Cam Newton to Pats.

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Perhaps.  None of us are in Newton's inner circle.

 

Maybe you're not in his inner circle.....

[PromoTheRobot]

Reading the local papers here in NH, apparently signing this QB no one wanted guarantees the Pats a few more Super Bowls. So Bills fans should lower their sights to a wild card berth.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Reading the local papers here in NH, apparently signing this QB no one wanted guarantees the Pats a few more Super Bowls. So Bills fans should lower their sights to a wild card berth.

Love me some Cam but nah

[C.Biscuit97]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Reading the local papers here in NH, apparently signing this QB no one wanted guarantees the Pats a few more Super Bowls. So Bills fans should lower their sights to a wild card berth.

Weird people would get excited about signing a former MVP qb.

 

 

Edited June 30, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Reading the local papers here in NH, apparently signing this QB no one wanted guarantees the Pats a few more Super Bowls. So Bills fans should lower their sights to a wild card berth.

Dan Shaunnessy was on Cleveland radio this morning and said the pats were going to win the afc East with or without Cam, because they are the pats and the bills are the bills. Wicked smaht. 

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dan Shaunnessy was on Cleveland radio this morning and said the pats were going to win the afc East with or without Cam, because they are the pats and the bills are the bills. Wicked smaht. 

In fairness, can you blame people for thinking this?  To be the man, you have to beat the man. Woo!

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

In fairness, can you blame people for thinking this?  To be the man, you have to beat the man. Woo!

 

Yes. Yes I can blame the man. Lazy thinking. Going on past results when everything's changed.

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Weird people would get excited about signing a former MVP qb.

 

 

 

Maybe we should sign Joe Montana?

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Agree to a certain extent.  However as someone who is skeptical of Allen, it has close to the resume of Cam (Heisman, National champ, rookie passing records, MVP, SB), I would be fighting people arguing how good he has been.  Those Auburn and that Panthers SB team were not that good.  He carried them.

He completed 68% of his passes two years ago and was having the best passing season of his career.

Beat.....to.....*****

[Rico]

Great QBs don’t get dumped for Teddy Bridgewater.  

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

Now that he is in NE*, it will be interesting to see if Newton is protected by the refs and the league like Brady was. He took some brutal on field hits while in Carolina where no flag was (and should have been) thrown and that Brady never would have had to endure. He should benefit with an upgraded offensive line now but, if the league continues to look the other way while defenses light him up, he may be out of the league sooner rather than later. Either way, he'll have his hands full as there are no defensive stiffs in the AFC East, unlike the NFC South. 

It's a good point. But, I think if you look at the rest of the league, it has been historically pretty common for defenses to be given a much longer leash when facing exceptionally mobile QBs. Tyrod Taylor used to get mashed, as did Vick. These days, though, with the specter of CTE always present, I think refs are being pretty strict regarding roughing the passer. I don't recall hits on Allen getting ignored, and I don't think that was an issue with Lamar Jackson, either (although I didn't see many Baltimore games).

 

All that being said, I think given his injury history, and the team he will be playing for, your point stands, and Jerry Hughs will have to watch himself.

[YoloinOhio]

Ew. Brady acting like a real ex.

 

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dan Shaunnessy was on Cleveland radio this morning and said the pats were going to win the afc East with or without Cam, because they are the pats and the bills are the bills. Wicked smaht. 

 

I don't know how not to love Shaunnessy. 

[JaCrispy]

37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ew. Brady acting like a real ex.

 

 

Of course this is Brady’s response...wouldn’t expect anything less...lol

Edited June 30, 2020 by JaCrispy

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Dan Shaunnessy was on Cleveland radio this morning and said the pats were going to win the afc East with or without Cam, because they are the pats and the bills are the bills. Wicked smaht. 

Do you see a lot of evidence to contradict that statement?

If so, I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

McD is 0-6 against BB.  I guess if he plays enough games he has to win one of them at some point.  Or does he?

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ew. Brady acting like a real ex.

 

 

 

Wtf.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Do you see a lot of evidence to contradict that statement?

If so, I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

McD is 0-6 against BB.  I guess if he plays enough games he has to win one of them at some point.  Or does he?

 

 

 

Well, "the Bills being the Bills" is an epithet the Bills earned when they went 17 years without making the playoffs.  Getting there twice in three years definitely flies in the face of that reputation. If the discussion was whether the Bills can beat the Pats, that would be one thing. But that isn't the question. So, yeah,  plenty to contradict that statement. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I’m having trouble finding the information about when signings are no longer counted in the comp pick calculations. 
 

I suspect the Cam signing was well past the deadline but can anyone confirm?

 

if so, the 3rd they’re going to get for Brady leaving was salvaged on the same day they lost a 3rd for cheating. 
 

 

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Well, "the Bills being the Bills" is an epithet the Bills earned when they went 17 years without making the playoffs.  Getting there twice in three years definitely flies in the face of that reputation. If the discussion was whether the Bills can beat the Pats, that would be one thing. But that isn't the question. So, yeah,  plenty to contradict that statement. 

huh? The question was who is going to win the division. Nothing was said about playoffs. It’s easier to make the playoffs now with an extra wild card team. Another statement that has nothing to do with the question. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I’m having trouble finding the information about when signings are no longer counted in the comp pick calculations. 
 

I suspect the Cam signing was well past the deadline but can anyone confirm?

 

if so, the 3rd they’re going to get for Brady leaving was salvaged on the same day they lost a 3rd for cheating. 
 

 

huh? The question was who is going to win the division. Nothing was said about playoffs. It’s easier to make the playoffs now with an extra wild card team. Another statement that has nothing to do with the question. 

I love the condescending “huh” followed by a comment that completely misses the point. Embarrassing every time. 
 

McD is 0-6 against BB. McD can go 0-8 against BB and still win the division. One does not equal the other. It therefore does not follow that them not being able to beat BB means its still the same old Bills. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

8 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I love the condescending “huh” followed by a comment that completely misses the point. Embarrassing every time. 
 

McD is 0-6 against BB. McD can go 0-8 against BB and still win the division. One does not equal the other. It therefore does not follow that them not being able to beat BB means its still the same old Bills. 

Misses the point? What’s the point? You’re talking about winning  the division and your evidence is making the playoffs.
 

Wins or losses against the patriots have more effect on the division tie breakers, so McDermott’s record against them matters. 

[QCity]

36 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I’m having trouble finding the information about when signings are no longer counted in the comp pick calculations. 
 

I suspect the Cam signing was well past the deadline but can anyone confirm?

 

 

 

Deadline is fluid year to year -- this year was 4/27. And yes, they are notorious for signing players immediately after the deadline hits.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

I’m having trouble finding the information about when signings are no longer counted in the comp pick calculations. 
 

I suspect the Cam signing was well past the deadline but can anyone confirm?

 

if so, the 3rd they’re going to get for Brady leaving was salvaged on the same day they lost a 3rd for cheating. 
 

 

huh? The question was who is going to win the division. Nothing was said about playoffs. It’s easier to make the playoffs now with an extra wild card team. Another statement that has nothing to do with the question. 

It actually doesn’t matter either way with Cam. The deadline is past for UFA signings to count toward the comp pick formula, but Cam was released so he didn’t count anyway. If they let him walk after this season though and he signs a decent deal they could net a comp pick for him in 2022

Edited July 1, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

Misses the point? What’s the point? You’re talking about winning  the division and your evidence is making the playoffs.
 

Wins or losses against the patriots have more effect on the division tie breakers, so McDermott’s record against them matters. 

Wow

[billsfan89]

This is a shrewd move by the Pats. Cam when healthy is a good QB, borderline top 10 QB in recent seasons even if he has fallen off since his MVP form. The issue is that Cam simply hasn't been able to stay healthy. But for the Pats they are desperate at QB and this is the type of chance they should take. 

[KD in CA]

52 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

This is a shrewd move by the Pats. Cam when healthy is a good QB, borderline top 10 QB in recent seasons even if he has fallen off since his MVP form. The issue is that Cam simply hasn't been able to stay healthy. But for the Pats they are desperate at QB and this is the type of chance they should take. 

 

He hasn't been close to being a top 10 passer since the SB, so to get to that level he needs to be an effective runner.  But is that still realistic at 31 after all the hits he's absorbed?  I'm not buying it.

 

He'll have his moments, but NE* fans used to seeing a weekly miracle are going to be disappointed.

[CommonCents]

He has thrown with a hitch for the last two seasons after his shoulder injury. Whether that is mental or physical I’m going to assume it’s still a problem. Why else would a 31 year old former MVP sign for peanuts?

 

Cam will have value at that price even if it’s just as a situational player. 

 

2015 Cam isn’t showing up, 2020 Cam might still be better than Stidham. 

 

Value signing and a distraction from the punishment for cheating, again. 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, CommonCents said:

He has thrown with a hitch for the last two seasons after his shoulder injury. Whether that is mental or physical I’m going to assume it’s still a problem. Why else would a 31 year old former MVP sign for peanuts?

 

Cam will have value at that price even if it’s just as a situational player. 

 

2015 Cam isn’t showing up, 2020 Cam might still be better than Stidham. 

 

Value signing and a distraction from the punishment for cheating, again. 

 

 

All true. I’ll get scared of this when I see Cam at 100% 2015 Cam. Until I see that, to me this is Bill picking up scraps.

[Putin]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Do you see a lot of evidence to contradict that statement?

If so, I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

McD is 0-6 against BB.  I guess if he plays enough games he has to win one of them at some point.  Or does he?

 

 

I guess will find out how good BB really is WITHOUT Brady 

[Greg S]

12 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I love the condescending “huh” followed by a comment that completely misses the point. Embarrassing every time. 
 

McD is 0-6 against BB. McD can go 0-8 against BB and still win the division. One does not equal the other. It therefore does not follow that them not being able to beat BB means its still the same old Bills. 

 

Last season was probably the first time McDermott had a team that could beat the Pats. This year he has a team that should beat the Pats. His first two years here he had no shot.

[YoloinOhio]

Flores?

 

[Capco]

19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ew. Brady acting like a real ex.

 

 

 

Gross.

[YoloinOhio]

18 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Do you see a lot of evidence to contradict that statement?

If so, I'd be curious to know what it is.

 

McD is 0-6 against BB.  I guess if he plays enough games he has to win one of them at some point.  Or does he?

 

 

It was lazy to me. I usually look at the current rosters and coaching staffs and go from there when I assess the upcoming season. He didn’t provide any evidence about these 2020 teams. He provided evidence about previous teams. He is leaning a lot on belichick being the deciding factor especially considering he thought they would win the division with stidham. It’s a big factor, as he’s the best Head coach in the league Imo. But it’s not a great roster and lacks blue chip talent (and depth, which will be especially critical this year) so he will need to show he can win the division without Brady. He hasn’t done that yet. Imo, the division is wide open this year. I’m not saying the Bills will win it. But I’m definitely not saying they are going to lose it because “they are the Bills” or the Pats will win because “they are the Pats”

[Augie]

15 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I love the condescending “huh” followed by a comment that completely misses the point. Embarrassing every time. 
 

 McD is 0-6 against BB. McD can go 0-8 against BB and still win the division. One does not equal the other. It therefore does not follow that them not being able to beat BB means its still the same old Bills. 

 

I believe the record is 0-0 for McD vs BB without Brady. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I believe the record is 0-0 for McD vs BB without Brady. 

That one time he had to start the corpse of Derek Anderson he should have won. 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That one time he had to start the corpse of Derek Anderson he should have won. 

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 6/28/2020 at 11:16 PM, Gugny said:

 

Cam isn't going to have Sean McDermott and Brian Daboll.  I find it funny how people can't see that a rested, hungry and very capable QB just joined the best-coached team in the NFL.

 

I still think the Bills are better.  But it's not by a long shot, by any means.

Probably the best coached team in any sport ever.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

He hasn't been close to being a top 10 passer since the SB, so to get to that level he needs to be an effective runner.  But is that still realistic at 31 after all the hits he's absorbed?  I'm not buying it.

 

He'll have his moments, but NE* fans used to seeing a weekly miracle are going to be disappointed.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NewtCa00/gamelog/2018/
 

he got injured in the Pittsburgh game.  He was in the MVP conversation before that.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article220789435.html

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/31056/cam-newton-should-be-among-front-runners-at-qb-in-mvp-race%3fplatform=amp

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[BullBuchanan]

On 6/30/2020 at 9:20 AM, BuffaloMatt said:

One guy is an outlier. Name another. 

Drew Brees, Kurt Warner and somehow Teddy Bridgewater appears to be better than he's ever been.

It's rare, but it happens. I also don't think Cam's injury was as traumatic as Manning, Brees, Bridgewater, but more lingering like Warner.

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Drew Brees, Kurt Warner and somehow Teddy Bridgewater appears to be better than he's ever been.

It's rare, but it happens. I also don't think Cam's injury was as traumatic as Manning, Brees, Bridgewater, but more lingering like Warner.

Bridgewater would have been a great fit in NE. 

[BullBuchanan]

11 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

He hasn't been close to being a top 10 passer since the SB, so to get to that level he needs to be an effective runner.  But is that still realistic at 31 after all the hits he's absorbed?  I'm not buying it.

 

He'll have his moments, but NE* fans used to seeing a weekly miracle are going to be disappointed.

I think you need to consider what a dumpster fire of an organization Carolina is. No matter what kind of talent they've had, they always seem to disappoint. You're spot on that this won't be some perfect season for the Pats with non-stop come from behind victories, but if they protect him from having to do it all himself with a great running game and top notch defense, he'll have the talent to load up the scoreboard when they need him to.

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Bridgewater would have been a great fit in NE. 

well somehow he got $21M after a nice outing but not a lot of history that shows he's a top-tier talent. NE couldn't afford that

[BuffaloMatt]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Drew Brees, Kurt Warner and somehow Teddy Bridgewater appears to be better than he's ever been.

It's rare, but it happens. I also don't think Cam's injury was as traumatic as Manning, Brees, Bridgewater, but more lingering like Warner.

Lis Franc,  Shoulder and getting his bell rung too many times to mention. We will see.