Karlos Williams making a comeback

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I’m not giving Ralph a pass for firing Polian over name calling...sorry

 

I still blame Ralph, for putting himself and Polian in that position in the first place. The bad decision was already made well before Polian called her any names.

9 minutes ago, chris heff said:

If nepotism were eliminated from family owned business a whole lot more people would be unemployed. The irony is that Polian took exception to the nepotism and then years later hired his son.

 

I'm not saying to eliminate nepotism. I'm saying if you are going to go that route, you need to be ready to hear your family member is an idiot.

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes, they retained him for continuity sake.  He didn't get the job done (and I'm sure there was stuff behind the scenes we don't know about) and then they moved on.  And were ultimately proven right.

Yeah, Whaley sucked. The Pegulas gave him an extension, got their Goebbels to start rewriting history to make him look better, then when things became untenable they finally cut bait. And we are all better for it.

[BuffaloBills1998]

I liked Williams but he could not stay healthy if his life depended on it. Too many concussions 

[Royale with Cheese]

26 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

It’s an insult which people usually fling when they’ve been exposed in a debate.  I’m good with that 

 

No it's not.  You're just being a little sensitive.

[Phil The Thrill]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I still blame Ralph, for putting himself and Polian in that position in the first place. The bad decision was already made well before Polian called her any names.

 

I'm not saying to eliminate nepotism. I'm saying if you are going to go that route, you need to be ready to hear your family member is an idiot.

This I can agree with ??

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, Whaley sucked. The Pegulas gave him an extension, got their Goebbels to start rewriting history to make him look better, then when things became untenable they finally cut bait. And we are all better for it.

 

WTF are you even talking about?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, chris heff said:

And he’s still a jerk. Article in the Athletic by Matthew Fairburn. Takes no responsibility, blames anyone and everything.

 

“You know what’s funny?” Williams said. “When I was in Buffalo, I knew something was wrong when they drafted Jonathan Williams. I knew something was up. Y’all had alternative plans. Y’all bring Reggie Bush to camp and allowed him to practice? Reggie Bush went negative rushing yards for the season. And y’all release me? Doug Whaley can eat a dick. Doug Whaley can die in a hole and drink bleach. I’m dead serious. The reason I didn’t play in the XFL is because Doug Whaley’s name was on it. I’m dead serious.”

 

I bet he won't say it to Whaley's face!

[Don Otreply]

Straight from the Antonio Brown school of public relations, everyone welcome Karlos (the fat azs) Williams, ?????????????????

 

[DrDawkinstein]

One interesting point and a big knock I'll give Whaley, even as a "Whaley Apologist" ? is that all players, whether class-acts like Fitz/Freddie/Eric Wood, dumbasses like Karlos, or somewhere in between like Aaron Williams... ALL seem to hate him.

 

I might say it's because everyone hates their boss and the guy who ultimately cuts/trades/negotiates against their contract, but I get the exact opposite feeling of how players feel about Beane when they jump at the chance to re-sign with him or follow him to another team.

[Mr. WEO]

Offseason+pandemic=6 pages on Karlos Williams lol

 

Whaley was a straight up bum.

[billsfan89]

Karlos Williams was such a beast that first year, 5.6 yard per-carry and 9 TD's in 11 games. But the dude got high on his own supply more quickly than any player I have ever seen. He went from promising rookie season to never playing a down in the NFL ever again. Even Travis Henry had three 1,000 yard seasons during his career over the course of seven seasons before imploding off the field completely. Karlos Williams rookie year was solid but not exactly a breakout season, but he showed up like a star on the backend of his career with a huge guarantee in his sophomore NFL season? 

 

How much of a ****head must you be to not even be able to put together back to back good NFL seasons when you are on a rookie deal? Then he constantly gets suspended after two second chances with a quality organization like the Steelers and even now at the age of 26 going on 27 he could still honestly revive his career if he played well in the CFL or XFL and was humble. But he hasn’t learned anything being out of the leage the last 4 seasons. He still sounds like a ****head. 

 

As much as I thought Whaley was an average GM (Good at pro-personnel decisions bad at drafting) he gave Karlos a shot at the NFL and cut him after he showed up fat and a malcontent after one solid season. 

[Doc]

57 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, Whaley sucked. The Pegulas gave him an extension, got their Goebbels to start rewriting history to make him look better, then when things became untenable they finally cut bait. And we are all better for it.

 

Do you deny that last part?  They kept him around for continuity's sake and fired him when they realized it wasn't working.  Did you think they'd fire him immediately or keep him and say "well, he sucks but he's here so we'll keep him"?

 

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

WTF are you even talking about?

 

Who knows?  I think he's a big Whaley fan.

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

One interesting point and a big knock I'll give Whaley, even as a "Whaley Apologist" ? is that all players, whether class-acts like Fitz/Freddie/Eric Wood, dumbasses like Karlos, or somewhere in between like Aaron Williams... ALL seem to hate him.

 

I might say it's because everyone hates their boss and the guy who ultimately cuts/trades/negotiates against their contract, but I get the exact opposite feeling of how players feel about Beane when they jump at the chance to re-sign with him or follow him to another team.

That is true... seems like a pattern

[FireChans]

56 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

WTF are you even talking about?

Talking about how the company line from 2015-2016 was how great of a move that was from Doug Whaley specifically.  You would have thought Nix never worked here.

Edited April 9, 2020 by FireChans

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, PIZ said:

He’ll only be 27 in May. He was a beast. We had high hopes for him. I’d rather get AJ Dillon for a big back, but I’m not sure he’s as fast as Karlos. 
 

Curiuos, but did Karlos also say the following? It’s the first thing I thought of when I read the topic of the post. 
 

 

I'm gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I'm gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I'm gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out
I'm gonna knock you out
Mama said knock you out

ha! The exact song running through my head too.
 

“they call it a comeback?”

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Do you deny that last part?  They kept him around for continuity's sake and fired him when they realized it wasn't working.  Did you think they'd fire him immediately or keep him and say "well, he sucks but he's here so we'll keep him"?

 

 

Who knows?  I think he's a big Whaley fan.

I think Whaley sucked, which has been obvious from virtually every post of mine in this thread. It’s your ability to follow a conversation which impresses me most.

 

Saying they kept him for continuity’s sake is also a cop out. The Pegulas LIKED Whaley. Every report from when they took over said the same. That’s why they extended him. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by FireChans

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If Whaley was such a good GM why is he in the XFL? No other NFL team wanted anything to do with him when we released him. 

I mean there is a host of reasons. He was Pittsburghs coordinator of pro personnel, another successful team thought highly of him

 

He Also said football is a sport humans shouldn't be playing..  maybe when you work in football you shouldn't make a statement like that

[CA OC Bills Fan]

As has been said before, Karlos had a beast of a rookie season but then couldn't get out of his own way. Many of us felt even before he showed up fat and then had drug suspensions that his style of play would lead to a short NFL career due to concussions.

 

I realize that many here don't subscribe to the Athletic and therefore only see the soundbites that were quoted. He was going to just coach HS football but now is trying to make a comeback in the CFL. He does take responsibility for what happened. He said he loves Buffalo, loved the team, but HATES Doug Whaley. He implied he felt he was lied to when said they'd support him and felt Whaley was two faced when in the same press conference he said Karlos was released due to performance and that the Bills were standing behind Dareus because he just needed help (then Dareus said he's checking himself into a clinci and was seen the same night partying out on the town.

 

This is also in the article:

“When I look back on that, I wasn’t shocked,” Williams said. “A year ago, a year and a half ago, I would still be bitter and be mad. I wasn’t shocked. Look at all the evidence that was against me. I didn’t really treat football … I wasn’t a real professional. I had gotten suspended for four games. I came back and I was overweight. I had just let the media run wild. I was saying anything to the media just to get them off my back.

“I wasn’t actually practicing because I was a danger to myself, hurting myself because the weight was unsafe. I didn’t take it seriously. So when I got released I was like, ‘Woah, it’s game day and you didn’t give me a chance to perform.’ That’s not true. I had a chance to perform all offseason. I had a chance to work out, I had a chance to eat right. I had those opportunities. I just didn’t take advantage of those opportunities.”

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

One interesting point and a big knock I'll give Whaley, even as a "Whaley Apologist" ? is that all players, whether class-acts like Fitz/Freddie/Eric Wood, dumbasses like Karlos, or somewhere in between like Aaron Williams... ALL seem to hate him.

 

I might say it's because everyone hates their boss and the guy who ultimately cuts/trades/negotiates against their contract, but I get the exact opposite feeling of how players feel about Beane when they jump at the chance to re-sign with him or follow him to another team.

I don’t think Sammy is a fan of Beane.  

Edited April 9, 2020 by C.Biscuit97

[Phil The Thrill]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t think Sammy is a fan of Beane.  

Where’s your evidence?

 

Also why bring up Beane?  We’re talking about Whaley.

[BuffaloMatt]

Maybe Whaley likes eating dick and drinking bleach. 

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I still blame Ralph, for putting himself and Polian in that position in the first place. The bad decision was already made well before Polian called her any names.

 

I'm not saying to eliminate nepotism. I'm saying if you are going to go that route, you need to be ready to hear your family member is an idiot.

No I don’t have to be prepared for that. It was my money, I took the risk I signed the paychecks. That risk that we took, the fact that we provided 125 people with jobs, whether it is me or a family member that deserves respect whether an idiot or not. Ralph’s situation was the same, Polian wasn’t entitled to that position what he did was arrogant and stupid.

[Phil The Thrill]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

No I don’t have to be prepared for that. It was my money, I took the risk I signed the paychecks. That risk that we took, the fact that we provided 125 people with jobs, whether it is me or a family member that deserves respect whether an idiot or not. Ralph’s situation was the same, Polian wasn’t entitled to that position what he did was arrogant and stupid.

The difference is the risk worked out better for you.  How did it would out for Bills fans?   I’d argue firing Polian over a personal reason was foolhardy

[chris heff]

1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said:

The difference is the risk worked out better for you.  How did it would out for Bills fans?   I’d argue firing Polian over a personal reason was foolhardy

I’d argue that making business decisions based on how the fans feel is a fool’s errand. Every topic on this site is proof.

[Nebillzfan]

how about putting in the work to keep in shape. You get to play a sport that pays very well is not a right bro...its a privilege! Eating bear claws two at a time in the off-season isn't going to keep you in shape. 

[YoloinOhio]

Remember how he twisted up his nuts that one year in TC and had to go to the hospital 

[DrDawkinstein]

31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t think Sammy is a fan of Beane.  

 

Eh, maybe, or maybe he's happy he got dealt out of Buffalo.

 

26 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Where’s your evidence?

 

Also why bring up Beane?  We’re talking about Whaley.

 

I brought up Beane. Read the post he quoted and was responding to.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

"Make Karlos Great Again" -  where's New Era when you need them?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

As I recall, wasn’t the problem Karlos’s girlfriend? She was pregnant and he gained some sympathy weight. 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think Whaley sucked, which has been obvious from virtually every post of mine in this thread. It’s your ability to follow a conversation which impresses me most.

 

Saying they kept him for continuity’s sake is also a cop out. The Pegulas LIKED Whaley. Every report from when they took over said the same. That’s why they extended him. 

 

It's cute you think I follow you.  I was just asking about the Pegula Propaganda comment. 

 

And yes they initially liked him...until they didn't.  Happens all the time everywhere.  That it's some revelation to you impresses me most.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, chris heff said:

And he’s still a jerk. Article in the Athletic by Matthew Fairburn. Takes no responsibility, blames anyone and everything.

 

“You know what’s funny?” Williams said. “When I was in Buffalo, I knew something was wrong when they drafted Jonathan Williams. I knew something was up. Y’all had alternative plans. Y’all bring Reggie Bush to camp and allowed him to practice? Reggie Bush went negative rushing yards for the season. And y’all release me? Doug Whaley can eat a dick. Doug Whaley can die in a hole and drink bleach. I’m dead serious. The reason I didn’t play in the XFL is because Doug Whaley’s name was on it. I’m dead serious.”

aaaaaaaaand comeback attempt is over.

[Nuncha]

Yea Karlos - it was Doug Whaley's fault you weighed 1,000 lbs and had zero work ethic after your rookie season.  It's Doug's fault you were doing drugs and flunked a drug test.  Look in the mirror and you will see who to blame.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, chris heff said:

No I don’t have to be prepared for that. It was my money, I took the risk I signed the paychecks. That risk that we took, the fact that we provided 125 people with jobs, whether it is me or a family member that deserves respect whether an idiot or not. Ralph’s situation was the same, Polian wasn’t entitled to that position what he did was arrogant and stupid.

BP was neither, was it short sighted on BPs part? Answer is no, Bill was already financially set for life at that point.  Ralph in effect cut his nose off to spite his face, and the Bills spiraled into the abyss a few years after BP left.  Never be afraid to speak truth to power. 

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited April 9, 2020 by Don Otreply

[BmarvB]

Stop whining! You brought your troubles on yourself, be a man about it...smdh

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

It's cute you think I follow you.  I was just asking about the Pegula Propaganda comment. 

 

And yes they initially liked him...until they didn't.  Happens all the time everywhere.  That it's some revelation to you impresses me most.

I mean, it’s common courtesy to follow a conversation before you jump in. Especially if you’re going to go to all that trouble to make incorrect assumptions and look foolish.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

well he's not too far off about whaley.

 

 

kid gets his ***** straight, he's a beast on the field. never know, he may come back with a big chip and pound that rock down the opponents throat!

[Just Joshin']

Well Golden Corral is shut down so he is probably losing weight.

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, it’s common courtesy to follow a conversation before you jump in. Especially if you’re going to go to all that trouble to make incorrect assumptions and look foolish.

 

No, I just asked you about the foolish "Pegula proganda" comment.  Again, people fall out of favor all the time.  Hopefully you've learned something.

[Nick the Greek]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Apparently @Phil The Thrill is Karlos Williams. BUSTED!!

 

Karlos is a jackass. I met him at Gabriel's Gate, and he was a nice enough dude. But he also sat there and crushed about 40 wings, and then showed up to camp a couple of weeks later fat and out of shape. That's all on him.

 

You're a RB in the NFL, dude. Probably the most easily replaceable. Whaley gave you a shot as a 5th round pick, and you blew it.

 

 

 

 

He crushed about 40 wings. LMAO that is hilarious man.?

[longtimebillsfan]

8 hours ago, chris heff said:

And he’s still a jerk. Article in the Athletic by Matthew Fairburn. Takes no responsibility, blames anyone and everything.

 

“You know what’s funny?” Williams said. “When I was in Buffalo, I knew something was wrong when they drafted Jonathan Williams. I knew something was up. Y’all had alternative plans. Y’all bring Reggie Bush to camp and allowed him to practice? Reggie Bush went negative rushing yards for the season. And y’all release me? Doug Whaley can eat a dick. Doug Whaley can die in a hole and drink bleach. I’m dead serious. The reason I didn’t play in the XFL is because Doug Whaley’s name was on it. I’m dead serious.”

And he is trying to prove that it was a mistake to release him???? I don't do this often, but I agree with Whaley's decision on this one. Wow!