Brandon cooks/4th round pick traded to Texans for pick 57

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

He still beat us, as sad as that is.

 

And that will be the last time for quite a while.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Yep.........for the BILLS! Let’s ship all that talent out of the AFC. 

 

Seriously, what is wrong with this guy that everybody wants him, but only briefly. 

I believe that the Rams did this merely to clear cap space.  They over spent on their super bowl run and now the bill is due.  They also spent a bunch on Jalen Ramsey.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Call BOB now Beane!  Yeldon and a 6th for Watt and Tunsil?

[MJS]

How the heck does this guy keep getting traded every season?

[Buffalo Junction]

17 minutes ago, MJS said:

How the heck does this guy keep getting traded every season?

No clue, but I hope there’s some type of tell all later on. 

[Rochesterfan]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Independent of the Hopkins trade I like this trade for the Texans. But in totality the two moves clearly leave the team worse than it was before.

 

The big reason I would disagree is the money Cooks gets.  Now I know that LA paid a bunch, but man this guys is overpayed big time for what he provides.  He is going to be a cut candidate shortly to get his salary back in line and now he is your cut candidate.

 

In this draft - I would rather have a cost controlled 2nd round rookie that might need time to develop over a highly paid veteran than has not lived up to his hype in 3 other cities.

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

7th year, 4th team. IMO,  Low end #1, top end #2 WR.
 

 

 

They already have Will Fuller who meets the above description.

 

Another odd trade. 

[Kirby Jackson]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

He wouldn't trade Hopkins within the conference.  And he hates Brian Gaines.

That doesn’t change the fact that he’s a moron capable of anything. Every GM should be trying to deal with him. He’s Jason Botterill. 

[aristocrat]

so basically we should offer bob foster and a fifth for jj watt

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

He still beat us, as sad as that is.

 

I don't think he is a terrible coach. I think he is slightly above average. He is a terrible General Manager. 

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

O’Brien? He’s an idiot, capable of anything. I’m not even sure what I’d want? Mercilus?

I'd ask for JJ Watt, but we'd probably have to take Booger of ESPNs hands too

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

O’Brien? He’s an idiot, capable of anything. I’m not even sure what I’d want? Mercilus?

Hi Bill, I hope you're safe and doing well. I was thinking and I think I've got a really good idea to help both of our teams. We'll give you every player on our roster with the last name Williams plus a 2021 5th round pick, and in return you give us every player on your roster whose last name starts with Wat. It's a heck of a deal! Think about it. 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Randall Cobb and Cooks on the same teams seems a but redundant, but I think it will help Watson. But losing Hopkins is just inexcusable. 

 

I think Cooks and Fuller are more the pair I don't see together. Cobb will play in the slot I'd imagine like he did for Dallas last year. With those 3 and Stills they have 4 capable and competent receivers even if replacing an all world player in Hopkins is tough and they have a very good Quarterback. Their oline did get a little better last year and with Tytus Howard and Max Scharping in their second year it is reasonable to expect another incremental step there. The Texans will still put up points. The issue is can they stop anybody? Their defense is in dire need of a talent infusion and they have one 2nd, one 3rd, two 4th and a 5th (plus three 7ths). They have to hit home runs on some of those mid round picks. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

How the heck does this guy keep getting traded every season?

"Hey, Mister G.M., I am trying to build my closet full of game worn jerseys, Ryan Fitzpatrick level.  Can you help me out?"

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I hope Cooks and the fourth rounder decide to volunteer in the Civilian Covid Corps, fighting the bug instead of playing for the BOB.  ?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That doesn’t change the fact that he’s a moron capable of anything. Every GM should be trying to deal with him. He’s Jason Botterill. 

 

I have no doubt Beane has tried/is trying.  Too bad he's not coaching an NFC team.

[Sherlock Holmes]

14 hours ago, DJB said:

Bob making trades

 

 

I thought his $#!+ don't stink?!?!?!

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Hi Bill, I hope you're safe and doing well. I was thinking and I think I've got a really good idea to help both of our teams. We'll give you every player on our roster with the last name Williams plus a 2021 5th round pick, and in return you give us every player on your roster whose last name starts with Wat. It's a heck of a deal! Think about it. 

Yesssss yesssss, 1st they need to trade for TJ then ughhhh yesssssss

[Mr. K]

Is McVay still a genius?

 

 

13 hours ago, aristocrat said:

at least we're not texans fans

I thought the same thing. Then I thought Im kinda glad were not Rams fans either. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

They basically traded away Hopkins and pick number 57 for Brandin Cooks (on a big contract) pick 43 and a future 4th round pick. BOB is the worst GM in the league. They could have easily gotten the Diggs package for Hopkins while still trading for Cooks and had pick 22 instead of 47 and still have pocketed the 4th in 2021 AND gotten extra mid round picks. 

 

I mean the hopkins deal is so bad in a vacuum that adding this deal to it makes the sum of the deals terrible.  This isn't a bad deal imo.  Guys gone over 1000 yards receiving in 4 of 6 years.  Between him, fuller, stills, cobb they have a pretty good crew, and you tack on a RB who's more flexible than Hyde.  Only problem is like all of these guys are injury concerns.

 

And when you factor in that all of his guaranteed money is already paid out, its basically a year to year deal at this point, and super flexible from a cap perspective - you can move base salary to further years etc.  

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Cooks and Fuller are more the pair I don't see together. Cobb will play in the slot I'd imagine like he did for Dallas last year. With those 3 and Stills they have 4 capable and competent receivers even if replacing an all world player in Hopkins is tough and they have a very good Quarterback. Their oline did get a little better last year and with Tytus Howard and Max Scharping in their second year it is reasonable to expect another incremental step there. The Texans will still put up points. The issue is can they stop anybody? Their defense is in dire need of a talent infusion and they have one 2nd, one 3rd, two 4th and a 5th (plus three 7ths). They have to hit home runs on some of those mid round picks. 

 

Just feels like every year they're getting busy NOT paying players.  Then trading for others.  It's strange.  

[Kirby Jackson]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I have no doubt Beane has tried/is trying.  Too bad he's not coaching an NFC team.

I mean obviously O’Brien would rather trade out of conference but he’s a moron. He gave 2 1sts, a 2nd and 2 players for Tunsil, Stills, a 4th & 6th. That was within the AFC. The guy’s an idiot and capable of anything. He’s, by miles, the worst GM in football. Just keep calling and wait him out!! 
 

If they had a guy that I wanted I would leak to a source in the media that said guy criticized O’Brien. I’d make the guy out to be a bad guy. My next phone call would be to O’Brien to see if he wanted to unload this locker room problem.

[MrEpsYtown]

How the hell is Cooks only 26 years old? That blows my mind. I feel like he’s an 8 year vet. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by MrEpsYtown

[947]

Cooks is a 1-trick pony, going deep. He's one of the best at it, but he's not a complete WR & is undersized. This make little sense for the Texans, since they already have  Will Fuller who doesn't excel at anything other than going deep. I don't think Houston has the O-Line to feature a gunslinging downfield base offense. Add in Cooks' concusion issues & Fuller's constant injuries, and this has a low chance of success. I expect Watson to take a beating this year.

[Happy]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is a terrible coach. I think he is slightly above average. He is a terrible General Manager. 

 

Your post makes me recall someone else mentioning this same thing a few months back -- O'Brien is a good game planner and strategist, but a horrible GM.  The Hopkins trade certainly demonstrates this.

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I mean obviously O’Brien would rather trade out of conference but he’s a moron. He gave 2 1sts, a 2nd and 2 players for Tunsil, Stills, a 4th & 6th. That was within the AFC. The guy’s an idiot and capable of anything. He’s, by miles, the worst GM in football. Just keep calling and wait him out!! 
 

If they had a guy that I wanted I would leak to a source in the media that said guy criticized O’Brien. I’d make the guy out to be a bad guy. My next phone call would be to O’Brien to see if he wanted to unload this locker room problem.

 

I'm sure BOB didn't view the Dols as a threat and coveted Tunsil (who turned out to be a Pro Bowler last year, and they're going to have to pay through the nose to keep him).  Meanwhile his team just barely beat the Bills in the playoffs so why would he help them by, say, trading them Hopkins?  Sure he's a moron but he's not so stupid that he doesn't know who his competition is, and if he truly  didn't care who he traded to, Hopkins would be a Bill.  They had more to offer.

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'm sure BOB didn't view the Dols as a threat and coveted Tunsil (who turned out to be a Pro Bowler last year, and they're going to have to pay through the nose to keep him).  Meanwhile his team just barely beat the Bills in the playoffs so why would he help them by, say, trading them Hopkins?  Sure he's a moron but he's not so stupid that he doesn't know who his competition is, and if he truly  didn't care who he traded to, Hopkins would be a Bill.  They had more to offer.

You’re giving him way too much credit. He turned around and drafted another OT in the first in 2019. Obviously he’d prefer to not deal with an AFC team. That goes without saying. The point is, that he is on the losing end of every deal that he makes. Even if you make a “lesser” deal with him you probably end up winning it. I’m not saying that there is a deal to be made. I’m saying, shoot for something that you think is unlikely because he has a track record of losing trades. I’m nervous that Miami is going to offer him a couple (or even 3) 1sts for Watson and he’s going to take it. All of a sudden Miami is a force. They would have turned a very good LT into an elite QB essentially. That’s BOB in a nutshell. If he’s handing out free money I’m just saying make the call and see if he will give you some.

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You’re giving him way too much credit. He turned around and drafted another OT in the first in 2019. Obviously he’d prefer to not deal with an AFC team. That goes without saying. The point is, that he is on the losing end of every deal that he makes. Even if you make a “lesser” deal with him you probably end up winning it. I’m not saying that there is a deal to be made. I’m saying, shoot for something that you think is unlikely because he has a track record of losing trades. I’m nervous that Miami is going to offer him a couple (or even 3) 1sts for Watson and he’s going to take it. All of a sudden Miami is a force. They would have turned a very good LT into an elite QB essentially. That’s BOB in a nutshell. If he’s handing out free money I’m just saying make the call and see if he will give you some.

 

He's not going to be able to trade Watson.  There is no way his owners will let him trade him, period.

 

And I don't myself giving him credit.  Sure people can be stupid/crazy, but that doesn't mean everything they do is stupid/crazy.  The Bills are a threat to him.  The Dols last year were not and the Cardinals and Rams this year are not.  At best i could see him trading for a Biils player, but I doubt he'd give them a great offer, again because it's his competition. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

He's not going to be able to trade Watson.  There is no way his owners will let him trade him, period.

 

And I don't myself giving him credit.  Sure people can be stupid/crazy, but that doesn't mean everything they do is stupid/crazy.  The Bills are a threat to him.  The Dols last year were not and the Cardinals and Rams this year are not.  At best i could see him trading for a Biils player, but I doubt he'd give them a great offer, again because it's his competition. 

That’s where we disagree. So far, every trade that he’s made he has lost IMO. That’s why he is so heavily criticized around the league. Most people win some and lose some. The bad GMs win 30% of the time and lose 70%; the greats are the opposite. BOB is operating with like a 10% win ratio (at best). 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s where we disagree. So far, every trade that he’s made he has lost IMO. That’s why he is so heavily criticized around the league. Most people win some and lose some. The bad GMs win 30% of the time and lose 70%; the greats are the opposite. BOB is operating with like a 10% win ratio (at best). 

 

I agree that on every trade he's made, he's lost.  The thing is he's made those trades with teams who aren't a threat to him.

[dave mcbride]

To be fair, Cooks is a good player. As for him being traded a lot, it is the case that he has always gotten a pretty high return.

[C.Biscuit97]

It’s not a bad deal if Cooks didn’t have big injury concerns and they didn’t make that awful Hopkins deal.  Fuller and Cooks are very similar players who can’t stay healthy.  
 

has any player been traded for more high picks than Cooks?  I believe it’s 2 1sts and a 2nd, all by playoff teams.  Wild. 

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, 947 said:

Cooks is a 1-trick pony, going deep. He's one of the best at it, but he's not a complete WR & is undersized. This make little sense for the Texans, since they already have  Will Fuller who doesn't excel at anything other than going deep. I don't think Houston has the O-Line to feature a gunslinging downfield base offense. Add in Cooks' concusion issues & Fuller's constant injuries, and this has a low chance of success. I expect Watson to take a beating this year.

 

Fuller can't stay healthy granted Cooks has been banged up before (although as much ***** as Cooks gets for being injury prone he played 16 games a season from 2015 to 2018.) I think they feel that they need at least one downfield option to stay healthy for their offense to function. I guess it is a better gamble to just have 2 guys who can do that and hope one can stay on the field. If all 4 can stay healthy (which is unlikely) they could use Fuller as a gadget player which might expand that offense. 

[cba fan]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s not a bad deal if Cooks didn’t have big injury concerns and they didn’t make that awful Hopkins deal.  Fuller and Cooks are very similar players who can’t stay healthy.  
 

has any player been traded for more high picks than Cooks?  I believe it’s 2 1sts and a 2nd, all by playoff teams.  Wild. 

a first was also traded on draft day to move up to get him in the first by Saints. Ominous future tell.

 

on a positive note, he may be almost highest value given up ever for a traded player in totality in NFL history. Multiple 1st rounders.+

[billsfan89]

5 minutes ago, cba fan said:

a first was also traded on draft day to move up to get him in the first by Saints. Ominous future tell.

 

on a positive note, he may be almost highest value given up ever for a traded player in totality in NFL history. Multiple 1st rounders.+

 

RGIII would come to mind (2 future firsts and a second along with the 6th pick that was swapped back), also the H.Walker trade was a lot of picks. But Cooks if you count the draft day trade cost teams 3 first round picks (NO trade up, NE pick, and the LA pick) and a 2nd round pick. That's quite the haul if you add it all up. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

O’Brien? He’s an idiot, capable of anything. I’m not even sure what I’d want? Mercilus?

He’d probably give us JJ Watt for a lifetime supply of Buffalo Wings. And probably would throw in the rest of their draft picks along with it ?

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

He’d probably give us JJ Watt for a lifetime supply of Buffalo Wings. And probably would throw in the rest of their draft picks along with it ?

Wouldn’t hurt to ask ??‍♂️

[Mat68]

9 hours ago, Mr. K said:

Is McVay still a genius?

 

 

I thought the same thing. Then I thought Im kinda glad were not Rams fans either. 

The LA Rams problem has been the eroding of the teams core.  They went flashy on defense without depth.  I question the scouting of the Rams.  The good players drafted were selected under Fisher.  Since they went flashy, sure they hit gold with Kupp but that is it.