NFL Players Staging Revolt

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Doc, you have one warped sense of humor (I love BTW).  The people I most worry about who still will be working are the trainers, weight training coaches, assistants, other older employees, and yes, the O Lineman who some have very high BMI’s.  As much as I hate the Darth Vader of the NFL, Belicheck and Carroll who I don’t mind when he’s not talking with gum in his mouth are both in their late 60’s.  These are the guys who are definitely at risk.  How many assistants are older than 65?

I'm not downplaying the concern and they're going to have to make a personal decision on whether it's worth the risk to them.  Same goes for the players.  I don't blame the players for wanting more clarity about what are YOU going to do to create the safest environment possible.  Businesses across the country have the same job of making their employees feel safe to come back to work.  From an economic standpoint most of these players have a few years to make as much money as possible.  I think NFL players should have a $150k opt out option if they don't feel comfortable like the player's union proposed.

[Johnnycage46]

29 minutes ago, njbuff said:

So much for my theory that a virus dies in the heat. Most of the country is in an oppressive heat wave right now.

 

This MFing virus does NOT want to go away.

 

It is losing potency but is still very much alive.

Behavior will kill it way before heat does.

[NoSaint]

27 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I mean.. players vocally shot down the bubble, and some also shot down amended face masks.  What exactly are they looking for?   You can’t possibly think the NFL is just business as usual, there’s going to be testing and guidelines as we saw floated a few days ago, but if it’s truly about “safety”, how come I’ve already seen them shoot down two common sense safety protocols? ??‍♂️
 

 

dare I ask, why non essential entertainment has you so riled up? 

 

seems reasonable they may not take whatever the boss gives them. I wouldn’t want to be in a bubble for 6 months. Beyond that, as players have mentioned, what happens when your starting center gets it? What are the preventative steps before the positive test that keeps the team safe and what are the steps after? 
 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

dare I ask, why non essential entertainment has you so riled up? 

 

seems reasonable they may not take whatever the boss gives them. I wouldn’t want to be in a bubble for 6 months. Beyond that, as players have mentioned, what happens when your starting center gets it? What are the preventative steps before the positive test that keeps the team safe and what are the steps after? 
 

 

Honestly, not really riled up.. just been fighting off a non-COVID virus and am bored so the debate is helping pass the time.. and yea, the players are being disingenuous here.  One can be for player safety and also recognize that. 

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Yes. How many corner kicks in a game. EVERY play in football is worse than a corner kick. 

Not if they wear the amended masks that so many players say they won’t wear. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm not downplaying the concern and they're going to have to make a personal decision on whether it's worth the risk to them.  Same goes for the players.  I don't blame the players for wanting more clarity about what are YOU going to do to create the safest environment possible.  Businesses across the country have the same job of making their employees feel safe to come back to work.  From an economic standpoint most of these players have a few years to make as much money as possible.  I think NFL players should have a $150k opt out option if they don't feel comfortable like the player's union proposed.

 

So they have every incentive to not only play, but abide by the rules to help prevent themselves from getting infected.  Again I don't hear any players talking about what they need to do to create the safest environment possible.  And up until now, none of them have been living in a "bubble."

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

No one is terminating any contracts...what are you talking about?

If an employer has the ability to not pay players who are unable to work solely due to the fact that the employer has failed to provide a safe working environment, they have effectively terminated the contract.  Don’t like a contract a player has signed?  Just create an unsafe work environment.  Problem solved.

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

If an employer has the ability to not pay players who are unable to work solely due to the fact that the employer has failed to provide a safe working environment, they have effectively terminated the contract.  Don’t like a contract a player has signed?  Just create an unsafe work environment.  Problem solved.

 

That's not true.

 

Anyway, someone you missed this:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/07/18/nfl-offers-players-opt-out-program-2020-season

[SectionC3]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 And up until now, none of them have been living in a "bubble."

 

How do you know that none of them has been living in a bubble? 

 

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So they have every incentive to not only play, but abide by the rules to help prevent themselves from getting infected.  Again I don't hear any players talking about what they need to do to create the safest environment possible.  And up until now, none of them have been living in a "bubble."

 

And unfortunately for some of them, they play a contact sport and might literally contact someone who has refused to live in the bubble.  It's the factors beyond the control of the player that are at issue here.  For that reason I completely agree with the players who support daily testing, not necessarily for themselves, but for the "other" players with whom they may come into contact. 

[Mickey]

5 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

I think that is the point, it was a coordinated effort. Yes, use the same words and hashtag.

yes, as do the owners and team spokespersons

[BringBackFergy]

4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Wow how astute of you to catch on to the fact that it was coordinated. A brilliant mind

Some of the most heartfelt and profound speeches/poems of our age were a re-hash of four or five phrases drafted by behind-the-scenes handlers (agents, union reps, etc.). I’m glad you agree. I always knew you and I shared the same viewpoint. Thanks for confirming it. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

How do you know that none of them has been living in a bubble? 

 

How do you know any have?  And if they have, the shouldn't have a problem continuing to be in one now, right?

 

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And unfortunately for some of them, they play a contact sport and might literally contact someone who has refused to live in the bubble.  It's the factors beyond the control of the player that are at issue here.  For that reason I completely agree with the players who support daily testing, not necessarily for themselves, but for the "other" players with whom they may come into contact. 

 

Other players...who can't abide by the rules?  Then those players should be warned and then if they still don't listen, removed from the team without pay.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/16/players-who-test-positive-for-covid-19-will-be-paid/

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-creating-covid-19-202407712.html

 

Distancing and sanitization protocols exist for any industry--no mysteries there.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/07/06/nfl-training-camps-coronavirus-covid-19-protocol/5385276002/

 

Details to be worked out remain--primarily because the testing apparatus in this country, because of the increase in testing, is still inadequate for the volume.

 

These players are being (I'm being kind here) disingenuous here.

If you read the articles it even changed since yesterday. That’s kind of the point. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, KD in CA said:

Maybe that’s because they’ve chosen not to publish it online.  How many other large businesses have published their plans publicly?

 

true; just seems weird with the NFL given how much consumer interest there is. 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you read the articles it even changed since yesterday. That’s kind of the point. 

 
It’s not like nothing is being done

[davspo]

Play or don’t play - like the rest of us it’s up to them- just end the drama we too deal with it everyday 

[Doc]

So not getting tested daily and not being told how many players need to be positive before quarantining a whole team are the sticking points?  The latter is something that can be decided upon when the times comes while daily testing is unnecessary, especially if turnaround time is more than a day (and doing daily testing won't help matters in that regard).

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

If an employer has the ability to not pay players who are unable to work solely due to the fact that the employer has failed to provide a safe working environment, they have effectively terminated the contract.  Don’t like a contract a player has signed?  Just create an unsafe work environment.  Problem solved.

 

This is an oversimplification. I understand the concerns of a slippery slope, but the situation is not that the NFL *won't* provide a safe working environment. It's that they probably "can't". The players aren't upset about the health related issues...they're concerned about money. This 'unsafe' workplace is a play to get paid while not playing while they try to negotiate players getting paid for not playing. 

 

How many other companies have to be shut down? A bar that's closed because of covid should be forced to pay it's employees when it can't open? 

[Kirby Jackson]

31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 
It’s not like nothing is being done

That’s the entire point though. They are just over a week from reporting and some pretty major items are still not ironed out. The players are asking what’s the plan and “don’t worry about it we will have something” seems to be the response. If there was a clear plan in place, that comes from the medical people, the players will be okay with it. I don’t disagree that it is being worked on. They are just running out of time. 

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s the entire point though. They are just over a week from reporting and some pretty major items are still not ironed out. The players are asking what’s the plan and “don’t worry about it we will have something” seems to be the response. If there was a clear plan in place, that comes from the medical people, the players will be okay with it. I don’t disagree that it is being worked on. They are just running out of time. 

Some report tomorrow 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I keep reading this thread title and thinking of the old joke:

 

"the Peasants are Revolting"

"ewwww, they certainly Are!"

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

So they have every incentive to not only play, but abide by the rules to help prevent themselves from getting infected.  Again I don't hear any players talking about what they need to do to create the safest environment possible.  And up until now, none of them have been living in a "bubble."

I don't disagree with you.  Our soldiers have done tours in Iraq or Afghanistan where they don't see their families for 15 months.  It just seems like that option's off the table though for whatever reason.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I don't disagree with you.  Our soldiers have done tours in Iraq or Afghanistan where they don't see their families for 15 months.  It just seems like that option's off the table though for whatever reason.

 

The thing is, they can have their wives, GFs, even their side pieces, in a bubble.  Deployed soldiers cannot (well, they can get a piece on the side while being deployed).

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The thing is, they can have their wives, GFs, even their side pieces, in a bubble.  Deployed soldiers cannot (well, they can get a piece on the side while being deployed).

15 dollas

[GottaRun]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yes. How many corner kicks in a game. EVERY play in football is worse than a corner kick. 

According to Google
134 - 168 plays in an average NFL game (67 - 84 plays per Offense in an average NFL game)
10 - 11 Corner kicks in an average EPL match

Also, the EPL only needed to jam in 8 matches to finish a season.  The NFL is looking at starting a season and getting 18 games in pre playoffs (assuming 2 pre-season).

Every NFL play definitely has more in your face contact than a soccer match.  

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

15 dollas

 

?

 

1 minute ago, driddles said:

According to Google
134 - 168 plays in an average NFL game (67 - 84 plays per Offense in an average NFL game)
10 - 11 Corner kicks in an average EPL match

Also, the EPL only needed to jam in 8 matches to finish a season.  The NFL is looking at starting a season and getting 18 games in pre playoffs (assuming 2 pre-season).

Every NFL play definitely has more in your face contact than a soccer match. 

 

The NFL played just 9 games in 1982.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Doc

[Billy Claude]

26 minutes ago, driddles said:

According to Google
134 - 168 plays in an average NFL game (67 - 84 plays per Offense in an average NFL game)
10 - 11 Corner kicks in an average EPL match

Also, the EPL only needed to jam in 8 matches to finish a season.  The NFL is looking at starting a season and getting 18 games in pre playoffs (assuming 2 pre-season).

Every NFL play definitely has more in your face contact than a soccer match.  

 

 

Another big difference is that the EPL only had six players (out ot 748) tested positive on the restart and 10 in the Bundesliga.  The NBA on the other hand had about 5% tested positive,

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Billy Claude
fixed numbers

[SCBills]

21 minutes ago, driddles said:

According to Google
134 - 168 plays in an average NFL game (67 - 84 plays per Offense in an average NFL game)
10 - 11 Corner kicks in an average EPL match

Also, the EPL only needed to jam in 8 matches to finish a season.  The NFL is looking at starting a season and getting 18 games in pre playoffs (assuming 2 pre-season).

Every NFL play definitely has more in your face contact than a soccer match.  

 

If you’re exposed, you’re exposed.. Doesn’t matter if it’s 10-12 times in a game or 60+.  
 

The good news for NFL players is the league can retrofit a helmet for them.  Oh, wait, vocal players said they wouldn’t play in them.  
 

Soccer/Basketball players are completely exposed.  

[reddogblitz]

If Russel Wilson is concerned about his pregnant wife's health, why doesn't he rent an apartment to live in and hire a nurse to stay with his wife?  Goodness knows he can afford it.

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

If Russel Wilson is concerned about his pregnant wife's health, why doesn't he rent an apartment to live in and hire a nurse to stay with his wife?  Goodness knows he can afford it.

 

So can she.  But if he wants to sit out...

[reddogblitz]

According to the linked article in the main article a plan for testing etc was given to the teams that was agreed to by the NFLPA two weeks ago in an article dated 7/6.

 

Quote

The NFL has laid out protocol for some of the testing and treatment procedures of the coronavirus. Commissioner Roger Goodell sent teams a one-page memo and 40-page protocol document to explain the details of the program, which was developed in partnership with the NFL Players Association. USA TODAY Sports obtained a copy of the memo. 

 

ttps://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2020/07/06/nfl-training-camps-coronavirus-covid-19-protocol/5385276002/

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So can she.  But if he wants to sit out...

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I don't disagree with you.  Our soldiers have done tours in Iraq or Afghanistan where they don't see their families for 15 months.  It just seems like that option's off the table though for whatever reason.

one might think that a tour in Iraq and some guys playing a game for our entertainment are different things 

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

You realize 32% of the country wasn't able to pay July rent/mortgages fully right? Might not be the best line of argument you're taking here.

 

Anyway, this is entertainment in the end, and there is a reason the arena league doesn't draw the same fans as the nfl...you put the best players in the world in the arena league it will be the most popular sport on tv.

 

This billion dollar league is absolutely a function of the players, don't for a second think differently.  They could all go on strike tomorrow and start their own league the next day, cut out the owners and make absolute bank...like serious life changing money across all segments of the roster.

 

You think every other person in this country is able to do the same thing? Come on now, some random dude pushing a piece of paper or an email from an inbox to an outbox or laying a foundation for a building are not irreplaceable...even the best is not someone who is at a level of .01% of the population or whatever and what makes them that valuable isn't untrainable (sorry, you can't teach 4.3)

 

 

Sorry but I've watch some of the worst players in football for a 17 year stretch.  I still supported and rooted for them because they were Buffalo Bills.  You must be one of those fair weather fans or you would realize this.  I didn't become a Patriots Fan now did I?  You can have replacement players and it's still the NFL.  You wouldn't have replacement teams be successful.

 

The richest NFL players couldn't pay the power bill.

Edited July 20, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[SCBills]

26 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

one might think that a tour in Iraq and some guys playing a game for our entertainment are different things 

If we’re talking college, where the players aren’t paid, that’s one thing... but this is big business.  
 

They should never be forced to play, of course, but the bubble concept isn’t as hardcore as some are saying and it’s simply an inconvenience.  Ciara can likely join Russell Wilson in his teams bubble, I haven’t heard anyone state family can’t do that.  
 

If they keep turning down reasonable recommendations (bubble, helmets) and still want to be paid in full if the season isn’t a go, why should we believe they’re negotiating in good faith?   We now found out that all 32 teams have submitted plans that were approved by infectious disease experts. 
 

And, sure, it’s just a game, a game that generates massive revenues, creates a ton of jobs, drives local economies and, yes, has an entire entertainment/betting component.   
 

You can reduce most white collar jobs to a “just a game” as well.  Just instead of playing football for pay, we day-trade, financial plan, sell a product, sit on a board of such and such..  Unless you’re a civil servant of some sort... nobody “needs” us to play, advise, sell for any reason other than to drive the economy. 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by SCBills

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

one might think that a tour in Iraq and some guys playing a game for our entertainment are different things 

yes, the guys playing a game for our entertainment get infinitely more monetary compensation.  

 

For a million dollars I would volunteer right now to spend the next 6 months "deployed" with almost zero risk of death or serious injury and the adoration of people I dont know.  

 

 

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

one might think that a tour in Iraq and some guys playing a game for our entertainment are different things 

 

.....and, some guys knew what they were signing up for. 

 

There is no winning with this issue. It sucks. 

[QB Bills]

7 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

A job action to stop the preseason and camp should cancel the season imho.  I attended games back in the 80's after the strike, and, they came in with one week of practice.  Worst pro game I ever saw, sloppy execution, out of shape players.  But, the vets think they can do it.  Experience tells me otherwise.  If the preseason and camps are canceled, you will see the worst display of football ever seen in week one.

We're Bills fans. Sloppy execution and out of shape players is all we know. 

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

yes, the guys playing a game for our entertainment get infinitely more monetary compensation.  

 

For a million dollars I would volunteer right now to spend the next 6 months "deployed" with almost zero risk of death or serious injury and the adoration of people I dont know.  

 

 

That’s nice joe. I’m glad to know that about you.
 

 

If you had 100m already and your wife was pregnant might you feel differently?

 

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

That’s nice joe. I’m glad to know that about you.
 

 

If you had 100m already and your wife was pregnant might you feel differently?

 

If I had 100 million dollars and a baby on the way I wouldnt be "working" at all.

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

yes, the guys playing a game for our entertainment get infinitely more monetary compensation.  

 

For a million dollars I would volunteer right now to spend the next 6 months "deployed" with almost zero risk of death or serious injury and the adoration of people I dont know.  

 

 

Well great, if some guys don’t want to play maybe they’ll call you up. About .09% of HS football players make it to the NFL. These guys aren’t just replaceable with the next guy. The players ARE the league. That’s true in all sports. The labor force doubles as your assets. The players know this. If Russell Wilson is worried about his family the league isn’t saying, “no problem we’ll roll with Joe in Hampton Roads.” The league’s revenue is dependent on the players. 
 

As a side plea to EVERYONE can we stop comparing our jobs to theirs? These are HIGHLY skilled professionals that can’t just be replaced. Their job is different than our jobs as mailmen, insurance sales people, waiters, etc... We are easily replaced. Our companies to not lose millions of dollars if we don’t work. Their business does. It’s apples and oranges.