Andy Dalton Released

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

I think he lands in Pittsburgh, 1 year deal behibd Roethlisberger. 

 

Roethlisberger simply can't make it through a 16 game season.   He's only made it through 4 times in his whole career. 

 

Dalton is familiar with the division and would love the chance to make the Bengals pay. 

 

Ps, i don't think anyone wants to play for New England without Brady.   Brady was NE, not Belichick. 

 

 

If I were Dalton, this would be my #1 choice

Ben doesn't have much left physically, he's just not in good enough shape to play much longer

 

 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Thanks for the info Bobby.

 

And even with that, just like cutting Thurney, moving Gilmore to sign Dalton does more harm to the Pats than good.

 

They are better with Thurney or with Gilmore, than they are without them and with Dalton.

 

They are.  Really what does Dalton offer to the Patriots that their Draft and Developed for a year QB doesn't?  I have yet to see that posted to all these Dalton to Pats posts

Edited April 30, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

No, not even close. 

 

Apparently you don't remember how Brady carved us up effortlessly the last time we played him.   

 

 

 

Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season?

 

This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season.  He's another year older.  

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Thanks for the info Bobby.

 

And even with that, just like cutting Thurney, moving Gilmore to sign Dalton does more harm to the Pats than good.

 

They are better with Thurney or with Gilmore, than they are without them and with Dalton.

 

Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them.  No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA.  Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR.  And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

They have 2M in cap space.  now can get 14M quickly by doing something with Thurney.  

 

They need a major Reset and Dalton doesnt do that for them

 

He's a transition QB for a transition program.    He'd be a band-aid, not a long-term replacement...

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season?

 

This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season.  He's another year older.  

He had over 4k yards passing and 24 Tds at 42 years old and nothing on offense besides an Edleman. 

 

Now he has Gronk and two of the best Wrs in the game. 

 

Brady will throw for 5k yards this year and 40+ tds...at 43

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them.  No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA.  Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR.  And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player.

They are an old Roster. and a High Cap % tied into those older players.

 

So if they are looking at their Roster and thinking yeah he need to make one more run before blowing it up then doing what they can to get a QB makes sense (Dalton isnt that QB).

 

They need to go through a reset.  and fix their Cap.  That should start this year, and Dalton or any other QB signing for that matters delays that to be what 8-8

[Freddie's Dead]

Thuney, not Thurney 

Edited April 30, 2020 by Freddie's Dead

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 

He's a transition QB for a transition program.    He'd be a band-aid, not a long-term replacement...

They have that.  They are in transition and need to see what their 4th round QB has, so they can decide what to do in 2021 draft.  Dalton doesn't help their evaluation of that.  If anything it makes the team Worse be the cap moves that would have to be done to fit his contract

[Lurker]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

They have that.  They are in transition and need to see what their 4th round QB has, so they can decide what to do in 2021 draft.  Dalton doesn't help their evaluation of that.  If anything it makes the team Worse be the cap moves that would have to be done to fit his contract

 

Tell that to a fan base spoiled by the last 15 years...  

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Do you remember how he looked like a JV football player in first game we played them last season?

 

This isn't about last year as much as it is about this coming season.  He's another year older.  

 

One bad game against our Top D, but went on to have another Brady season down the line. How did Dalton do last year?

 

BRady had his worst year and ended with a passer rating of 88.0. Dalton had a typical year and ended with a passer rating of 78.3.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well the Pats just got better

Not really

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Lurker said:

 

Tell that to a fan base spoiled by the last 15 years...  

I don't care about a fan base that 50% will be gone in 2 years, heck I am guessing 10% have already jumped ship

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, the only options to clear cap room hurt them far more than Dalton helps them.  No team will trade for Thuney so he'll have to be have the franchise tag removed so that he can become an UFA.  Cutting Sanu removes their 2nd best WR.  And cutting (trade is unlikely) Gilmore removes their best defensive player.

 

Well heck, in that case, PLEASE sign Dalton!

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Not really

I didn’t say that they were good. Adding Dalton though makes them a lot better than they are now.

[MAJBobby]

Here is what they are saying on the Pats board

 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/bengals-release-qb-andy-dalton.1152293/

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I didn’t say that they were good. Adding Dalton though makes them a lot better than they are now.

How if in order to do it will Cost you Gilmore and Sanu, or Thurney and Sanu

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is what they are saying on the Pats board

 

https://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/bengals-release-qb-andy-dalton.1152293/

How if in order to do it will Cost you Gilmore and Sanu, or Thurney and Sanu

I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work.

[Gugny]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

One bad game against our Top D, but went on to have another Brady season down the line. How did Dalton do last year?

 

BRady had his worst year and ended with a passer rating of 88.0. Dalton had a typical year and ended with a passer rating of 78.3.

 

Don't get me wrong ... Brady had a great season.  But there's a reason that there's never been a 43 year old QB play well in the NFL.  

 

I think any QB would do better on the Patriots (with Bill B. and McDaniels) than they would on most other teams ... especially the Bengals.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

58 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

That’s a little aggressive. 

 

It's also completely ridiculous.

 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work.

 

Maybe, I just don't see it.  Does Dalton make this team a SB contender?  I don't think it does.  So why delay the evaluation of Stidham before the 2021 draft.  This team needs a reset, I guess it comes down to BB ego allowing that reset

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that will be the cost. Jameis just signed for $1.1M. Sanu will he gone and they will tweak a bunch of things and kick Dalton money to 2021. They will sign Thuney to lower his cap hit and slide Dalton in. They can make this work.

If the plan is Dalton, don't you keep Sanu? They played together from 12-15 and have that familiarity. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The Pats could easily get Newton or Dalton if they want to fit him in.  They can create cap space pretty easily with a couple cuts.  But if they dont think those guys are the answer long term I think they may just go with Stidham.   I think Dalton would be Bill's choice over Cam but he may not want either.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Maybe, I just don't see it.  Does Dalton make this team a SB contender?  I don't think it does.  So why delay the evaluation of Stidham before the 2021 draft.  This team needs a reset, I guess it comes down to BB ego allowing that reset

That’s what I’m banking on. Honestly, I’m not sure that the Patriots can win the division even with Dalton. With that being said BB isn’t going to let Brady and Gronk go to Tampa and compete while his team is 6-10. He’s going to try to be better. It probably (almost certainly) isn’t the best long-term strategy but it’s the one that I think they will employ. 

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If the plan is Dalton, don't you keep Sanu? They played together from 12-15 and have that familiarity. 

That will be tough to do. 

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

good call, did not think of them

 

no way can Marone and Crew survive a tank year..dont see it

Yet, how can they avoid it?

 

Are they going to go with Minshew the whole season?

 

The Jaguars are definitely favorites for the top pick in next year's draft.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Maybe, I just don't see it.  Does Dalton make this team a SB contender?  I don't think it does.  So why delay the evaluation of Stidham before the 2021 draft.  This team needs a reset, I guess it comes down to BB ego allowing that reset

While I think their roster can be solid, would they prefer tank mode?  I think Belechik is too old and has too much ego for that. Additionally, I don’t recall NE being a team that has drafted particularly well, even during their glory years. It’ll be interesting to see how it goes

[Doc]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s what I’m banking on. Honestly, I’m not sure that the Patriots can win the division even with Dalton. With that being said BB isn’t going to let Brady and Gronk go to Tampa and compete while his team is 6-10. He’s going to try to be better. It probably (almost certainly) isn’t the best long-term strategy but it’s the one that I think they will employ. 

 

I think he believes he can do for Stidham what he believes he did for Brady. 

[Shaw66]

Dalton being released caused me to have this reaction:

 

One thing that impresses me about Beane (and McDermott) is that Beane is patient.    He thinks about all the opportunities, and he understands what opportunities may be coming down the road.  So, for example, Beane (and probably every GM in the league) knew there was a good chance Dalton would be released.   Cap circumstances and team-building logic suggested that the time was coming for the Bengals to move on.  

 

Now, the Bills probably have no interest in Dalton, and I'm not suggesting they should.   He's a better player and probably a marginally better mentor for Allen than Barkley, but neither of them is the future.   Plus, Dalton probably wants a realistic chance to start, and he'll cost too much.   

 

The point is that a good GM is patient.   A lot of things change around the NFL in a few weeks or a few months, and change brings opportunity.   GMs need to wait and be prepared to take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves.   When the Eagles called and asked if the BIlls were interested in Shady McCoy, Rex was ready.  When it looked like the Vikings might be willing to move Diggs, Beane was ready.   Beane didn't overspend on Diggs mid-season last year - he waited.   Beane didn't trade up in the draft - he waited and Epenesa fell to him.   He didn't chase a running back - he waited and Moss fell to him. 

 

And so it is with Belichick.   He has the confidence to wait.   He didn't chase after a new QB in the draft.   He's taking his time, checking options, and if he thinks that Dalton is right for his team, he'll move.   

 

Patience.  

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I think he believes he can do for Stidham what he believes he did for Brady. 

I hope that you are right. I don’t see anything about Stidham that I like. If the rumors are true that McDaniels was pushing for Cam it likely means he doesn’t believe in Stidham either. That’s admittedly speculation on my part but if he thought Stidham was “next” he’d have been all about it. It would be a chance for him to look like a genius. 

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I hope that you are right. I don’t see anything about Stidham that I like. If the rumors are true that McDaniels was pushing for Cam it likely means he doesn’t believe in Stidham either. That’s admittedly speculation on my part but if he thought Stidham was “next” he’d have been all about it. It would be a chance for him to look like a genius. 

He’s only thrown like 4 passes, right? Basically rolling with a rookie 

[Doc]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I hope that you are right. I don’t see anything about Stidham that I like. If the rumors are true that McDaniels was pushing for Cam it likely means he doesn’t believe in Stidham either. That’s admittedly speculation on my part but if he thought Stidham was “next” he’d have been all about it. It would be a chance for him to look like a genius. 

 

 I can't believe that Belicheat's plan was to wait for a QB to be released, versus going with a guy he chose in the draft and has been grooming for the past year.  And Dalton doesn't worry me in any case. 

[CaptnCoke11]

I’m guessing Jacksonville.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s only thrown like 4 passes, right? Basically rolling with a rookie 

2/4 for 14 yards, 1 INT, 1 Sack.

[BillsFanNC]

If he signs with the Pats* can I get my $17 back?  

 

 

 

[Billl]

17 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Yet, how can they avoid it?

 

Are they going to go with Minshew the whole season?

 

The Jaguars are definitely favorites for the top pick in next year's draft.

Minshew was pretty damn good for a rookie who got no first team reps in the offseason.  If Josh throws for 21 TDs, 6 INTs, and 3,300 yards while completing 61% of his passes next year, his biggest supporters will be taking victory laps all over TBD.  Minshew did that in 12 starts and managed to run for 350 yards to boot.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Would you consider Dalton an upgrade over Brady?  I would.

at this stage in their careers, absolutely

[Stank_Nasty]

34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

It's also completely ridiculous.

 

Haha. I was trying to be diplomatic. 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s only thrown like 4 passes, right? Basically rolling with a rookie 

I’m talking Auburn/Baylor too. Maybe I should like him but never really thought too highly of him. I hope I’m right.

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Would never want him as a starter but would make a great backup imo

 

 

IMO in a good system he can be a good starter. Remember that one year?

 

This year, the Pats aren't going to have a good offence. But if they sign him and put some skill players around him he could be very good, I think.

Edited April 30, 2020 by Thurman#1

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I have to ask. What QB was out there, that the Bills could have drafted or signed, that would look better than Josh Allen?

 

You are correct. We did beat them. 

Winston, Cam, and/ or Dalton.  It’s not even a knock on Dalton because those guys have all had big moments in the nfl.  But in an open competition at training camp, do I think they could look better than Allen? Absolutely. 
 

that’s why I think Flacco would be the best option.  He’s better than Barkley (nice guy!) and has real playoff experience so I don’t think the season is over if he has to play.  But he’s not good enough to really threaten Allen at this point.

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

That’s a little aggressive. 

Allen is way more handsome than Dalton (gets a lot closer if Dalton dyes his hair).  Normal Cam is pretty close but Allen wins over weirdo Cam.  

[Marv Levy]

So this move means Joe Burrow gets thrown into the NFL fire? Cincy has Jake Dolegala and Ryan Finley listed as QB. Never heard of either one.

 

"Ok, Joe, get in there and make some magic happen - have fun kid!"