FMIA W Peter King lead is about Josh Allen ppl

[CorkScrewHill]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/28/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-nfl-week-3-fmia-peter-king/
 

Some nice tidbits re how Josh is happy they won but pissed that they squandered the big lead and break down of some key plays.

 

not a Peter King fan myself but it is a good read

[GunnerBill]

But Peter King hates the Bills? The whole media does. Nobody gives us our dues godammit. 

 

I have prepared for this all week long. My pitchfork has had a thorough polishing. 

[wjag]

I’ve probably seen and read more talking football heads this week than ever, and the Bills appreciation bandwagon is picking up steam. Roasting one of the best CBs not once but twice in a “we’re all watching to see if the Bills can beat a legit team” game, will be all over the highlights. Allen gave them soooo many awesome plays to pick from:

 

spin move, 3-22, sideline throws, being thrown to ground like a rag doll, unsportsmanlike penalty, face mask, 5 gorgeous TDs, avoiding sacks, taking big sacks, toe drag swag...  More.  That game was a cornucopia of Josh Allen plays.  
 

me likey. Welcome to the JA experience Peter. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by wjag

[CSBill]

The lead story on Peter King's FMIA (the real MMQB), you have now arrived Josh Allen.

[buffalo2218]

Might as well get ready for the Allen bandwagon to get a little full this week. But if it were up to me, only thing I'd say to the critics is get off my lawn

[unbillievable]

The best thing I read today was a fans' amazement at watching Allen grab a defender by the facemask and use him as a human shield against another defender. 😄

 

 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

The best thing I read today was a fans' amazement at watching Allen grab a defender by the facemask and use him as a human shield against another defender. 😄

 

 

Right I know it would of been better for Allen to avoid these negative plays but he was like a monster out there and just wouldn't go down, which probably is why Donald decided to throw him like a frisbee.

[Chandler#81]

26 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

Might as well get ready for the Allen bandwagon to get a little full this week. But if it were up to me, only thing I'd say to the critics is get off my lawn

Ya got dam punks!

[Devilmann]

The big leap he has taken this year just shows us how hard he does work in the offseason. I love his will to win and what he will do in order to win. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Devilmann said:

The big leap he has taken this year just shows us how hard he does work in the offseason. I love his will to win and what he will do in order to win. 

 

Yea the kid's commitment to his craft is absolutely top drawer. And I think most of us expected Josh to take another step this year. But you are correct, this isn't a step. Year 1 to year 2 was a step. This is a LEAP.

[ganesh]

> Josh Allen, quarterback, Buffalo. The mark of a maturing quarterback verging on true greatness is getting slapped in the face, then slugged in the face, then coming back with a classic 75-yard drive with everything on the line against an undefeated team with the best defensive player in football terrorizing him. Josh Allen did that, capping a game-winning drive against the Rams with a three-yard TD pass to tight end Tyler Kroft with 15 seconds left. Bills 35, Rams 32, and the Bills are 3-0. Allen continues to prove he’s not only one of the best young quarterbacks in football, but also one of the best quarterbacks in football.

 

This is so well put.

[BuffaninSarasota]

PK mentions the "ticky-tack" PI call on the 4th down.....but fails to mention the blown INT call on the Kroft play. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

9 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

PK mentions the "ticky-tack" PI call on the 4th down.....but fails to mention the blown INT call on the Kroft play. 

Same is true all over the media and interwebs today...

[MarkyMannn]

27 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

PK mentions the "ticky-tack" PI call on the 4th down.....but fails to mention the blown INT call on the Kroft play. 

They BOTH were shaky calls

 

Nice article.  Not sure I would put Wilson and Newton as "young" QB's.  Kind of surprised to see both as 31

[hondo in seattle]

5 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/28/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-nfl-week-3-fmia-peter-king/
 

Some nice tidbits re how Josh is happy they won but pissed that they squandered the big lead and break down of some key plays.

 

not a Peter King fan myself but it is a good read

 

I really like Peter King.  He's got access to a ton of players, coaches, and execs and can write better than the average sportswriter.  

 

It's true that despite all that, his analyses and predictions are often wrong.  I remember when we first hired Buddy Nix to be our GM, King thought we should have gone instead after a bright up-and-comer named Doug Whaley who he believed would become a great GM.  

 

So I don't pay much attention to his predictions but his insider information is awesome.  This was the first I heard of Allen's relationship with Romo. 

 

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

They BOTH were shaky calls

 

Nice article.  Not sure I would put Wilson and Newton as "young" QB's.  Kind of surprised to see both as 31

Not at all. Simultaneous possession goes to the offensive player.  That is clear-cut. As for the PI call, at the very least it was illegal contact which is still first and goal but 5 yards back.

[Shaw66]

King has his pluses and minuses, as we all do.  But he is a good writer, tells a good story, gets his facts right, and gets good material from others, like the stuff from Romo about Josh.  

 

What gripes me, and this is just personal, is that so many people are talking about this big jump Allen has made and how all the off-season work transformed him.   I think that's a false narrative.  Like Romo said, he didn't tell Allen much of anything at all.  And like Palmer said, they just worked on a little things.  

 

What gripes is that people write like what's happening to Allen is some great surprise.   It was perfectly obvious that Allen was on his way to near the top 10 of the passer list - not obvious that he'd be a premier QB, and he hasn't shown that yet - but obvious that he was not going to stay mired around #20 or worse.  Why was it obvious:  (1) physical talent, (2) work ethic, (3) brains, and (4) leadership.   That all was on display his rookie season.  Before the end of the rookie season it was clear that McDermott and Beane had identified in Allen all of the necessary ingredients to success before they drafted him.  They said it the night they  drafted him, and we all could see it his rookie season.  

 

Now, everyone's saying how great he is and talking about what a big jump he's made, when what that really means is that they didn't see in Allen what has been there to see for two years, so it feels like a surprise to them.  What it really means is that their analysis of who's good is based on stats and wins and nothing much else.  People who were watching and thinking, like Chris Simms, saw it earlier.  

 

The most interesting comment I've seen about Allen was in some column someone posted last week where the writer said that the league is waking up to the fact that Josh Allen can do things on a football field that no one else can.   He's a talent on a whole different level.  I hadn't thought about it that way, but I think yesterday's game showed it.  That play he got called for the face mask?  He's a monster.  What other QB in the league stands up to an assault like that (completely legal assault) and fights back like that?  He was getting chased and knocked around back there on a lot of plays, and he stayed upright longer than any QB has a right to expect.  That quality makes him different - BIg Ben was like that, but Allen is better than Ben was in terms of just being too big and tough to handle.

 

But what's really special about Allen, what makes him unique, is his arm strength, and I do think that this is where the tinkering with his mechanics has helped.   Allen's arm strength is so great that he threw the ball any way he wanted and it pretty much always got to where he wanted it to go, but he didn't have the accuracy he wanted.  What seems to have happened is that he's focused on getting his body positioned so that he can get good hip and shoulder rotation.   He doesn't really need the rotation, he's so strong, and on several throws yesterday you could see that if he got to the right position, he didn't rotate a lot, but having that mechanical discipline gets his arm to the right place, and his accuracy has improved.  What we're seeing now is that Allen can identify a crosser 18-20 yards down field and almost instantly release a dart with accuracy, because he doesn't need a full throwing motion to do it.  Guys like Rodgers and Mahomes have a quick release and a decent arm, so they make some similar throws, but Allen now can release the ball just as quickly and throw it with clearly more pace.   And those deep crossers to the sideline, like the throw to Davis yesterday (yes, it could have been a better throw, but it was darn good), by getting his hips and shoulders even partially set Allen now can just flip the ball down there, give it plenty of air and drop into tight windows.  

 

There simply isn't a QB in the league who can match him physically.  As I said, Ben earlier in his career.  Vick wasn't as strong but was a better pure runner, and he had an arm nearly as good as Allen's.  Point is, athletically, Allen is a rare talent.  What's happening, what's been happening now for three seasons, is that Allen's other characteristics - his brains, his work ethic and his leadership skills, are driving his performance.   So we see glimpses for a half of what is going to become more and more regular - a QB who just slices and dices defenses.  A QB who has every answer in his head and who has a body that can deliver.  

 

I've said all along that he's likely to really hit his stride around his fifth season - that's when he'll really be processing the game in his head, when he'll see much more than he's seeing now, when he'll be running into trouble less, seeing the best target more often.    

 

We're just seeing the beginning of Allen's greatness.  

Edited September 28, 2020 by Shaw66

[TigerJ]

Nice article.  I guess I can overlook his prediction that Miami would win the division.   Not sure if he expected Buffalo to be second or third place.

[Bob in STL]

The terrible interception call was far worse than the PI.  The PI was a text book example.  Consider the field position, the corner made a cute and obvious attempt to keep the WR out of the end zone.  

[technobot]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the kid's commitment to his craft is absolutely top drawer. And I think most of us expected Josh to take another step this year. But you are correct, this isn't a step. Year 1 to year 2 was a step. This is a LEAP.

 

Hate to use the Madden analogy, but this is like having a player with a low floor (65ish sounds right for Allen: Year One) but a max ceiling. Year 1-2 was a 10 point jump, what we're seeing this year (if sustained) is like a 20 point jump that makes him elite, no more complaints about his Madden ratings.

 

Hyberpole aside, assuming his progress continues what is truly salivating is that he will continue to improve, e.g. reading the field and getting the ball out quicker when he needs to. And he's more aware than the critics are of what needs improvement.

 

10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The most interesting comment I've seen about Allen was in some column someone posted last week where the writer said that the league is waking up to the fact that Josh Allen can do things on a football field that no one else can.   He's a talent on a whole different level.  I hadn't thought about it that way, but I think yesterday's game showed it. 

 

This. The facemask (legit) penalty he took yesterday? At the end of the sequence the colour commentary guy gasps "This... is a strong man..." How many QBs can do that? Getting dragged down, and still strong enough to defend themselves by tearing at another strong man's helmet, while securing the football in his other hand?

 

I'm drunk off the Koolaid (and completely hungover) right now, but we're scratching the surface of the freak things Allen can do. If he keeps this up, his lifetime highlights reel will include such videogame nonsense as:

 

- slowly brought down by several defenders at midfield, taken off his feet, while uncorking an all-arm bomb into the middle of the endzone

- 40 yard rushing TD, dragging a safety and a CB on his back

- Dallas redux: did the QB just out-physical the entire D-line?

- the Josh Allen: easily throwing 60 yard all air dimes from the Bills 35

 

These are the ravings from a fan who is a little too high over a Week 3 win, but right now Josh Allen's comparable is Superman.

[billybob71]

32 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

King has his pluses and minuses, as we all do.  But he is a good writer, tells a good story, gets his facts right, and gets good material from others, like the stuff from Romo about Josh.  

 

What gripes me, and this is just personal, is that so many people are talking about this big jump Allen has made and how all the off-season work transformed him.   I think that's a false narrative.  Like Romo said, he didn't tell Allen much of anything at all.  And like Palmer said, they just worked on a little things.  

 

What gripes is that people write like what's happening to Allen is some great surprise.   It was perfectly obvious that Allen was on his way to near the top 10 of the passer list - not obvious that he'd be a premier QB, and he hasn't shown that yet - but obvious that he was not going to stay mired around #20 or worse.  Why was it obvious:  (1) physical talent, (2) work ethic, (3) brains, and (4) leadership.   That all was on display his rookie season.  Before the end of the rookie season it was clear that McDermott and Beane had identified in Allen all of the necessary ingredients to success before they drafted him.  They said it the night they  drafted him, and we all could see it his rookie season.  

 

Now, everyone's saying how great he is and talking about what a big jump he's made, when what that really means is that they didn't see in Allen what has been there to see for two years, so it feels like a surprise to them.  What it really means is that their analysis of who's good is based on stats and wins and nothing much else.  People who were watching and thinking, like Chris Simms, saw it earlier.  

 

The most interesting comment I've seen about Allen was in some column someone posted last week where the writer said that the league is waking up to the fact that Josh Allen can do things on a football field that no one else can.   He's a talent on a whole different level.  I hadn't thought about it that way, but I think yesterday's game showed it.  That play he got called for the face mask?  He's a monster.  What other QB in the league stands up to an assault like that (completely legal assault) and fights back like that?  He was getting chased and knocked around back there on a lot of plays, and he stayed upright longer than any QB has a right to expect.  That quality makes him different - BIg Ben was like that, but Allen is better than Ben was in terms of just being too big and tough to handle.

 

But what's really special about Allen, what makes him unique, is his arm strength, and I do think that this is where the tinkering with his mechanics has helped.   Allen's arm strength is so great that he threw the ball any way he wanted and it pretty much always got to where he wanted it to go, but he didn't have the accuracy he wanted.  What seems to have happened is that he's focused on getting his body positioned so that he can get good hip and shoulder rotation.   He doesn't really need the rotation, he's so strong, and on several throws yesterday you could see that if he got to the right position, he didn't rotate a lot, but having that mechanical discipline gets his arm to the right place, and his accuracy has improved.  What we're seeing now is that Allen can identify a crosser 18-20 yards down field and almost instantly release a dart with accuracy, because he doesn't need a full throwing motion to do it.  Guys like Rodgers and Mahomes have a quick release and a decent arm, so they make some similar throws, but Allen now can release the ball just as quickly and throw it with clearly more pace.   And those deep crossers to the sideline, like the throw to Davis yesterday (yes, it could have been a better throw, but it was darn good), by getting his hips and shoulders even partially set Allen now can just flip the ball down there, give it plenty of air and drop into tight windows.  

 

There simply isn't a QB in the league who can match him physically.  As I said, Ben earlier in his career.  Vick wasn't as strong but was a better pure runner, and he had an arm nearly as good as Allen's.  Point is, athletically, Allen is a rare talent.  What's happening, what's been happening now for three seasons, is that Allen's other characteristics - his brains, his work ethic and his leadership skills, are driving his performance.   So we see glimpses for a half of what is going to become more and more regular - a QB who just slices and dices defenses.  A QB who has every answer in his head and who has a body that can deliver.  

 

I've said all along that he's likely to really hit his stride around his fifth season - that's when he'll really be processing the game in his head, when he'll see much more than he's seeing now, when he'll be running into trouble less, seeing the best target more often.    

 

We're just seeing the beginning of Allen's greatness.  

This 100 percent, very well put!!!

[Shaw66]

16 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I mean, as Bills fans, we're just going to have to live with the fact most NFL fans will see that the refs gave the Bills the win with that call. We'd feel the same way if our team lost like that...

That's true.  

 

But I thought the analysis the broadcast expert - some retired ref, was on the money.  The corner engaged Davis within the first five yards and Davis just kept running his route.  In that situation, it's the corner's job to disengage before five yards or it's an illegal contact penalty.   It's a continuing penalty until he does disengage, and if the ball is in the air before he disengages, it turns into pass interference.   That's how they call it.  When you understand that, you can see that the call was clearly correct.  If the corner had backed off at five yards, Davis would have been able to make his cut properly and it would have been a touchdown.  

 

What was so good about Davis's play was that he just kept running his route hard.   The corner couldn't back pedal fast enough to disengage - what the corner had to was move out of the way, giving Davis either the inside or the outside.  It sucks for defensive backs, but that's effectively what the rule require.  If you imagine the corner giving Davis the inside, it's easy to see the touchdown.  If you imagine him giving Davis the outside, then when Davis cut for the ball he would have run right into the defender and it would have been pass interference.  The only way the defender possibly could have defended it was to guess the ball ws going inside and break ahead of Davis, so he became a receiver with inside position.  But that would have been purely guessing, because the route could have been, maybe was, and option route.  So if the defender had disengage early and guessed inside, Davis cuts out and catches an easy throw from Josh.   

 

Davis made it all possible by running the route hard.  

[Lurker]

Pfft.    Obviously setting us up to knock us down...

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

PK mentions the "ticky-tack" PI call on the 4th down.....but fails to mention the blown INT call on the Kroft play. 

 

Both were controversial.  But only one decided the game (almost unequivocally--Josh stil had to make the Kroft throw)...

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Both were controversial.  But only one decided the game (almost unequivocally--Josh stil had to make the Kroft throw)...

The INT changed momentum and the offenses went into a shell afterwards. And while they may have been controversial considering their magnitude, the INT call was wrong and the PI call was right. 

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

I mean, as Bills fans, we're just going to have to live with the fact most NFL fans will see that the refs gave the Bills the win with that call. We'd feel the same way if our team lost like that...

How many times has NE been given a game that very same way?  Good teams get calls.  We are a good team.

[Buffalo Boy]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

But Peter King hates the Bills? The whole media does. Nobody gives us our dues godammit. 

 

I have prepared for this all week long. My pitchfork has had a thorough polishing. 

That’s NOT a pitchfork???

🤓

[Gigs]

Josh Allen has the grit and determination of a Tom Brady and the playmaking ability of a Cam Newton. Dude is a straight freak. Always beating my expectations

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Gigs said:

Josh Allen has the grit and determination of a Tom Brady and the playmaking ability of a Cam Newton. Dude is a straight freak. Always beating my expectations

 

The hype is real.  I was cautiously optimistic heading into this year... Started believing after 2 games, but quantified that with "well... Jets/Fins", but after this Rams game.... We have a Top 5 QB in Buffalo.  The talent has always been elite x 100, and now he's figuring it all out... as you said, "he's a straight freak".

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

It's also true it was the Bills' fault for allowing the momentum to get so out of hand. The big lead got to their head a bit I think.

True. Just saying that the correct call on the INT could have swung momentum back and decided the game. 

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

The INT changed momentum and the offenses went into a shell afterwards. 

 

The Bills didn't have to give up 29 unanswered points after that INT.    Momentum shifts with 20 minutes to play aren't permanent...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/28/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-nfl-week-3-fmia-peter-king/
 

Some nice tidbits re how Josh is happy they won but pissed that they squandered the big lead and break down of some key plays.

 

not a Peter King fan myself but it is a good read

 

Great find, thanks for putting it up.  Love it!  Fair take I think and good read.

 

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

True. Just saying that the correct call on the INT could have swung momentum back and decided the game. 

 

I really agree with that.  Some people point out if the INT were ruled a completed pass, then the OPI penalty would have stood and it would have been 1st and 28 instead of 1st and 18.  But the Bills were killing it on long yardage all day, nibbling that first and 28 down to 2nd and 20, 3rd and 10 etc or even just converting the long yardage.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, Lurker said:

The Bills didn't have to give up 29 unanswered points after that INT.    Momentum shifts with 20 minutes to play aren't permanent...

 

They didn't, but having just given up a pretty long TD drive, being back on the field after 30 seconds then back again after a 3-and-out kind of gassed them I think.

 

They might need to up their conditioning level.  As I recall, that was a point of pride for the Kelly-era Bills that the offense scored so fast (or else went out so fast) that the Defense had to be in fantastic condition.

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They didn't, but having just given up a pretty long TD drive, being back on the field after 30 seconds then back again after a 3-and-out kind of gassed them I think.

 

They might need to up their conditioning level.  As I recall, that was a point of pride for the Kelly-era Bills that the offense scored so fast (or else went out so fast) that the Defense had to be in fantastic condition.

 

With the limits on training camp this year, conditioning is indeed a factor.   Especially in-season, when they really only "practice" on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

 

That said, giving up 29 unanswered points in 20 minutes to ANY NFL team is not just conditioning or momentum, IMO...

[Da webster guy]

On 9/28/2020 at 5:12 AM, unbillievable said:

The best thing I read today was a fans' amazement at watching Allen grab a defender by the facemask and use him as a human shield against another defender. 😄

 

 

They really should have showed that on Bermans fastest 3 minutes.  Badassery at its finest.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/28/2020 at 10:02 AM, Shaw66 said:

But I thought the analysis the broadcast expert - some retired ref was on the money.  The corner engaged Davis within the first five yards and Davis just kept running his route.  In that situation, it's the corner's job to disengage before five yards or it's an illegal contact penalty.   It's a continuing penalty until he does disengage, and if the ball is in the air before he disengages, it turns into pass interference.   That's how they call it.  When you understand that, you can see that the call was clearly correct.  If the corner had backed off at five yards, Davis would have been able to make his cut properly and it would have been a touchdown.  

 

What was so good about Davis's play was that he just kept running his route hard.   The corner couldn't back pedal fast enough to disengage - what the corner had to was move out of the way, giving Davis either the inside or the outside.  It sucks for defensive backs, but that's effectively what the rule require.  If you imagine the corner giving Davis the inside, it's easy to see the touchdown.  If you imagine him giving Davis the outside, then when Davis cut for the ball he would have run right into the defender and it would have been pass interference.  The only way the defender possibly could have defended it was to guess the ball ws going inside and break ahead of Davis, so he became a receiver with inside position.  But that would have been purely guessing, because the route could have been, maybe was, and option route.  So if the defender had disengage early and guessed inside, Davis cuts out and catches an easy throw from Josh.   

 

Davis made it all possible by running the route hard.  

 

"Some retired ref" is Mike Pereira.  Here's a line from his resume:

"In 1998, Pereira was promoted to NFL supervisor of officiating. In 2001 Pereira became Director of Officiating for the NFL, succeeding Jerry Seeman, and then was promoted to Vice President of Officiating in 2004. Pereira retired from the NFL after the 2009 season"

 

I know we don't necessarily think well of NFL's NY office, but referring to Mike Pereira as "Some retired ref" is somewhat akin to referencing Peyton Manning as "Some retired QB".

 

The assessment of the penalty is correct according to rule.  The only legit "beef" is that we see that kind of contact continue after 5 yards on a regular basis, without penalty, just as we see WR and TE push off on a regular basis without penalty and "blindside blocks" (that aren't blindside) called without penalty.

 

The Rams were the recipients of several highly questionable calls that had significant game impact including the OPI and the INT on the Tyler Kroft pass, leading to potentially different outcome at that point in the 4th Q.  Not to mention the NO NFC Championship and the call in the Cowboys season opener.  They can beef about a ticky tack or bad call, but they have no grounds to their beef IMHO (see what I did there?)