws but look what a difference an elite route runner like Diggs has made. There are not enough to go round but I think a guy who gets so open that Jackson feels safe taking on those throws would really help him. It is why I think them kicking the tires on AB post suspension makes sense. People forget AB's play didn't decline just his mental state did.

[TheElectricCompany]

7 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Hapless, I see you’re point, I just meant LJ came out fast and played well from the beginning and is a decent QB.  I haven’t seen a great deal of improvement over these two years and three games.  He has a particular skill set and does it well.  Conversely, Allen seems to have improved each year even if you just take a simple metric of completion %.  53 to 59, to now really high so far at 71.1%.  I don’t expect, but hope he can maintain anywhere close to this level.  Before the season, I stated I would be ecstatic if Allen can hover around 65%, but there are 10 of 32 starting QB’s above 70%.  That has to be partially the defense were not as ready as offenses so far, but I expect teams will tighten up as we roll through the year.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think as Hapless was saying it isn't necessarily that he is terrible on a lot on those throws but he doesn't trust himself to throw to certain areas of the field which makes him easier to defend. 

 

I really think a true #1 who can run every route and get separation would help him. It was a different issue we were trying to address with Josh who has never wanted for willingness to take on the tough throws but look what a difference an elite route runner like Diggs has made. There are not enough to go round but I think a guy who gets so open that Jackson feels safe taking on those throws would really help him. It is why I think them kicking the tires on AB post suspension makes sense. People forget AB's play didn't decline just his mental state did.

I don't think it will help much. Jackson can throw the TE seam w/anticipation because it's a straight read and always a mismatch. There aren't a lot of routes that true WR1s excel at (versus JAG wideouts) that Jackson can also exploit. He can hit spots between cover2 but you don't need a top wideout for those go routes, that's why Brown was so successful getting downfield. Jackson's reads from the pocket aren't sophisticated enough to take advantage of everything a top WR can do.

 

He needs to learn the position. They have set that offense up to maximize his effectiveness which has had the curious additional effect of stunting his growth at the position. They need to bring him along because he is not going to improve playing zone read/option and single read sets.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Hapless, I see you’re point, I just meant LJ came out fast and played well from the beginning and is a decent QB.  I haven’t seen a great deal of improvement over these two years and three games.  He has a particular skill set and does it well.  Conversely, Allen seems to have improved each year even if you just take a simple metric of completion %.  53 to 59, to now really high so far at 71.1%.  I don’t expect, but hope he can maintain anywhere close to this level.  Before the season, I stated I would be ecstatic if Allen can hover around 65%, but there are 10 of 32 starting QB’s above 70%.  That has to be partially the defense were not as ready as offenses so far, but I expect teams will tighten up as we roll through the year.

 

I saw a huge jump in Lamar between Year 1 and Year 2, myself.  Felt that was the general POV in the NFL.

[machine gun kelly]

Point taken Hapless.

[WideNine]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think as Hapless was saying it isn't necessarily that he is terrible on a lot on those throws but he doesn't trust himself to throw to certain areas of the field which makes him easier to defend. 

 

I really think a true #1 who can run every route and get separation would help him. It was a different issue we were trying to address with Josh who has never wanted for willingness to take on the tough throws but look what a difference an elite route runner like Diggs has made. There are not enough to go round but I think a guy who gets so open that Jackson feels safe taking on those throws would really help him. It is why I think them kicking the tires on AB post suspension makes sense. People forget AB's play didn't decline just his mental state did.

 

They drafted Marquis "Holywood" Brown I think to be that guy, not sure if he will ever get to that level.

 

I loved Brown's shifty-ness and he does have another serious gear when it comes to RAC, but I thought his hands were suspect and in IMO he would disappear in big games. You want that #1 guy to be the kind of player that can be your go-to, who rises to the occasion, excels in adversity, who can enforce his will on the opposing team; you see that quality in Diggs that forces teams to say "we cannot cover this guy 1:1" when they roll the tape.

 

I don't believe draft assessments are the end of the story, but they often are right in regards to where a player is at and what that player will need to change to take the next step in the pros. I agree with you that the Ravens still need that clear #1 receiver.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by WideNine

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't think it will help much. Jackson can throw the TE seam w/anticipation because it's a straight read and always a mismatch. There aren't a lot of routes that true WR1s excel at (versus JAG wideouts) that Jackson can also exploit. He can hit spots between cover2 but you don't need a top wideout for those go routes, that's why Brown was so successful getting downfield. Jackson's reads from the pocket aren't sophisticated enough to take advantage of everything a top WR can do.

 

He needs to learn the position. They have set that offense up to maximize his effectiveness which has had the curious additional effect of stunting his growth at the position. They need to bring him along because he is not going to improve playing zone read/option and single read sets.

 

I think a wide receiver who wins on his route immediately would help though. Because while he might not get there by reading it, seeing a guy wide open with his hand in the air and a window to fit the ball will help build his confidence throwing to other areas of the field. 

 

I do agree they have sacrificed a little bit his development for being contenders now. And they have been stuck in that catch 22. It is part of the reason I was banging on last season about putting the game in Josh Allen's hands for better or worse rather than always just taking the approach to best win the game and running Singletary 25 times.the Bills have developed Josh the right way. You don't develop a passer by giving him experience handing off to a back. Equally with Lamar you don't develop him without occasionally asking him to play as a conventional drop back passer rather than on boots, options and rollouts with half field reads.

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

They drafted Marquis "Holywood" Brown I think to be that guy, not sure if he will ever get to that level.

 

I loved Brown's shifty-ness and he does have another serious gear when it comes to RAC, but I thought his hands were suspect and in IMO he would disappear in big games. You want that #1 guy to be the kind of player that can be your go-to, who rises to the occasion, excels in adversity, who can enforce his will on the opposing team; you see that quality in Diggs that forces teams to say "we cannot cover this guy 1:1" when they roll the tape.

 

I don't believe draft assessments are the end of the story, but they often are right in regards to where a player is at and what that player will need to change to take the next step in the pros. I agree with you that the Ravens still need that clear #1 receiver.

 

 

I don't believe they did. I think they drafted Brown to be a deep threat to try and back teams off the line of scrimmage. Of course impossible to know which of us are right but that was my take on that pick from the get go. And if they did draft him to be a true #1 then I agree with you that was foolish because based on his college tape that was a longshot.

 

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The Ravens’ offense just isn’t designed to play from behind.  They can’t score a ton of points in a hurry, that’s not how they’re built.  Once they got in a hole last night it was all but over.

 

Agree.   Last night's game is less about what Jackson supposedly can't do and more about what the Ravens can't do because of the way the team is built.   They are a run first team that depends upon their defense to shut down high powered offenses so that their own offense can dominate the game with its run power.   Last night the Ravens defense got shredded from the get-go because they kept trying to blitz Mahomes -- probably a coaching mistake -- while the Chiefs defense was very effective in bottling up the Ravens on the ground.   Moreover, it was less that Jackson couldn't pass well as too many of his receivers dropped passes at key points early in the game before the game got out of hand.

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, scribo said:

Lamar Jackson's big tests this season will come against the Steelers. Can a division team solve him? If so, he's moving back into the pack. If Pitt cannot, the Raven's only division rival, then Jackson is going to stay in the limelight.

 

 

His big tests are when he's down by 10 or more points in a game.

 

Because if I'm not mistaken he's 0-5 in those games.  

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Bills fans: “We have to be patient with our young QB” 

 

Also Bills Fans after one Lamar Jackson game: “ His career is over”

 

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

35 yards passing at the end of the 1st half.  Yikes.

In fairness to Lamar, he doesn't have the kind of weapons we have or KC has.  

Josh TD to Diggs Sunday was a Lamar type throw with that wrist flick. He didnt have time or the space to wind up so he just whipped that forearm.  Awesome.

 

 

.

 

Posters would be losing their minds if Josh had Jackson’s skill position roster instead of what Allen has now.

 

6 hours ago, BillsVet said:

I'll give the league's 2019 MVP more than 1 game to demonstrate he can no longer be dynamic. 

 

Josh is the better passer of the football right now and may always be.  What is funny are the people who pronounce something is so with regard to players, league trends after one or a handful of games.  It takes a much bigger sample size to identify what is happening across the NFL or how a young player does or does not progress.

It was a rough time for the kid.  Receivers can’t catch didn’t help and Defense was a mess all night.

 

Give it few more games before we see how threads like this age.

[Shaw66]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think a wide receiver who wins on his route immediately would help though. Because while he might not get there by reading it, seeing a guy wide open with his hand in the air and a window to fit the ball will help build his confidence throwing to other areas of the field. 

 

I do agree they have sacrificed a little bit his development for being contenders now. And they have been stuck in that catch 22. It is part of the reason I was banging on last season about putting the game in Josh Allen's hands for better or worse rather than always just taking the approach to best win the game and running Singletary 25 times.the Bills have developed Josh the right way. You don't develop a passer by giving him experience handing off to a back. Equally with Lamar you don't develop him without occasionally asking him to play as a conventional drop back passer rather than on boots, options and rollouts with half field reads.

 

I don't believe they did. I think they drafted Brown to be a deep threat to try and back teams off the line of scrimmage. Of course impossible to know which of us are right but that was my take on that pick from the get go. And if they did draft him to be a true #1 then I agree with you that was foolish because based on his college tape that was a longshot.

 

First, I gotta say it's pretty interesting that I post a random though about Jackson in the morning, go away, and when I come back there are 12 pages of comments.   Love it. 

 

Gunner, I agree that if Jackson had a Diggs or other serious #1, he'd be better off, and I agree (as I've said) that he has to learn to be a pocket passer.  He didn't look like one last night. 

 

But I think the problem is bigger than that.   I think if you decide that your offense is going to feature Jackson's running ability, if you're going to try to win by having him rush for 1000 yards a season, then you necessarily have to sacrifice the deep passing game.  If you're going to have a run-oriented offense, especially with your QB as a feature back, you need wideouts dedicated to blocking.   They aren't useful blocking 30 yards downfield; you have to keep them near the line of scrimmage.   I think when you do that to your offense, you're telling the defense they need to play two deep safeties, because no one's going to be running around back there.  The defense packs the shallow and mid range zones with a single high free safety, and the offense fins itself trying to beat 10 defenders all within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage.   

 

The easy passing option for a running QB is when he rolls out.  But when he rolls out, he signals the defense that it only has to defend half the field.   

 

The a big part of the reason Bills fans have been saying Josh needed options was that the Bills needed to spread the defense and make the decision making easier.  

 

As I said, KC's offense is the exact opposite of Baltimore's, and the difference was obvious.   Mahomes had a lot of easy throws to make, 15-20 yards downfiield to guys wide open.  We s

saw very little of that from Jackson, and we saw very little of it when the Ravens played the Bills last year.  

 

The attack has to come from the pocket.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

Lamar has a total of 4 regular season losses. 3 of them are to Mahomes. Maybe we calm down a bit. 

 

 

 

KC knows how to defend him. 
 

Mahomes scores more points 

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Give it few more games before we see how threads like this age.

You're missing the point.  Sure, Jackson may light up a bunch of teams again this year.  The problem isn't that he isn't talented.  The problem is that the offense is one-dimensional, and first the good defenses and eventually all the defenses will learn to stop it, just like KC did last night.  

 

What I'm saying is that Jackson is not a long-term premier QB, at least not until he learns to play like Brees and Wilson, small guys who play from the pocket.  It was obvious last night that Jackson can't play from the pocket anything like a top QB.  

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Bills knew how to defend him last season too. All but one blown play. 
 

 

[TheElectricCompany]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

The Bills knew how to defend him last season too. All but one blown play.

 

Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

The ravens just blitzed the crap out of allen, and he failed the test.

 

True, this is something Allen will still need to prove he can beat. There are a couple of gifs on Twitter from Sunday's game where the Rams blitzed him and Allen appears to miss an open Kroft running across the middle. Mahomes is still worlds ahead of him at beating a blitz. Allen will have to show he can consistently find his hot read.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

That one blown play sucked 

 

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

True, this is something Allen will still need to prove he can beat. There are a couple of gifs on Twitter from Sunday's game where the Rams blitzed him and Allen appears to miss an open Kroft running across the middle. Mahomes is still worlds ahead of him at beating a blitz. Allen will have to show he can consistently find his hot read.

All in due time, my son.  He's learning week by week, season by season.  

 

Once he finds Beas, Brown, and Diggs running free a few times, the blitzing will stop, because they're going to turn it upfield and gash the defense.  

 

Allen probably won't do it consistently this season - he's still learning.  But in a year or two, he's going to be deadly managing a game.  

[Figster]

31 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You're missing the point.  Sure, Jackson may light up a bunch of teams again this year.  The problem isn't that he isn't talented.  The problem is that the offense is one-dimensional, and first the good defenses and eventually all the defenses will learn to stop it, just like KC did last night.  

 

What I'm saying is that Jackson is not a long-term premier QB, at least not until he learns to play like Brees and Wilson, small guys who play from the pocket.  It was obvious last night that Jackson can't play from the pocket anything like a top QB.  

 

 

 Atleast not in a Greg Roman O,  he's not.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Figster

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You're missing the point.  Sure, Jackson may light up a bunch of teams again this year.  The problem isn't that he isn't talented.  The problem is that the offense is one-dimensional, and first the good defenses and eventually all the defenses will learn to stop it, just like KC did last night.  

 

What I'm saying is that Jackson is not a long-term premier QB, at least not until he learns to play like Brees and Wilson, small guys who play from the pocket.  It was obvious last night that Jackson can't play from the pocket anything like a top QB.  

 

 

 

A greg roman offense is really built around running.  Its a ton of formations, ton of looks, ton of plays.  But the things i always noticed: 

 

1 run to get in makeable down and distance.  Athletic QBs work in that they can add a read to rushing plays.

2 condensed formations - easier to block for runs, plays work from either hash, outside man can still head to the boundaries

3 don't turn it over, sacks are better

4 vertical routes are run constantly to force teams to keep safeties back - thus opening up the run game again.  You have to take the vertical shots at times since an 8 man box is almost asking to get attacked downfield.

5 A lot of the passing game is timing - out routes, hitches, comebacks - the ball is out before the receiver has even turned.  

 

So for those saying - he needs weapons... They drafted speed in duvernay and have brown, they have 3 backs so they can gash you with fresh legs.  They have a boundary weapon in Andrews.  A top level offensive line with stanley and brown.  Only thing i think they could use is a better WR who can run more precise routes - but again, they have to have speed to be a good fit there.  

[Big Gun]

6 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The Ravens’ offense just isn’t designed to play from behind.  They can’t score a ton of points in a hurry, that’s not how they’re built.  Once they got in a hole last night it was all but over.

What that really means is you don't have a good QB.

[Protocal69]

11 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

All in due time, my son.  He's learning week by week, season by season.  

 

Once he finds Beas, Brown, and Diggs running free a few times, the blitzing will stop, because they're going to turn it upfield and gash the defense.  

 

Allen probably won't do it consistently this season - he's still learning.  But in a year or two, he's going to be deadly managing a game.  

Allen has already burned a cover 0 blitz by the Jets in week one with that audibled WR screen to John Brown

[TheElectricCompany]

What offense is designed to play from behind? That's a weird take.

There are many ways to win in this league - a run heavy attack with a dual threat QB is one of them.

As Lamar continues to improve as a passer, I'm sure his rushing attempts will decrease, but it will always be part of his game.

Yeah, they could use more weapons (what team has too many playmakers?), but he's got a pretty good supporting cast

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by TheElectricCompany

[HappyDays]

28 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

All in due time, my son.  He's learning week by week, season by season.  

 

Once he finds Beas, Brown, and Diggs running free a few times, the blitzing will stop, because they're going to turn it upfield and gash the defense.  

 

Allen probably won't do it consistently this season - he's still learning.  But in a year or two, he's going to be deadly managing a game.  

 

No doubt, I am confident he will do it. Allen has methodically erased each of his flaws like no QB I've ever seen. It wasn't meant as a criticism, just something I noticed he is not all the way there yet. The scary thing for the rest of the league is that as good as he is now his ceiling is still a lot higher.

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Say it with me..."We don't have to tear down Lamar, to prop Josh up".

 

Lamar is a phenomenal player and deserves his place at the "elite of the elite" table. Josh is well on his way to earning a seat. Both of these things can exist simultaneously.

 

Frankly, I find this take to be garbage. "The end of an era" because the MVP had one bad game?  Get outta here...

 

Shaw - you come for the king, you better not miss.

Lamar is a good QB in my opinion.  He's a bit different but good none the less.  He has improved as a passer every year.

I don't believe he will be the passer that Allen and Mahomes are but he will have a good career.

 

With that being said.  He should not have got the MVP last season because he had games like this so leave the MVP talk out of it.