Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Bills depth chart has Ford listed first for RG and RT. Anyone know how they will line up tomorrow? My guess is Ford at RT and Winters at RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bills depth chart has Ford listed first for RG and RT. Anyone know how they will line up tomorrow? My guess is Ford at RT and Winters at RG. It's a McDermott mystery until the game starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Bills depth chart has Ford listed first for RG and RT. Anyone know how they will line up tomorrow? My guess is Ford at RT and Winters at RG. Ford will play both spots. He will line up at RT next to Winters / Williams and RG next to Nsekhe / Williams I guess. Ford's weakness is lateral quickness - so going against that POS Henry Anderson (who is quick on his outside rushes), we might see more of Ford at guard - but that is just a guess at this point. Edited September 12, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Ford at Guard and Williams at RT is what I believe we will see. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Is it just alphabetical order? I think Ford will start at RG until Feliciano is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, frogger said: Ford at Guard and Williams at RT is what I believe we will see. +1 All the smoke signals point to Ford at guard. Which I'm excited to see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, MJS said: Is it just alphabetical order? I think Ford will start at RG until Feliciano is back. And then he’s moved out to RT when he’s healthy? feliciano is an unknown to me at this point. He was decent. He wasn’t THAT good. He’s on the last year of his contract and might not play another snap as a Bill imo. I like the guy, but if Ford proves to be a beast at RG and still can’t handle that outside speed rush at RT, he should be our starter at RG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Sal C. commented on this the other day. He was talking with Daboll and he said that where he has been (mostly referencing New England under BB and Alabama with Saban, I think) it was common operating procedure to have "plug and play" offensive linemen who were expected to be able to move around and slot in at different spots on the line. We may see movement from time to time and player to player for a while, maybe even the full season. Will be interesting to see how the line solidifies, if it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I think it will be ford at RG and Williams at RT. Nseckhe is swing tackle 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: Is it just alphabetical order? I think Ford will start at RG until Feliciano is back. I think he'll stay at RG even after Feliciano comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it will be ford at RG and Williams at RT. Nseckhe is swing tackle That's my thinking as well, I think they roll with Ford and Williams on the right side. I think they want Ford long term at RT but given the Feliciano injury and the unexpected resurgence by Williams I think they get Cody to establish himself at RG before trying him out at RT again at some point in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I think they're going to do some platooning I still can't see them giving Cody Ford zero tackle reps. It would be pretty stupid to give up on a tackle prospect with that size and athleticism that quick. You could literally find a guard in any round and anywhere in free agency Tackles are a lot harder to develop and find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I don't really have a guess. I do expect that whatever combination they use, they will be competent, and maybe pretty good. Winters, Williams and Nsekhe are all solid players, and I expect Ford will have taken a pretty big leap forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I think they're going to do some platooning I still can't see them giving Cody Ford zero tackle reps. It would be pretty stupid to give up on a tackle prospect with that size and athleticism that quick. You could literally find a guard in any round and anywhere in free agency Tackles are a lot harder to develop and find Not totally give up. Just keep him at RG at least for the year. If Williams goes back to being a stud, they likely re-sign him for big money and Ford is stuck at RG anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Williams at RG and Ford at RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Not totally give up. Just keep him at RG at least for the year. If Williams goes back to being a stud, they likely re-sign him for big money and Ford is stuck at RG anyway. Ford is a better prospect than Williams coming out in my opinion. He has 5 years of experience on Ford which helps a lot Ford is a freak athlete at his size, and absolutely has foot quickness to play tackle. Like everything with growing pains, you just need reps and patience His tackle play at Oklahoma was much better than his guard play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Ford is a better prospect than Williams coming out in my opinion. He has 5 years of experience on Ford which helps a lot Ford is a freak athlete at his size, and absolutely has foot quickness to play tackle. Like everything with growing pains, you just need reps and patience His tackle play at Oklahoma was much better than his guard play Ford might have been a better prospect than Williams coming out of college, but Williams was 2nd team All-Pro at RT in the NFL whereas Ford struggled at RT last year. That doesn't mean that Ford has no future at RT but it makes more sense to play the guys where they're currently best suited. There will be time to develop Ford at RT should Williams not perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MJS said: Is it just alphabetical order? I think Ford will start at RG until Feliciano is back. If they start Ford at OG and he does well, he ain’t moving out of that spot for the foreseeable future, even when Feliciano returns. Edited September 12, 2020 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Ford might have been a better prospect than Williams coming out of college, but Williams was 2nd team All-Pro at RT in the NFL whereas Ford struggled at RT last year. That doesn't mean that Ford has no future at RT but it makes more sense to play the guys where they're currently best suited. There will be time to develop Ford at RT should Williams not perform. Williams has struggled at right tackle in his career his first couple seasons. And Ford had some good games last year All players just need reps. I just wouldn't guarantee a transition to guard for Ford because we have Williams Let the oline line gel things out for a bit and then reassess Edited September 12, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: And then he’s moved out to RT when he’s healthy? feliciano is an unknown to me at this point. He was decent. He wasn’t THAT good. He’s on the last year of his contract and might not play another snap as a Bill imo. I like the guy, but if Ford proves to be a beast at RG and still can’t handle that outside speed rush at RT, he should be our starter at RG. Yeah, it depends on how Ford does. If he is average I think they'll start Feliciano and move Ford back to RT, but that also depends on how Williams or whoever they start at RT is doing. If nothing else, Feliciano is an excellent backup interior olineman. 47 minutes ago, Doc said: I think he'll stay at RG even after Feliciano comes back. Not if he struggles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: Not if he struggles. True. But if he does, Winters takes over. Now if he struggles as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Doc said: True. But if he does, Winters takes over. Now if he struggles as well... I think they'll want to give him more experience and continue to play him. But that depends on how bad he struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I'd be surprised if they move Ford to RG as this regime seems dedicated to him developing at RT. I'm about 52.3% confident that it will be Williams at RG and Ford/Nyseche at RT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'd be surprised if they move Ford to RG as this regime seems dedicated to him developing at RT. I'm about 52.3% confident that it will be Williams at RG and Ford/Nyseche at RT. I would agree with this. Especially with Morse’s recent comments about Ford receiving a bad rep unfairly last season and how he has noticed improvements in the preseason. I suspect that the RT position is Ford’s to lose, and I don’t think he’d lose it in the preseason. Doesn’t seem like McD’s/Beane’s style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I'd be surprised if they move Ford to RG as this regime seems dedicated to him developing at RT. I'm about 52.3% confident that it will be Williams at RG and Ford/Nyseche at RT. I'm 100% confident I don't know what McDermott's long and short term plans are for Cody Ford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Sal C. commented on this the other day. He was talking with Daboll and he said that where he has been (mostly referencing New England under BB and Alabama with Saban, I think) it was common operating procedure to have "plug and play" offensive linemen who were expected to be able to move around and slot in at different spots on the line. ugh. Just what a QB or RB needs. Something different all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just for fun I'll make a crazy bold prediction: : Williams at RG and Nsekhe at RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I'd be surprised if they move Ford to RG as this regime seems dedicated to him developing at RT. I'm about 52.3% confident that it will be Williams at RG and Ford/Nyseche at RT. That was my original thought. I think the decision will be made based on how he performed in camp, which is something we know nothing about. 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 This might not be a popular opinion......but I think Jon F. has trouble getting back onto the field because Ford is going to own that position by the time he gets back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Williams has struggled at right tackle in his career his first couple seasons. And Ford had some good games last year All players just need reps. I just wouldn't guarantee a transition to guard for Ford because we have Williams Let the oline line gel things out for a bit and then reassess I really do not understand this line at all. Williams played RT in 2016 for most of the season. He played well enough to remain the starter in 2017 where he was a 2nd team All-Pro at RT. Then he gets hurt 2018 and was IR’d. He returns in 2019 after the injury - played both guard positions and left tackle (He did not play RT at all in 2019). So when exactly was the right tackle struggles - his rookie year when he platooned - much like Ford? After that he took over the RT position and was solid there - good enough to get 2nd team All Pro. Yes I think Ford had some good games, but if the O-Line is better with Morse, Ford, Williams - while Mongo is out - that is how they should play. If Ford plays well at guard - you let him stay and develop. If they have some liberty to move people around - they can do that also, but I want the best 5 guys out there and a 5 year vet with All-Pro chops should be able to handle the position better than a part time 2nd year player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 My prediction is Ford-Nsekhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Rochesterfan said: I really do not understand this line at all. Williams played RT in 2016 for most of the season. He played well enough to remain the starter in 2017 where he was a 2nd team All-Pro at RT. Then he gets hurt 2018 and was IR’d. He returns in 2019 after the injury - played both guard positions and left tackle (He did not play RT at all in 2019). So when exactly was the right tackle struggles - his rookie year when he platooned - much like Ford? After that he took over the RT position and was solid there - good enough to get 2nd team All Pro. Yes I think Ford had some good games, but if the O-Line is better with Morse, Ford, Williams - while Mongo is out - that is how they should play. If Ford plays well at guard - you let him stay and develop. If they have some liberty to move people around - they can do that also, but I want the best 5 guys out there and a 5 year vet with All-Pro chops should be able to handle the position better than a part time 2nd year player. He all prod in 2017 his third year in the league. In 2015 and 2016 he was your typical up and down offensive lineman He was given time to learn and grow. People want to cut off Cody's development after one season. It takes years to develop an NFL tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, frogger said: Ford at Guard and Williams at RT is what I believe we will see. Winner. My choice as well. I think Nsecke will be our swing tackle spelling Dawkins and Williams when needed. I really would like to see Ford develop into an RT as it was what he was drafted for. I saw a podcast with J. Sirles who knows Ford well and said he would be better suited at RT because it fits his skill set like footwork and quickness better. Feels he doesn't have the "point of attack" power needed like Feliciano. Unless there's a Q.Nelson on the board you don't draft Guards in the late 1st and early 2nd. Edited September 12, 2020 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Lot's of people predicted Ford/Rockefeller but it ended up Ford/Dole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Lot's of people predicted Ford/Rockefeller but it ended up Ford/Dole. It could have been Ford/McDole, but McDole played defense. He did end up in Washington though. Hopefully, I confused somebody with this. Edited September 12, 2020 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: It could have been Ford/McDole, but McDole played defense. Maybe it was Kemp/McDole...........I confused myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I wonder how many O-linemen will dress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: This might not be a popular opinion......but I think Jon F. has trouble getting back onto the field because Ford is going to own that position by the time he gets back It wouldn't surprise me. 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: He all prod in 2017 his third year in the league. In 2015 and 2016 he was your typical up and down offensive lineman He was given time to learn and grow. People want to cut off Cody's development after one season. It takes years to develop an NFL tackle All I want is for the best 5 players to start. Given their histories, the player with the most ability at RT currently is Williams. At RG, it could be Ford but it could just as easily could be Winters. We shall see. But I hope they're not forcing Ford to start if he's not one of the 5 best players just because they drafted him high. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: It wouldn't surprise me. All I want is for the best 5 players to start. Given their histories, the player with the most ability at RT currently is Williams. At RG, it could be Ford but it could just as easily could be Winters. We shall see. But I hope they're not forcing Ford to start if he's not one of the 5 best players just because they drafted him high. That is if you take the past into account, and you don't take into account Ford's possible improvement It's totally possible he made great strides over the last eight months. Of course the Best 5 should play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: This might not be a popular opinion......but I think Jon F. has trouble getting back onto the field because Ford is going to own that position by the time he gets back You're right it probably isn't popular, but it probably is 100% true. I think Ford shuts a lot of people up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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