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Trubisky wins the job in Chi-town (update- lost the job)


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It’s probably the right decision.

 

Foles was lightning in a bottle.

 

Trubisky has yet to show either lightning or a bottle to hold it in but he was a big investment and you just never know if it will click at some point. I remember thinking Alex Smith sucked with the 49ers.

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No big surprise, iirc Foles has never been what one would call a consistent performing QB, that said you can bet your arse that Mitch is on a short leash. 

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4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

No big surprise, iirc Foles has never been what one would call a consistent performing QB, that said you can bet your arse that Mitch is on a short leash. 

Yeah I give it 3 games. But foles has now been beaten out by Gardner Minshew and mitchy biscuits since winning the SB.

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37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

We could theoretically be literally in the same position as the Bears next year, with Foles competing for the starting job.

 

I really don't think so, JA is underrated because the things he does well aren't in line with the established narrative of him. The biggest legit knock is his deep passing accuracy, but basically every game starting with I think the eagles game through the end of the year had 30 mph+ winds and that is not being taken into account nearly enough.

 

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The Bears made the right decision going with Trubisky.  Foles had a nice early part of his career with the Eagles, then had a magical half-season and Super Bowl run.  Outside of that, he's been pretty terrible for many years on multiple teams.  He's an experienced veteran backup, but has little upside.  Trubisky wasn't very good last year, but still has some upside and the Bears have to give him one more chance to see what they have before his rookie contract expires, at which point they pay him or cut him loose.

 

For those who are comparing him to Allen, I would say the situation is similar (highly drafted QB with upside, but has shown flashes of bad play, rookie contract will come up and decision will need to be made), but the players are not.  In my opinion, Allen has a lot more upside.  He has "generational" arm talent and other superior physical skills.  It's a rarity for a guy with his size to be as athletic as he is.  Plus, he has all the intangibles - hard worker, good teammate, etc.  If he puts it all together, he could be great.  If Trubisky puts it all together, he'll be a good starting QB in the league, but he doesn't have the ceiling to be great.

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11 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

We could theoretically be literally in the same position as the Bears next year, with Foles competing for the starting job.

 

I really don't think so, JA is underrated because the things he does well aren't in line with the established narrative of him. The biggest legit knock is his deep passing accuracy, but basically every game starting with I think the eagles game through the end of the year had 30 mph+ winds and that is not being taken into account nearly enough.

 

Nah foles is a good story but that’s about it. I don’t know what Allen’s story will be but I don’t see foles continuing.  I think he will retire soon. Friend of his from the Rams (James laurinaitis) does a radio show here locally and said he has been dying to retire for years and the SB threw a wrench in things lol 

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3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nah foles is a good story but that’s about it. I don’t know what Allen’s story will be but I don’t see foles continuing.  I think he will retire soon. Friend of his from the Rams (James laurinaitis) does a radio show here locally and said he has been dying to retire for years and the SB threw a wrench in things lol 

I mean that was part of the Cinderella story with Foles that he was planning to retire but ended up getting convinced to backup Wentz and we know the rest.

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32 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

We could theoretically be literally in the same position as the Bears next year, with Foles competing for the starting job.

 

I really don't think so, JA is underrated because the things he does well aren't in line with the established narrative of him. The biggest legit knock is his deep passing accuracy, but basically every game starting with I think the eagles game through the end of the year had 30 mph+ winds and that is not being taken into account nearly enough.

 

Yeah, Foles will be backup here with no competition...

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2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

No big surprise, iirc Foles has never been what one would call a consistent performing QB, that said you can bet your arse that Mitch is on a short leash. 

I heard a report today that Miami has been contacted about trading Rosen.  Chicago was the first team that I thought about.  Their QB situation has to be one of the worst in the league.

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2 hours ago, msw2112 said:

The Bears made the right decision going with Trubisky.  Foles had a nice early part of his career with the Eagles, then had a magical half-season and Super Bowl run.  Outside of that, he's been pretty terrible for many years on multiple teams.  He's an experienced veteran backup, but has little upside.  Trubisky wasn't very good last year, but still has some upside and the Bears have to give him one more chance to see what they have before his rookie contract expires, at which point they pay him or cut him loose.

 

For those who are comparing him to Allen, I would say the situation is similar (highly drafted QB with upside, but has shown flashes of bad play, rookie contract will come up and decision will need to be made), but the players are not.  In my opinion, Allen has a lot more upside.  He has "generational" arm talent and other superior physical skills.  It's a rarity for a guy with his size to be as athletic as he is.  Plus, he has all the intangibles - hard worker, good teammate, etc.  If he puts it all together, he could be great.  If Trubisky puts it all together, he'll be a good starting QB in the league, but he doesn't have the ceiling to be great.

Great analysis.  Josh Allen is a tremendous athlete.  His upside is off the charts.  If he can put it together we are going to have one hell of a ride over the next few years.  Trubisky is decent at times.  But usually regresses back to mediocrity and below.  And I think Allen is a better leader.  More fired up.  Motivates his teammates well.  Don't get that vibe from Trubisky.  I think his teammates don't think he is the guy.  I think Josh's teammates love playing w him.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

I just think Foles is kind of like Fitzpatrick can be lights out can be horrible bad. Don't know who you getting sometimes.

 

No, you pretty much know with Foles. Outside a couple brief flashes, he has generally sucked. 

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I think this is the right call for two reasons. 

 

1. I have never been a big Nick Foles guy and yes his Superbowl run was lightening in a bottle. He is a good backup QB and that is all. 

 

But also....

 

2. If you go the other way and Foles sucks through 4 weeks it is really difficult to go back to Trubisky. If you do the moment he walks into that huddle every teammate is thinking "we are done". 

 

I don't think Trubisky is the long term answer. But he didn't totally suck even last season and I think they are right to stick with him until there really is no other option. 

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We'll see what the new OC Lazor can do for him as he's had a fairly good track record as a quarterbacks coach (which he essentially is pry what he'll be considering Nagy calls the plays).  You spent all that draft capital for him (including on passing on Mahomes and Watson).  You mine as well make sure he's not your franchise QB.  If he doesn't work out you can always put Foles in after Thanksgiving and hope for a magical run deep into the playoffs.

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9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

We'll see what the new OC Lazor can do for him as he's had a fairly good track record as a quarterbacks coach (which he essentially is pry what he'll be considering Nagy calls the plays).  You spent all that draft capital for him (including on passing on Mahomes and Watson).  You mine as well make sure he's not your franchise QB.  If he doesn't work out you can always put Foles in after Thanksgiving and hope for a magical run deep into the playoffs.

 

Lazor's two OC stints have resulted in him being fired midway through his second season though... and that was with Dalton and Tannehill so not complete trash.... similar levels to what he inherits in Chicago.

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36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Lazor's two OC stints have resulted in him being fired midway through his second season though... and that was with Dalton and Tannehill so not complete trash.... similar levels to what he inherits in Chicago.

He did a good job with quarterbacks though especially as QB coach.  Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's with him as his QB coach (albeit in Chip Kelly's offense).  Dalton's two best seasons were with him as QB coach.  Tannehill's best two years stat wise (before last year) came with him as the offensive coordinator.  I'm not saying he's a QB guru but he could have a positive impact with Trubisky.  

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I think this is the right call for two reasons. 

 

1. I have never been a big Nick Foles guy and yes his Superbowl run was lightening in a bottle. He is a good backup QB and that is all. 

 

But also....

 

2. If you go the other way and Foles sucks through 4 weeks it is really difficult to go back to Trubisky. If you do the moment he walks into that huddle every teammate is thinking "we are done". 

 

I don't think Trubisky is the long term answer. But he didn't totally suck even last season and I think they are right to stick with him until there really is no other option. 


Yes, and I’ll add — if you don’t name Trubisky the starter he’s done. This is a #2 overall pick. I think the only way Foles could “win” this job would have been if Trubisky completely blew up in camp and that wasn’t likely to happen. Bringing Foles in was a kick-in-the-ass for Mitch, and a viable option if he gets hurt or regresses. 

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the thought is that trubisky knows the offense, has a decent new TE for checkdowns (graham).  GM ryan pace is still holding out hope for redemption and the defense is expected to be better than the '18 season with off season signings and injured key players at full strength.  

 

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It’s the only decision they should have made.  It’s absolutely idiotic how quickly teams give up on young QBs for scrub veteran (though Foles has been good on the Eagles but never for a full season).  As much as I’m a (objective means being a critic here) critic of Allen, even if he is really bad this year, I’d sign a veteran / draft a guy to “push” him but he is winning the job next year too.  
 

that said, the leash is very short. 

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2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

still have zero idea how he got drafted over watson.  imagine how good that bears team would have been

Yeah that never made sense too me. He had good size and a good arm, but nothing eye popping talent wise

 

Josh had bad numbers at Wyoming, but he also had a freak skill set that was worth taking a chance on. I'm not sure what Trubisky showed to warrant taking him over Watson at a minimum, much less Mahomes

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5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yeah that never made sense too me. He had good size and a good arm, but nothing eye popping talent wise

 

Josh had bad numbers at Wyoming, but he also had a freak skill set that was worth taking a chance on. I'm not sure what Trubisky showed to warrant taking him over Watson at a minimum, much less Mahomes

 

You really have to be wary of one-year starters. When the hype for Trubisky was all over sports media, no one paid any attention, or if they did, they mentioned it as an aside and continued to polish his knob.

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