TwistofFate Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) Jim Kelly made the comment, something's wrong if the Bills don't take the division this year. GMFB weighs in... https://youtu.be/y0jiCzjXeio Edited May 18, 2020 by TwistofFate 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 He’s right. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 AFC champs or bust. Set the bar and kick some ass 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. 10 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Just now, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. If they can't accomplish winning this division, in the shape that it's in, no way they're winning the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 He's not wrong of course. Brady or not, this feels like the breakout year we've been building towards since McBeane got here. Year 3, 2nd full, for Allen--this bodes well for us along with the continuity in both coaching and front office for this regime. Frankly I'd be disappointed in anything less than 11-5 regular season, winning the East and getting to the AFC title game. 16 minutes ago, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. I can dig it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Have to agree with Jim Kelly; winning the division and beating NE is a 'must do' this year. I don't think we're ready to win the SB, or even get to it at this particular point. They have to prove they can easily win the division for one, and two, the Bills have to prove they can beat KC and Balt. This year should provide some indication of the two. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Win the division AND at least one postseason game, I say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Happy said: the Bills have to prove they can beat KC and Balt. They can beat Baltimore........with a more potent offense, they would have, last year. KC is a witch......they gonna be good for a little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. And yet we haven't won the division or even a playoff game for decades. So no, I disagree. The first step should be winning the division and a playoff game and then we go from there. Obviously the Superbowl is always the goal, but can we realistically expect this team who hasn't won a playoff game to go all the way to the Superbowl? Anyone who thinks we have a Superbowl caliber team right now is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. Sure but winning the AFC East would help to accomplish that goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: They can beat Baltimore........with a more potent offense, they would have, last year. KC is a witch......they gonna be good for a little while. They can beat KC to......just gotta keep our offense on the field and theirs off of it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This should be the minimum or this season would be a dissapointment... they could absolutely win the Super Bowl if Allen steps up. Allen vs Mahomes in the AFC Championship would be awesome 8 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: They can beat Baltimore........with a more potent offense, they would have, last year. KC is a witch......they gonna be good for a little while. Mahomes magic is the real deal and I agree, They gonna be good for a little while... Edited May 18, 2020 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This should be the minimum or this season would be a dissapointment... they could absolutely win the Super Bowl if Allen steps up. We have teams every year with WAY more postseason experience and lots of postseason wins and elite QB's who fail to make it to the Superbowl (New Orleans, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, etc.). I just don't see a path to the Superbowl even if Allen steps up. But I suppose crazy things happen sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: And yet we haven't won the division or even a playoff game for decades. So no, I disagree. The first step should be winning the division and a playoff game and then we go from there. Obviously the Superbowl is always the goal, but can we realistically expect this team who hasn't won a playoff game to go all the way to the Superbowl? Anyone who thinks we have a Superbowl caliber team right now is wrong. Anyone who doesn't think this is a Super Bowl caliber team isn't paying attention. And you can feel free to enjoy all the moral victories you want. I'm personally sick of them. We are into year 4 of the Process. Time to show me the mother ***** baby. Players don't get rings for winning the division and one playoff game. They shouldn't be happy with that and nether should fans. Win the ***** Super Bowl. Period. 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: Why do people think there is some incremental growth to winning a Super Bowl? Like you have to win and then lose a playoff game first before going to the Super Bowl? That's what usually happens. You don't usually have a team that hasn't won a playoff game in more than 20 years go directly to the super bowl. Obviously I want them to, but I don't think it's realistic even slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I've been waiting for weeks to know what Jim Kelly's thoughts are on this. [/sarcasm off] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Just now, Gugny said: Anyone who doesn't think this is a Super Bowl caliber team isn't paying attention. And you can feel free to enjoy all the moral victories you want. I'm personally sick of them. We are into year 4 of the Process. Time to show me the mother ***** baby. Players don't get rings for winning the division and one playoff game. They shouldn't be happy with that and nether should fans. Win the ***** Super Bowl. Period. It has nothing to do with moral victories or what we are happy with. It's just being realistic. I would be very happy if the Bills go to the Superbowl and unhappy if they don't. But there is nothing to support a claim that they are a Superbowl caliber team. Off-season hype isn't tangible evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Why do people think there is some incremental growth to winning a Super Bowl? Like you have to win and then lose a playoff game first before going to the Super Bowl? Exactly. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018. They nearly won a Super bowl in 2019 with a 13-3 regular season record to boot. It happens all the time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. Short term goal- win division- hope for first round bye- win 2 then win the big one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Why do people think there is some incremental growth to winning a Super Bowl? Like you have to win and then lose a playoff game first before going to the Super Bowl? But isn't that blueprint exactly what KC followed since drafting Mahomes (this board's favorite beat-up-the-Bills draft time regret)? The dragon that is Tom Brady did not go tenderly into that good night 2 yrs ago, and last year it took an upstart Tennessee running game to take out Brady for the Chiefs, although they probably would still have won the AFC title game notwithstanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: What does the team 20 years ago have to do with today's team?? There is no gradual improvement requirement to win a Super Bowl. The 2017 Super Bowl champ Eagles came in last in their division the year before. Hypothetically yes. You believe this Bills team is a Superbowl caliber team? I don't see any tangible evidence of that. People are projecting based on hopes and off-season hype. Allen has a lot of growing to do before he is good enough to win a Superbowl. 2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Exactly. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018. They nearly won a Super bowl in 2019 with a 13-3 regular season record to boot. It happens all the time. Their QB was injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: What does the team 20 years ago have to do with today's team?? There is no gradual improvement requirement to win a Super Bowl. The 2017 Super Bowl champ Eagles came in last in their division the year before... beating the Atlanta Falcons and all their playoff experience in the process. Atlanta should never be used as a football exhibit except as a sad outlier of statistical sorts. Anyone who lives down here will be able to chime in affirmatively. 13 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: Exactly. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018. They nearly won a Super bowl in 2019 with a 13-3 regular season record to boot. It happens all the time. Without digging into pro football reference for the actual year over year numbers of "worst going to first" I feel like that doesn't pass the smell test for a majority of SB winning squads, but I'm happy to admit if I'm wrong on my gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Hypothetically yes. You believe this Bills team is a Superbowl caliber team? I don't see any tangible evidence of that. People are projecting based on hopes and off-season hype. Allen has a lot of growing to do before he is good enough to win a Superbowl. Their QB was injured. This team is a Qb away from winning a Super bowl. If we had Mahomes, super bowl. Brees, super bowl Rodgers, super bowl Roethlisberger, super bowl Rivers, super bowl You get the picture. Also, the 49ers were 6-10 in 2017. So theres that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Spot on. There is a psychological factor at work when one team has dominated a division for so long. Ironically, the most apt comparison is the Yankees & Red Sox. The Red Sox had to overcome that psychological hurdle - which was much worse given the near-century time of ownership by the Yankees. They did it in dramatic fashion, which I wouldn't mind - but I'd prefer just blowing the Pats out twice and winning the division easily. We have the best team, and it's not that close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Atlanta should never be used as a football exhibit except as a sad outlier of statistical sorts. Anyone who lives down here will be able to chime in affirmatively. Without digging into pro football reference for the actual year over year numbers of "worst going to first" I feel like that doesn't pass the smell test for a majority of SB winning squads, but I'm happy to admit if I'm wrong on my gut. But we weren’t worst. We were a playoff caliber team. The Rams were 1 and done the year before they went to the SB. This is the NFL. Every year is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) What could possibly go wrong ?? Edited May 18, 2020 by HOUSE 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, MJS said: And yet we haven't won the division or even a playoff game for decades. So no, I disagree. The first step should be winning the division and a playoff game and then we go from there. Obviously the Superbowl is always the goal, but can we realistically expect this team who hasn't won a playoff game to go all the way to the Superbowl? Anyone who thinks we have a Superbowl caliber team right now is wrong. On paper with the sum total of the moves made during this offseason I think anyone would be hard pressed to say this team is still absolutely not super bowl caliber; I think it'd be more accurate to say if they flame out of the playoffs in the first round this year, then they are vastly underperforming the quality of the roster. And in the playoffs, anything can happen, just ask the upstart 10-6 wildcard Eli Manning Giants during the first takedown of Brady in 2007. I think this team has SB caliber potential this year. But I stand by a predicted exit in the AFC title game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: They can beat KC to......just gotta keep our offense on the field and theirs off of it Moss and Motor running it all over KC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 39 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I've been waiting for weeks to know what Jim Kelly's thoughts are on this. [/sarcasm off] As opposed to say, the innumerable talking heads on ESPN who don't give a flip about the Bills? What would make Jim's comments any less newsworthy for discussion on this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Winning the division can't be the goal. I'm sick of baby steps. Win the ***** Super Bowl. heck, I’m good with going to the AFCCG... but they need to win the division and win in the playoffs this year, realistically. once on those big stages there’s some luck but over 16 they need to win the division regardless and should win a home playoff game from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: They can beat Baltimore........with a more potent offense, they would have, last year. KC is a witch......they gonna be good for a little while. If Daboll and the o-line can figure out an answer for the blitzes Baltimore will dial up, as well as their d-line pressure stunts, then I agree with beating Balt. Until then, the Ravens will win most, if not all, of the time. KC will be tough, but I think you have to get pressure on Mahomes. Easier said than done, but you can't beat him with coverage only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TwistofFate said: Jim Kelly made the comment, something's wrong if the Bills don't take the division this year. GMFB weighs in... https://youtu.be/y0jiCzjXeio Jim is right. Too much talent and depth. Folks reference the hard schedule. The Bills should be the hard schedule for most teams they play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Happy said: KC will be tough, but I think you have to get pressure on Mahomes. Easier said than done, but you can't beat him with coverage only. Ed Oliver can weave his way through the lanes and pressure him.........he's good at that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Ed Oliver can weave his way through the lanes and pressure him.........he's good at that. Too soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Capco said: Too soon. Post of the day. Cheers! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Why do people think there is some incremental growth to winning a Super Bowl? Like you have to win and then lose a playoff game first before going to the Super Bowl? You're right. The 49ers didn't need to wait. The Eagles didn't need to wait. Quick turnarounds can and do happen in the NFL and the expectation this year is that we are competing for the Super Bowl. No one will get fired if we lose another wildcard game but no one should be happy with that. Not sure what else we're waiting for at this point. We have the defense in place. We have the QB. We have a solid receiving corps. We have continuity on the coaching staff. If we aren't competing for a Super Bowl this year something did go wrong. Another year of draft picks won't push us over the edge. Either the QB and the coaching staff are ready now or it's fair to question if they ever will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I'll believe that when I see it.... McDermotts record against winning teams is pretty bad to this point. This is exactly why the Bills are not ready to go to a SB this year. It's about McDermott growing as a HC just as much as it is about Josh growing as a QB. I believe Josh is up to the task, McDermott.........we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You're right. The 49ers didn't need to wait. The Eagles didn't need to wait. Quick turnarounds can and do happen in the NFL and the expectation this year is that we are competing for the Super Bowl. No one will get fired if we lose another wildcard game but no one should be happy with that. Not sure what else we're waiting for at this point. We have the defense in place. We have the QB. We have a solid receiving corps. We have continuity on the coaching staff. If we aren't competing for a Super Bowl this year something did go wrong. Another year of draft picks won't push us over the edge. Either the QB and the coaching staff are ready now or it's fair to question if they ever will be. Seahawks needed to wait and they're the SB winning team we resemble most imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Happy said: This is exactly why the Bills are not ready to go to a SB this year. It's about McDermott growing as a HC just as much as it is about Josh growing as a QB. I believe Josh is up to the task, McDermott.........we'll see. McDermott's poor record against top teams isn't that surprising. Both he and Beane had to rebuild the team where they were starting at a point with 17 straight years of no playoffs. This year is the 1st year of Beane/McDermott where the Bills have a team on paper that can beat the top teams. If McDermott fails to beat top teams this year then he should face some criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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