Would You Attend A Bills Game Without A Covid-19 Vaccine?

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

No one said that this Dr. or that Dr. “knew “ anything more than anyone else. I quoted the source of the opinion ; of course he doesn’t know Virtually ALL of the numbers we have been presented are wrong , and yes due to the lack of testing. It’s a hypothetical, not a “ narrative “.Nothing was pushed .I’ve yet to hear or see a Dr. that hasn’t said the vast majority of people will recover , regardless of the exact %. You don’t know what I hope any more than I know what you hope ...and I don’t care. The scenario presented in this poll is really about fear and nothing else. Do not misconstrue my examples as political in nature. At one time AIDS carried with it a tremendous fear of the unknown. I made no political statement on it , YOU did. 

It’s scary, but you may very well be correct. I am taking the poll to mean a Bills game anywhere. I voted yes, although I would absolutely not attend a game in Mexico ! 

 

FTR, I would attend a game. 

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, TroutDog said:

I’d love to say yes but I am 50 and have cancer. Can’t do it, unfortunately. I basically have no immune system. 

We're Bills fans TroutDog.

We're immune to more things than most.

 

Stay strong bud!

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

There is truth to this. Some here are probably too young to know or remember. Early on there was a lot of fear about how one could contract AIDS. Daily life went on before there were vaccines for many things. Ben Carson has stated that about 98% of people who get this Corona v will recover.  It’s an interesting question - would you attend a game?  It’s realistic because it will be most likely be allowed in some areas and not others. 

 

Interesting question indeed. One nobody can really answer without more info that will only come with time. Yes, the vast majority of people will recover, but I hope to do better than just surviving. That’s a pretty low bar for me. 

 

Time will tell, this would be a horrible season to mess with! 

[loyal2dagame]

If there's games this year, and fans can attend,  I'm there. Season tickets be damned. If it's my time to check out so be it. It'll happen by lightening strike, getting hit by a bus,  or attending a Bill's game. 

[aristocrat]

there's worse stuff you can catch at bills games

[Boatdrinks]

9 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

there's worse stuff you can catch at bills games

Could be true. 

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said:

I think I already had it from when I went to Vegas back in January. I had a brutal dry cough and fever for about 4 days even had to miss some school and work. It eventually went away though but it was so random and so brutal it made wonder.

Leon, that’s called a bender.  Bud I’m just kidding as too easy.  I’m glad you’re ok, and if you did, maybe you had a mild case.  Seriously on Easter weekend, happy you’re ok.

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

Billsvet, that is through transmission, not airborne.  Not even in the same ballpark.

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

 

 

 

What?

Has anyone been to a grocery store? People all over. I'll go to a Bills game. Probably handout Bills masks at the gate. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

Um, to the contrary....doctors, public health officials, and so forth knew a huge amount about how HIV/AIDS was transmitted.

They knew you couldn't get it by sitting (or even standing and shout loudly) fully clothed in public.

 

Now there might have been the occasional act that could cause HIV/AIDS transmission in or about the stadium, but risk to the general ticket holder who kept his bousers truckled....Naaaah.

 

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

I would attend a game as long as the curve has been flattened enough that we are not going to overwhelm hospital.  I am not overly worried as I work Int healthcare and see this and much worse on a daily basis.  
 

The fact is the only reason to social distance is just to slow the infection rate and that is working - the problem was always going to be having to many sick at one time.  
 

Based on how the common cold hits every year (usually another Coronavirus type) - I do not think a vaccine is going to be as effective as people think - much like how the flu vaccine changes yearly - I think the vaccine will help reduce duration and severity of the illness, but will not be effective at preventing the disease.

 

If the vaccine is about as effective as flu vaccine and perhaps other public health measures catch on (wearing masks in public, say), it won't be a problem.

The difference between a reproduction number of 1.3 in a partially immune population and a reproduction number of 2.0-2.4 in an immunologically naive population is significant

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um, to the contrary....doctors, public health officials, and so forth knew a huge amount about how HIV/AIDS was transmitted.

They knew you couldn't get it by sitting (or even standing and shout loudly) fully clothed in public.

 

 Now there might have been the occasional act that might have caused transmission in or about the stadium, but risk to the general ticket holder....Naaaah.

 

Her name was Nancy, I couldn’t help myself. Apologies to all offended. 

[4_kidd_4]

Man, my section was awash in sewage at The Ralph that one time in ‘14.

 

Pretty sure I have acquired immunity for pretty much everything after that.

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Her name was Nancy, I couldn’t help myself. Apologies to all offended. 

was it worth it?

[Augie]

Just now, RiotAct said:

was it worth it?

 

I’m still kickin’! 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What?

Has anyone been to a grocery store? People all over. I'll go to a Bills game. Probably handout Bills masks at the gate. 

 

I have, actually.  One of them had about 4 shoppers, all spaced out.

 

Another had a line to get in, with tape on the ground marking where to stand 6 feet apart.  One shopper came out, another went in.  The checkers were wearing masks and gloves behind plexi barriers.

 

Where are you shopping were there are "people all over"?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Will probably go to 1 Bills’ game this year: the Super Bowl.    

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Yes. Except people in the late 70s/early 80s did not know what you and I do now. 

 

FTR, the first recorded AIDS case in the USA occurred in 1981, followed by a cluster in gay men and IV drug users.

 

It was pretty clear from the start that HIV wasn't being transmitted by standing 3 feet away from someone during choir practice at the church and singing, or by attending a large funeral.

 

And also FTR, I was working in a large urban emergency room and graduated from college about that time so I remember those days pretty well.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I have, actually.  One of them had about 4 shoppers, all spaced out.

 

Another had a line to get in, with tape on the ground marking where to stand 6 feet apart.  One shopper came out, another went in.  The checkers were wearing masks and gloves behind plexi barriers.

 

Where are you shopping were there are "people all over"?

Walmart last week. Wegmans 2 weeks ago had a single line to get to check out but no spacing. Walmart had spacing at checkout but only like an on deck box. Other than that packed with people all around. Maybe 1/3 wore masks. Walmart employees had masks.

 

A lot of places seem to be changing by the day.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Walmart last week. Wegmans 2 weeks ago had a single line to get to check out but no spacing. Walmart had spacing at checkout but only like an on deck box. Other than that packed with people all around. Maybe 1/3 wore masks. Walmart employees had masks.

 

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant what locality or state.  If it's Buffalo/Erie County that's extremely disappointing to hear.

[Bring it]

Just for myself I would attend a game without a vaccine. BUT,  I don’t want to give it someone else!

 

Some of the few positives are that maybe we all will appreciate our families and friends more! I know I am learning to be grateful for every new day because with or without this virus we are not ever guaranteed a tomorrow!!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant what locality or state.  If it's Buffalo/Erie County that's extremely disappointing to hear.

Cheektowaga. Sams Club was bad also, but again I went there 2 weeks ago. Now I read they have hand washing stations and other changes.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Cheektowaga. Sams Club was bad also, but again I went there 2 weeks ago. Now I read they have hand washing stations and other changes.

 

I live in St Louis and overall, we seem to be taking it pretty seriously around here.  People cutting way back on shopping and so forth.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I live in St Louis and overall, we seem to be taking it pretty seriously around here.  People cutting way back on shopping and so forth.

Everytime I drive by Wegmans it's packed with cars.

[Rochesterfan]

38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um, to the contrary....doctors, public health officials, and so forth knew a huge amount about how HIV/AIDS was transmitted.

They knew you couldn't get it by sitting (or even standing and shout loudly) fully clothed in public.

 

Now there might have been the occasional act that could cause HIV/AIDS transmission in or about the stadium, but risk to the general ticket holder who kept his bousers truckled....Naaaah.

 

 

If the vaccine is about as effective as flu vaccine and perhaps other public health measures catch on (wearing masks in public, say), it won't be a problem.

The difference between a reproduction number of 1.3 in a partially immune population and a reproduction number of 2.0-2.4 in an immunologically naive population is significant

 

I agree, but people talk like it will be the MMR vaccine - once immunized you will be safe forever.  I think it will be more like the flu where you get benefits from it, but people can still get sick.  Coronavirus already causes common repeat infections like the common cold - it will be interesting (and scary) to see where this goes.

 

As I said - it wouldn’t necessarily stop me from going, but I understand why it would stop others.  The vaccine is not the thing that would stop me from going or allow me going to a game.  The infection rate and where we are nationally would determine my timing to go.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Rochesterfan

[H2o]

Yes, because I'm not getting a vaccine regardless.

[hondo in seattle]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree, but people talk like it will be the MMR vaccine - once immunized you will be safe forever.  I think it will be more like the flu where you get benefits from it, but people can still get sick.  Coronavirus already causes common repeat infections like the common cold - it will be interesting (and scary) to see where this goes.

 

As I said - it wouldn’t necessarily stop me from going, but I understand why it would stop others.  The vaccine is not the thing that stop me or have me going to a game.  The infection rate and where we are nationally would determine my timing to go.

 

There are 7 human coronaviruses  - 4 of which are responsible for the common cold.  There isn't a vaccine or proven treatment for any of them.    Coronaviruses are hard nuts to crack.  

 

On the other hand, I don't think there's ever been so many labs spending so much money looking to solve a particular communicable disease.     

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

There is truth to this. Some here are probably too young to know or remember. Early on there was a lot of fear about how one could contract AIDS. Daily life went on before there were vaccines for many things. Ben Carson has stated that about 98% of people who get this Corona v will recover.  It’s an interesting question - would you attend a game?  It’s realistic because it will be most likely be allowed in some areas and not others. 

 

Ben's a retired neurosurgeon, not an epidemiologist.  He's not an expert.  

 

But let's say he's right.  If you get this highly contagious disease, there's a 1 chance in 50 you die.  It's a significant enough possibility that I avoid people outside my own immediate family, wash my hands a lot, carry hand sanitizer with me at all times, and wear a mask when going to public places.  

Another concern...  Under normal circumstance, according to the data collected thus far, an infected person will typically infect 2-3 others.  I don't want to inadvertently get someone else sick and potentially kill them.    I'm not going to any games.

[Success]

It’s been said here, but finding an effective treatment is more of a key for the year ahead.

 

If they have something that dramatically changes the outlook if you contract it, sure I’d go...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

There are 7 human coronaviruses  - 4 of which are responsible for the common cold.  There isn't a vaccine or proven treatment for any of them.    Coronaviruses are hard nuts to crack.  

 

On the other hand, I don't think there's ever been so many labs spending so much money looking to solve a particular communicable disease.     

 

The reason there isn't a vaccine for the common cold is that it's just a nuisance, not because coronaviruses are so tough to work with.

 

All vaccines have side effects.  There's no motivation to develop a vaccine for a seasonal, mild illness with negligible serious morbidity or mortality.

[Rochesterfan]

24 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

There are 7 human coronaviruses  - 4 of which are responsible for the common cold.  There isn't a vaccine or proven treatment for any of them.    Coronaviruses are hard nuts to crack.  

 

On the other hand, I don't think there's ever been so many labs spending so much money looking to solve a particular communicable disease.     

 

Agreed - the issue then becomes mutations.  
 

The Coronavirus is tough to get a good handle on and the shape and nature make it that much harder to produce a vaccine that is both effective and provides longer term benefits.  
 

[Beast]

6 hours ago, Whites Bay said:

Hard Pass.  F No.  My best childhood friend is getting a trach tube today having fought for his life on a vent for two weeks.  Only a true and utter idiot would take this thing lightly, or consider it a "simple flu".  Good luck with that.  I'll send flowers.  Maybe dead ones.

 

And there's not going to be a vaccine this year anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

Now, as for televising games without a crowd, they'll essentially be like the first week of college bowl games in December, when Northeast Central Missouri A&T plays Mount St. Mary's Sisters of the Blind.  The game looks good until they pan away, or get a field level shot.  And then you realize there are 4 people at the 50 yard line, and three of them are the coach's siblings.  But with clever camera work, you don't even know.

If there are no crowds there will be no games.

 

The NFL is not going to let players take the risk of catching the virus from one another on the playing field or in the locker room.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

Agreed - the issue then becomes mutations.  
 

The Coronavirus is tough to get a good handle on and the shape and nature make it that much harder to produce a vaccine that is both effective and provides longer term benefits. 

 

Well, I could be shooting from the hip here, but judging by the number of candidate vaccines that have hurried into clinical trials, I'm not sure that's the case at all.  I know I looked at the thing's structure and said "hot diggity dog, what an epitope target!" which seems to be the reaction of my friends still working in industry.  I'd like to hear what your basis is for saying that, but the discussion should probably hop over to the Covid-19 discussion thread.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, I could be shooting from the hip here, but judging by the number of candidate vaccines that have hurried into clinical trials, I'm not sure that's the case at all.  I know I looked at the thing's structure and said "hot diggity dog, what an epitope target!" which seems to be the reaction of my friends still working in industry.  I'd like to hear what your basis is for saying that, but the discussion should probably hop over to the Covid-19 discussion thread.

 

Hey! Nothing makes me say “hot diggity dog” more than “an epitode target!”   

 

 

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Edited April 11, 2020 by Augie

[BillsMafi$]

Absolutely 

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said:

I think I already had it from when I went to Vegas back in January. I had a brutal dry cough and fever for about 4 days even had to miss some school and work. It eventually went away though but it was so random and so brutal it made wonder.

 

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Leon, that’s called a bender.  Bud I’m just kidding as too easy.  I’m glad you’re ok, and if you did, maybe you had a mild case.  Seriously on Easter weekend, happy you’re ok.

Billsvet, that is through transmission, not airborne.  Not even in the same ballpark.

 

Haven't you heard? What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, you should be fine!!?

[Helpmenow]

Yes. 

[Boatdrinks]

43 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

If there are no crowds there will be no games.

 

The NFL is not going to let players take the risk of catching the virus from one another on the playing field or in the locker room.

 

 

I would be surprised if there isn’t an NFL season. Huge amounts of money to leave on the table. A player strike would shut it down though,  and I guess that’s a possibility. 

[Don Otreply]

12 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Although I was unable to be tested, my symptoms and my doc indicate that I probably had the ‘Rona already, so I’d like to think I’d be good to go whenever the season starts. 

Glad you came through it okay ?

[formerlyofCtown]

Id attend a Bill's game right now.  I don't plan on ever gettong a vaccine.

14 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Although I was unable to be tested, my symptoms and my doc indicate that I probably had the ‘Rona already, so I’d like to think I’d be good to go whenever the season starts. 

Glad you came through it. 

 

I had the Heineken about an hour ago and the Budlight before that.

[Punching Bag]

It depends on what restrictions on the gate and ticketing requirements.

IMO they are far too restrictive and they need to allow fans to bring in what it is reasonable to bring.

Bringing in a bottle of Jack Daniels saying the alcohol is to kill the virus is not.