NewEra Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) They’ve talked a lot about how much they love versatile players. Considering how much they love it, I expect them to draft versatile players again this year. would be nice to trade back and get an additional pick so we can trade up for one of the 2nd rd targets. rd 1- Kyle Dugger. Does it get more versatile on D? Could they get away with running with Dugger, Milano and Tremaine as base 4-3 LBs and then also in nickel and dime subsets? Dugger can literally play everything not on the DL. He would add a wrinkle to the defense not many others can add. They showed how much that they value that position when they drafted Shaq Thompson. They named a “nickel coach”. rd 2- Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that will probably go rd 1. Trade up for him. 6’2 225 Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need. Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that may go rd 1. Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need and a perfect compliment to Singletary. Going to be really tough to get both he and Dugger but i think it could be worth the picks Or rd 2- Chase Claypool. Was great at the combine. I’m just ok on his tape, but it doesn’t get much more versatile than him at WR/TE. Tenacious blocker and huge target with speed. rd 3-4- Lynn Bowden. Can play everything except OL and TE on O. Can really throw the ball that adds a threat not many other playmakers have. Edited March 5, 2020 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Yeah I can’t see dugger in the first round, I think they’d target someone more like Chasson who can play off the ball or edge rusher 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: They’ve talked a lot about how much they love versatile players. Considering how much they love it, I expect them to draft versatile players again this year. would be nice to trade back and get an additional pick so we can trade up for one of the 2nd rd targets. rd 1- Kyle Dugger. Does it get more versatile on D? Could they get away with running with Dugger, Milano and Tremaine as base 4-3 LBs and then also in nickel and dime subsets? Dugger can literally play everything not on the DL. He would add a wrinkle to the defense not many others can add. They showed how much that they value that position when they drafted Shaq Thompson. They named a “nickel coach”. rd 2- Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that will probably go rd 1. Trade up for him. 6’2 225 Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need. Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that may go rd 1. Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need and a perfect compliment to Singletary. Going to be really tough to get both he and Dugger but i think it could be worth the picks Or rd 2- Chase Claypool. Was great at the combine. I’m just ok on his tape, but it doesn’t get much more versatile than him at WR/TE. Tenacious blocker and huge target with speed. rd 3-4- Lynn Bowden. Can play everything except OL and TE on O. Can really throw the ball that adds a threat not many other playmakers have. 1. The Bills take a Division II Safety with their 1st Round pick....... People on TSW: 1 minute ago, WMDman said: Yeah I can’t see dugger in the first round, I think they’d target someone more like Chasson who can play off the ball or edge rusher Chaisson isn't making it past Atlanta 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Jack of all trades, master of none. I’ll pass on these multi-position guys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, WMDman said: Yeah I can’t see dugger in the first round, I think they’d target someone more like Chasson who can play off the ball or edge rusher I just am not a Chasson fan. He scares me as having a high bust potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: I just am not a Chasson fan. He scares me as having a high bust potential. I agree, but I was just going off the point of the OPs topic of versatility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Jack of all trades, master of none. I’ll pass on these multi-position guys. Tweener type players are very risky esp early on since they can often get lost at positions. Although a guy being versatile isn't a bad thing. Deboo from the Niners is a good example of a player who is a quality receiver who can do other things that improves his overall contribution. That type of versatility is a good thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 The versatility concept is nice in theory but not as practical even though NE is lauded for it. I'd like WR's who know how to run routes and aren't splitting their time at RB. On defense, sure, some DLinemen kick inside on passing downs, but a team isn't smarter because there's a player they can move around the field. And I think collectively this board would explode if they add another 1st round pick to their defense. It'd reek of a team that's talking about offense and only that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, NewEra said: They’ve talked a lot about how much they love versatile players. Considering how much they love it, I expect them to draft versatile players again this year. would be nice to trade back and get an additional pick so we can trade up for one of the 2nd rd targets. rd 1- Kyle Dugger. Does it get more versatile on D? Could they get away with running with Dugger, Milano and Tremaine as base 4-3 LBs and then also in nickel and dime subsets? Dugger can literally play everything not on the DL. He would add a wrinkle to the defense not many others can add. They showed how much that they value that position when they drafted Shaq Thompson. They named a “nickel coach”. rd 2- Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that will probably go rd 1. Trade up for him. 6’2 225 Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need. Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that may go rd 1. Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need and a perfect compliment to Singletary. Going to be really tough to get both he and Dugger but i think it could be worth the picks Or rd 2- Chase Claypool. Was great at the combine. I’m just ok on his tape, but it doesn’t get much more versatile than him at WR/TE. Tenacious blocker and huge target with speed. rd 3-4- Lynn Bowden. Can play everything except OL and TE on O. Can really throw the ball that adds a threat not many other playmakers have. I think these guys are certainly on their radar. I don’t think pick 22 will be Dugger though but can see them taking him in the 2nd or even making a small move up from their second if he gets within reasonable striking distance. But yeah, they do love versatility. This is a great draft for Beane, lots of talented and versatile players all over it. 20 minutes ago, H2o said: 1. The Bills take a Division II Safety with their 1st Round pick....... People on TSW: Chaisson isn't making it past Atlanta Yeah I can’t see him getting near our pick and think he likely doesn’t make it to Atlanta even personally. I’d love to land him, but his combine I think locked him into going well before our pick. But the wildcard will be QBs and WRs. If a run on both goes early, some major talent is gonna slide then who knows, he could start sliding down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 As do all coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think these guys are certainly on their radar. I don’t think pick 22 will be Dugger though but can see them taking him in the 2nd or even making a small move up from their second if he gets within reasonable striking distance. Yeah, I don’t think either guy will make it to our pick in the 2nd. That’s why we trade back from 22 and then trade up with the assets we got in the trade back. Maybe take Gibson first and Dugger 2nd. He could go rd 1 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Yeah, I don’t think either guy will make it to our pick in the 2nd. That’s why we trade back from 22 and then trade up with the assets we got in the trade back. Maybe take Gibson first and Dugger 2nd. He could go rd 1 imo. Do you think Epenesa will be there at 22? I think he is a possibility if he is there and the right WR is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Mickey said: Do you think Epenesa will be there at 22? I think he is a possibility if he is there and the right WR is not. I hope epenesa isn’t there so we don’t take him. Reminds me of shaq. Solid, yet unspectacular. I’d prefer drafting someone other than him. I think he’s lucky the draft is weak in top end edge pass rushers minus young. Not much else beside Chaisson and he’s not really even regarded that high. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope epenesa isn’t there so we don’t take him. Reminds me of shaq. Solid, yet unspectacular. I’d prefer drafting someone other than him. I think he’s lucky the draft is weak in top end edge pass rushers minus young. Not much else beside Chaisson and he’s not really even regarded that high. I agree. While I get the sense McBeane value production more than anything, I also think they value athleticism that lends itself to scheme flexibility (and who doesn’t?). I just feel Epenesa’s lack of athleticism will be exposed at the next level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hope epenesa isn’t there so we don’t take him. Reminds me of shaq. Solid, yet unspectacular. I’d prefer drafting someone other than him. I think he’s lucky the draft is weak in top end edge pass rushers minus young. Not much else beside Chaisson and he’s not really even regarded that high. Edge is not happening in RD 1 It's WR, CB maybe OT if someone slides (never gonna happen). Spending a RD1 pick on a S McD's scheme is very unlikely, both of our starters were picked up off the scrap heap - can find productive players cheaper in FA or in the mid RDs of the draft IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 No way to Dugger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: I agree. While I get the sense McBeane value production more than anything, I also think they value athleticism that lends itself to scheme flexibility (and who doesn’t?). I just feel Epenesa’s lack of athleticism will be exposed at the next level. I’m not so sure.... I think he’s a viable option for teams looking to shore up their edge run defense and run a nitro/nascar package. Epenesa probably isn’t the guy you want at DE on 3rd and 10, but if he slides to DT in that situation there’s value. It certainly limits the number of teams though. 2 hours ago, NewEra said: They’ve talked a lot about how much they love versatile players. Considering how much they love it, I expect them to draft versatile players again this year. would be nice to trade back and get an additional pick so we can trade up for one of the 2nd rd targets. rd 1- Kyle Dugger. Does it get more versatile on D? Could they get away with running with Dugger, Milano and Tremaine as base 4-3 LBs and then also in nickel and dime subsets? Dugger can literally play everything not on the DL. He would add a wrinkle to the defense not many others can add. They showed how much that they value that position when they drafted Shaq Thompson. They named a “nickel coach”. rd 2- Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that will probably go rd 1. Trade up for him. 6’2 225 Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need. Antonio Gibson- I really hope he wears a bills uniform this year. He’s my 2nd rd crush that may go rd 1. Rb/WR that can go the distance at any moment. Exactly what we need and a perfect compliment to Singletary. Going to be really tough to get both he and Dugger but i think it could be worth the picks Or rd 2- Chase Claypool. Was great at the combine. I’m just ok on his tape, but it doesn’t get much more versatile than him at WR/TE. Tenacious blocker and huge target with speed. rd 3-4- Lynn Bowden. Can play everything except OL and TE on O. Can really throw the ball that adds a threat not many other playmakers have. Currently dreaming of replacing McKenzie with Bowden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Beane is VERY unlikely to trade down...if anything he is more likely to trade up to get his guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: I’m not so sure.... I think he’s a viable option for teams looking to shore up their edge run defense and run a nitro/nascar package. Epenesa probably isn’t the guy you want at DE on 3rd and 10, but if he slides to DT in that situation there’s value. It certainly limits the number of teams though. Currently dreaming of replacing McKenzie with Bowden. Yeah me too. Even gaines. Someone. I like the lil guy but I feel that his size (and small catch radius) really limits his effectiveness with our QB. He’s good for certain things and not others. Would be nice to add someone that can do it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: Beane is VERY unlikely to trade down...if anything he is more likely to trade up to get his guy. Or.........do both. Trade down, then back up when his guy is still on the board. That wouldn’t surprise me at all. If we know anything, it’s that he’s not afraid to move a move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Tweener type players are very risky esp early on since they can often get lost at positions. Although a guy being versatile isn't a bad thing. Deboo from the Niners is a good example of a player who is a quality receiver who can do other things that improves his overall contribution. That type of versatility is a good thing. Love taking a shot on tweener type in the 6th round (Vosean Joseph). Still believe he's gonna be a player. Just not sure about investing high picks in these guys. It's an interesting thought and football is shifting both offensively and defensively in that ballcarriers/passcatchers have become much more versatile and safeties/LB's have become intertwined. I just feel like you can wait a bit for these guys because teams around the league are not necessarily willing to give up premium picks for tweeners just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: I hope epenesa isn’t there so we don’t take him. Reminds me of shaq. Solid, yet unspectacular. I’d prefer drafting someone other than him. I think he’s lucky the draft is weak in top end edge pass rushers minus young. Not much else beside Chaisson and he’s not really even regarded that high. As I remember it Shaq looked explosive at times while at Clemson. Can’t say as much for Epenesa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Edge is not happening in RD 1 It's WR, CB maybe OT if someone slides (never gonna happen). Spending a RD1 pick on a S McD's scheme is very unlikely, both of our starters were picked up off the scrap heap - can find productive players cheaper in FA or in the mid RDs of the draft IMO He’s a safety and much more. He can do so much and allows the defensive play caller a lot of options. Might not be the best player but he could be the best fit if he doesn’t come off the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Jack of all trades, master of none. I’ll pass on these multi-position guys. I’d take Simmons in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, CommonCents said: As I remember it Shaq looked explosive at times while at Clemson. Can’t say as much for Epenesa. He did? I view them as similar players when they’re productive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, NewEra said: He did? I view them as similar players when they’re productive Yeah, even on a bum knee he was beasting in a NCG. Not that he ever had elite bend but he looked more athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 I've seen speculation that Antonio Gibson could switch to running back in the NFL. I think I could buy into that. He measured 6' and weighed 228 at the combine while running 4.39 in the 40. You know the guy can catch a football, but he did play running back in high school and had reps there in college as well. Lance Zierlein says he has an intriguing combination of size, burst, vision and power. The Draft Network says he deserves consideration on the back end of day two in the draft (round 3). There are things he needs to work on. I think I might try to go edge rusher in the first (Gross-Mattos if I can get him) Denzel Mims or Claypool in round 2 and Antonio Gibson as a running back in round 3. I'd maybe look for a linebacker in round 4. Of course, that all depends on how the draft unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, NewEra said: Yeah me too. Even gaines. Someone. I like the lil guy but I feel that his size (and small catch radius) really limits his effectiveness with our QB. He’s good for certain things and not others. Would be nice to add someone that can do it all. Are you talking about Bowden? IMO he’s surprisingly good at elevating, boxing out DBs, and catching passes in traffic. Kid just makes plays and has a bit of that Steve Smith edge. I’ll take that any day. Plus, he’s a former QB which - I think - adds value in Daboll’s scheme due to complexity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 17 hours ago, NewEra said: I hope epenesa isn’t there so we don’t take him. Reminds me of shaq. Solid, yet unspectacular. I’d prefer drafting someone other than him. I think he’s lucky the draft is weak in top end edge pass rushers minus young. Not much else beside Chaisson and he’s not really even regarded that high. Not sure I agree but then again, if he is there at 22 then the league consensus is that he is nothing to get excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Seems like Gibson is generally considered a 3rd-4th round prospect. It would be pretty shocking to see him get taken in the 1st as you mentioned in the OP. Dugger I think is a realistic option. He could end up being available to us in the 2nd round but his all-around skillset is something I'm sure McDermott would love to have. There will be higher rated safety prospects on the board when we pick, though again, I think Dugger's all-around skillset might place him higher on our board than others like Delpit for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 On 3/4/2020 at 1:20 PM, WMDman said: Yeah I can’t see dugger in the first round, I think they’d target someone more like Chasson who can play off the ball or edge rusher Claypool in the 1st Dugger in the second . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Beane seems to love BPA "according to need" actually.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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