Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! Edited September 27, 2020 by Billsfan1972 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I wondered that, too. Especially, the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 They said it was not a Horse caller tackle because the QB was still in the pocket...thought was a bull#### explanation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 He also disagreed on the "interception" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Yes you can.... But the point is it is a dangerous play.... No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, HurlyBurly51 said: He also disagreed on the "interception" He did and he agreed on the PI or on the last drive to give the Bills a 1st down and the VICTORY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Yeah it's been the rule for a while. But it looked like the defender got his facemask on that play which is a penalty. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Correct non-call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Didn't he get smacked across the face right before that too? Looked that way from a reply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! by the book yes, usually that slides late in the game. It was marginal- I take the make up call for the crappy int call 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way Because its the NFL who make up dumb rules that defy reason in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Yes you can.... But the point is it is a dangerous play.... Its really only dangerous if a guy is sprinting with full strides; that's when you can end up cranking backwards on your knee. Defenders were even starting to use it as a strategy to hurt skill players when they didn't have to; thats why it got outlawed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Josh took two slaps to the head on that same play. And if aggressively complaining to a ref about the outcome of a play is a penalty, the NFL owes me 76 penalties for 483 yards after watching Brady for a couple decades. 7 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Forget that...I was mad about them giving Josh an unsportsmanlike penalty flag cause he yelled at them. Totally BS for them to do that after he was mugged. Let him vent a bit. Happens all the time. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 what an abysmal rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! I think it's hilarious that the side judge that called the last PI is also the guy who blew the initial call on the INT they didn't overturn. (I think it was him and not the back judge) I can't help but wonder if he was looking for a place to even things up..... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I'm fine with it. It's the rule. What I'm not fine with is when they DON'T call the game according to the rules. Like the "INT". 6 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! At least that one was close. You see the officials letting that go a lot, but you could totally call it. He was engaged with the WR more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. The INT was just abysmal officiating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! That is correct. The Steelers suggested changing the rule, but the rest of the NFL did not agree. So cannot call horse collar on a RB in the tackle box or a QB in the pocket. That was the correct no call. Edit: That was responding to the no horse collar call Edited September 27, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Not sure if this is gonna turn into the overall officiating thread, but they also missed an elbow to Kroft's head on the phantom interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it a penalty because it is a dangerous play. Please tell me the announcers made up that comment? Also thank you Mike Pereira for telling them that final PI call was correct, where again the announcers tried to convince fans it was the wrong call!!! That is correct. The Steelers suggested changing the rule, but the rest of the NFL did not agree. So cannot call horse collar on a RB in the tackle box or a QB in the pocket. That was the correct no call. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! that was absolutely not an interception - its probably one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Kroft caught the ball clean and controlled it the entire time. If the defender gets his hands on it, it is a tie which always favors the offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, atomicpwrd said: that was absolutely not an interception - its probably one of the worst calls I have ever seen. Kroft caught the ball clean and controlled it the entire time. If the defender gets his hands on it, it is a tie which always favors the offense. I’m talking the pass interference call, not the interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I just hope the players and coaches can learn from all those 2nd half mistakes , they were scary bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicpwrd Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Maynard said: I’m talking the pass interference call, not the interception. Oh...sorry. I am still in awe of the interception call...lol. The PI was very close and I thought it was subjective, but the retired ref on TV agreed with the call. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Also on the horse collar - I understand Josh being upset, but he should know the rules enough to not get called for that Unsportsmanlike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way In a league so hell bent on protecting QB's I have no idea why the QB is an exception for this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, atomicpwrd said: Oh...sorry. I am still in awe of the interception call...lol. The PI was very close and I thought it was subjective, but the retired ref on TV agreed with the call. 🙂 Oh yeah, couldn’t believe the interception call! Total BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 It’s stupid not to make it a penalty within the tacklebox/in the pocket. The object is to prevent injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DQW87 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 It's kind of a crazy rule for a league trying its hardest to protect QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way I think its because DL engaged with OL reaches to grab a RB at the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I still thought I saw a facemask pull on the horsecollar play. Did anyone get a chance to rewatch that play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 What a weird exception to the rule. If I had to guess I would assume the reason it's like that is because sacks are big impact plays and league wants as many of them as possible to stand for marketing purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Horse Collar This is a type of tackle in football in which one player grabs another player’s shoulder pads or jersey from the back before pulling them down to the ground. Due to the increased risk of injury, this tackle results in a 15-yard personal foul in the NFL and NCAA. This penalty is also known as the “Roy Williams Rule” due to the defensive player’s history of injuring opponents through horse collar tackles. But if in the tackle box it is okay to injure????🤣😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: But if in the tackle box it is okay to injure????🤣😜 In the tackle box, guys aren't running top speed with full strides, which is where the knee injuries always occurred on those tackles. If anybody can find a single instance of a guy getting hurt by a horsecollar inside the tackle box I will sand corrected, but I cant think of one right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merle Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Maynard said: So what do you guys think about the PI? I’m arguing with folks that it indeed was and they saying it was BS! At the very least, it was a pretty "ticky-tacky" call, and one you wouldn't normally expect to be made at that point in the game (at least, in the "old days") ... especially if it favored the Bills! It's hard not to think that at least part of that was a "make-up call" for the absolutely bogus INT earlier. Edited September 27, 2020 by Merle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 57 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I had to look this one up, because it makes no sense to me that a defender is allowed to horse collar a QB if they are in the pocket. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/horse-collar/#:~:text=Rule Summary View Official Rule&text=No player shall grab the,who is in the pocket. No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. They got it right. No idea why the rule is written that way It has always been the rule. So many fans seem.to watch the game oblivious to rules of the game. I knew instantly that wasn't a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Simon said: In the tackle box, guys aren't running top speed with full strides, which is where the knee injuries always occurred on those tackles. If anybody can find a single instance of a guy getting hurt by a horsecollar inside the tackle box I will sand corrected, but I cant think of one right now. Not always running at top speed. The point is it should not be a judgement call as it is a penalty due to it being a dangerous play. Being in the box or out should have no bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: The point is it should not be a judgement call as it is a penalty due to it being a dangerous play. Being in the box or out should have no bearing. I just don't think it's a particularly dangerous play when the guy getting dragged down is almost stationary. But in the interests of consistency, yeah it should probably be a penalty everywhere or nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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