IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102838/article/vontaze-burfict-reinstated-after-12game-suspension Quote Burfict is training at his alma mater, Arizona State, where his former Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis is serving as a co-defensive coordinator. Burfict's agent, Peter Schaffer, told Pelissero the linebacker has spent the offseason watching tape and speaking to coaches, league executives and additional experts about proper code of conduct. "He is serious, Shaffer said, about coming back and doing things the right way," he added. One of the greatest linebacker talents in all of football. Lockdown run defender, very decent in pass coverage and, most importantly, never misses a tackle. And, he can play ILB pretty well too - so insurance if Edmunds has to sit for some reason. Very very smart football mind. If it works out, he wont just replace Lorax - he will be a huge upgrade over Lorax. Can likely be had for cheap. The flip side is his "head" - he plays recklessly and has racked up over 4 million in fines. Several opposing players have called him dirty and that name has merit. However, his teammates have always said great things about him - he is a "process" McD kinda guy who will do his 1/11. If he is serious about improving his conduct by eschewing dirty plays - he might turn out to be the best signing of the offseason. I also have faith that our defense's discipline with McD & Frazier at the helm can really help him out. Anyway, he could likely be had for 2-3 mill per year without significant guarantees - so I dont see any downside from trying him out. Edited February 26, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay 2 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 HARD pass 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 You really can’t see any downside? 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I haven’t seen Beane or McDermott bring in a ‘second’ chance player yet. There is a first time for everything. Does Seattle run a scheme how would be good in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I haven’t seen Beane or McDermott bring in a ‘second’ chance player yet. There is a first time for everything. Does Seattle run a scheme how would be good in? Tyrel Dodson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Didn’t we just have a thread on this a few days ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 He’d certainly bring an edge to the defense, but I’m in no way convinced he can color between the lines. Some guys aren’t bright enough to realize they’re throwing a lucrative career away ... I’d look elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I haven’t seen Beane or McDermott bring in a ‘second’ chance player yet. There is a first time for everything. Does Seattle run a scheme how would be good in? Duke Williams? Tyrel Dodson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 McD on Burfict: https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/things-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-had-say-about-the-bengals/CjA1AHM00wq76SAu1FxwWI/ Quote They certainly have a talented back end, a veteran back end, and led by Vontaze Burfict in the middle,” McDermott said. “A lot of it goes through No. 55 (Burfict) and his role in this defense is a big part of their success and I think the continuity they’ve had is key as well, in particular in the middle with Vontaze and some of the secondary positions also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) Oh yes - Burfict's definitely a process guy - he'll fit right in! He can help provide some of that veteran leadership our retiring Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee brought to the team too, am I right? Edited February 26, 2020 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102838/article/vontaze-burfict-reinstated-after-12game-suspension One of the greatest linebacker talents in all of football. Lockdown run defender, very decent in pass coverage and, most importantly, never misses a tackle. And, he can play ILB pretty well too - so insurance if Edmunds has to sit for some reason. Very very smart football mind. If it works out, he wont just replace Lorax - he will be a huge upgrade over Lorax. Can likely be had for cheap. The flip side is his "head" - he plays recklessly and has racked up over 4 million in fines. Several opposing players have called him dirty and that name has merit. However, his teammates have always said great things about him - he is a "process" McD kinda guy who will do his 1/11. If he is serious about improving his conduct by eschewing dirty plays - he might turn out to be the best signing of the offseason. I also have faith that our defense's discipline with McD & Frazier at the helm can really help him out. Anyway, he could likely be had for 2-3 mill per year without significant guarantees - so I dont see any downside from trying him out. Surely you can't be serious....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: McD on Burfict: https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/things-bills-coach-sean-mcdermott-had-say-about-the-bengals/CjA1AHM00wq76SAu1FxwWI/ Dude this was back in October - he was talking the opponent up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, BobChalmers said: Dude this was back in October - he was talking the opponent up. Dude this was October of 2017 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) This thread title reminds me of that AT&T commercial with the surgeon: ”Guess who just got reinstated! Well, not officially... “ Edited February 26, 2020 by YoloinOhio 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 FWIW, here is his teammate coming to his defense after NFL announced the suspension: I remember several of us arguing Jones' hit on Josh Allen was a lot worse and Jones was not even ejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markaf431 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Come on man. You’re reaching. No way. This is not a process player, hell he’s such a loose cannon he doesn’t want to be an NFL player. Over 4 million in fines? He has no regard for anyone’s personal safety. the hardest pass possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, pop gun said: Surely you can't be serious....... I think the OP is serious. But then again, nobody is Berfict! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Duke Williams? Tyrel Dodson? I was speaking about character or discipline issues. Dodson is fair. Why do you bring up Duke? Because of college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I was speaking about character or discipline issues. Dodson is fair. Why do you bring up Duke? Because of college? Yes. For that matter, even Ogletree - who was the Giants Team Captain last year - had a DUI and a drug suspension coming out of college. And the Bills were certainly seriously considering adding Antonio Brown last off-season. So it is not like McBeane only go for saints (no pun there). I certainly think Beane should do his due diligence on Burfict. He may choose to pass - but it is not as clear cut a No as a majority of the posters appear to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 we were Richie Incognito's second or third chance. He was good here. Burfict could be good, I have no clue if he can control himself. If the Bills bring him in I trust they've done their homework. Nice to feel this way about a FO. I hope we look into it, and then make an informed decision. Just now, IgotBILLStopay said: Yes. For that matter, even Ogletree - who was the Giants Team Captain last year - had a DUI and a drug suspension coming out of college. And the Bills were certainly seriously considering adding Antonio Brown last off-season. So it is not like McBeane only go for saints (no pun there). I certainly think Beane should do his due diligence on Burfict. He may choose to pass - but it is not as clear cut a No as a majority of the posters appear to believe. I'd take a couple of the Saints players~! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Talk about a culture killer and cancer to the team as a whole. Abso-freakin-lutely not..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 He is not even that good anymore. This is 2020, not 2013. The guy hasn't played a full season in forever. I love the off season. Nothing more fun than pawing through all the "Oh, look, a name I recognize..." FA posts. I think there should be a fine imposed on anyone who, between now and August 1st, uses any of the following phrases in a post: 1. kick the tires 2. change of scenery 3. lunch pail guy 4. veteran leadership 5. high motor 6. takes plays off 7. locker room headache/cancer 8. downhill runner 9. road grader 10. so and so is a great athlete 11. stretches the field 12. character issues 13. tremendous upside 14. high character guy 15. great ball skills 16. sneaky fast 17. plays well in space Feel free to add your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Hard pass. We already have a kicker. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mickey said: He is not even that good anymore. This is 2020, not 2013. The guy hasn't played a full season in forever. I love the off season. Nothing more fun than pawing through all the "Oh, look, a name I recognize..." FA posts. I think there should be a fine imposed on anyone who, between now and August 1st, uses any of the following phrases in a post: 1. kick the tires 2. change of scenery 3. lunch pail guy 4. veteran leadership 5. high motor 6. takes plays off 7. locker room headache/cancer 8. downhill runner 9. road grader 10. so and so is a great athlete 11. stretches the field 12. character issues 13. tremendous upside 14. high character guy 15. great ball skills 16. sneaky fast 17. plays well in space Feel free to add your own. Does this one count, “ he was a raw talent coming out” or maybe anything to do with being precise vs accurate.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Talk about a culture killer and cancer to the team as a whole. Abso-freakin-lutely not..... His on field recklessness does not make him a team cancer or culture killer. On the contrary, teammates have gone out of the way to say what a great teammate he was. Here is his long time coach Marvin Lewis talking about him: https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/22/marvin-lewis-explains-why-bengals-took-risk-vontaze-burfict/ Quote Lewis went on in the interview to note what a great person Burfict is off the field, which was always the case during his time in Cincinnati. Looks like Burfict has also. on occasion, been unfairly targeted by the NFL. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670675-marvin-lewis-defends-vontaze-burfict-after-lb-receives-75000-fine Quote "I don't think he did anything wrong," Lewis said. "We were not in the wrong here, in my opinion. And it's unfortunate. That's what I have told and stood on and will continue to. ... I don't think he meant to do anything." https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730300-marvin-lewis-says-vontaze-burfict-has-changed-as-lb-faces-5-game-suspension Quote Burfict hit Sherman when he was not the intended receiver on a passing play, but Lewis said none of the defenseless receiver rules should have come into effect in that instance. He believes the linebacker holds a strong case to get the suspension reduced or removed, per Terrell. "Sometimes in interpretation things got lost, and hopefully Vontaze will prevail," Lewis said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 Here is Derek Carr on what kind of teammate Burfict (didnt know Burfict was a team captain) was: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/raiders/derek-carr-passionately-defends-suspended-raiders-lb-vontaze-burfict Quote Raiders players stuck up for their captain and defensive field general, saying he wasn’t the vicious aggressor he’s notorious for being. Quarterback Derek Carr, who always toes the company line and gives at times politically correct answers, was passionate and vocal in Burfict’s defense. “The hard thing for me to understand is we say we are all about people, but sometimes we don’t get to know people,” Carr said. “I think he’s one of the most misunderstood people in the NFL. I didn’t know anything about him except what some friends who are from L.A. and played high school football with him told me. And when he showed up, he quickly turned into one of my favorite teammates I’ve ever had. He’s one of the most genuine, awesome people I’ve ever been around. He’s a great teammate, he works his tail off and he’s a great guy to be honest with you. I know that he’s had history at places, but I think people change.” Quote “I don’t think he was trying to hurt that man,” Carr said. “That man was going down, you see it all the time. There are flags flying everywhere, but if we think about football, the guy caught it here and he’s already going to hit him and he’s starting to go down. Obviously, you are going to hit him a little higher than you expected. We see other people choking people out and they’re going to play this Sunday. We see people hitting people in the helmets and they’re going to play this Sunday, and Vontaze Burfict won’t play the rest of the year. I think that’s a little excessive if you ask me.” Quote “He’s a great person, his heart is broken because he’s not playing football,” Carr said. “The guy just wants to play football. We don’t get a lot of time to play this game in our lives. Some of us don’t get a lot of years to do this. I’ve broken many of bones, I’m sure he’s had plenty of injuries, so to end it for something like that for a whole season, it puts another year on your legs. There’s a lot that goes into that, and that I guess we just throw out the window. I know the history situation and all that kind of stuff, but this one, especially with what went on during the week, if we are going to fair, we need to be fair with everybody.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I haven’t seen Beane or McDermott bring in a ‘second’ chance player yet. There is a first time for everything. Does Seattle run a scheme how would be good in? I don’t see him fitting in there but I’m remembering him as a liability in Coverage. ( and I mean in addition the head hunting) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I'm hard pressed to think of a player I want less than Vontaze Burfict. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Yes. For that matter, even Ogletree - who was the Giants Team Captain last year - had a DUI and a drug suspension coming out of college. And the Bills were certainly seriously considering adding Antonio Brown last off-season. So it is not like McBeane only go for saints (no pun there). I certainly think Beane should do his due diligence on Burfict. He may choose to pass - but it is not as clear cut a No as a majority of the posters appear to believe. Thanks. I am not arguing, for me I see Burfict as a different player than Brown, even more so when Beane called about Brown last year. How is Burfict in the locker room? Edited February 26, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: His on field recklessness does not make him a team cancer or culture killer. On the contrary, teammates have gone out of the way to say what a great teammate he was. Here is his long time coach Marvin Lewis talking about him: https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/22/marvin-lewis-explains-why-bengals-took-risk-vontaze-burfict/ Looks like Burfict has also. on occasion, been unfairly targeted by the NFL. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670675-marvin-lewis-defends-vontaze-burfict-after-lb-receives-75000-fine https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730300-marvin-lewis-says-vontaze-burfict-has-changed-as-lb-faces-5-game-suspension No, he is the exact type of player the Bills want to avoid. Forget about what a great teammate he is, because his true character comes through time and again when he takes really unnecessary shots on opposing players and causes injury or serious risk of injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 If Burfict would have played back in the day with Butkis, Nagerski, or Deacon Jones he would have been one of the best that ever player because that's the way they all played back then, every play they tried to rip some ones head off but today game for obvious reasons is much different . I have always liked Burfict for his passion of the game & how he plays his position but his actions on the field aren't real good wasn't he the one that tagged AB ? That dud e has never been right in the head ever since !! If he is serious about not being the player he was & playing the game with in the parameters set up in the rules i think he would be a great get & could be a leader in the locker room but i don't see McD taking the chance given his history . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: How is Burfict in the locker room? As good a teammate as you can ask for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Nothing but a LAMP. 100% NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102838/article/vontaze-burfict-reinstated-after-12game-suspension One of the greatest linebacker talents in all of football. Lockdown run defender, very decent in pass coverage and, most importantly, never misses a tackle. And, he can play ILB pretty well too - so insurance if Edmunds has to sit for some reason. Very very smart football mind. If it works out, he wont just replace Lorax - he will be a huge upgrade over Lorax. Can likely be had for cheap. The flip side is his "head" - he plays recklessly and has racked up over 4 million in fines. Several opposing players have called him dirty and that name has merit. However, his teammates have always said great things about him - he is a "process" McD kinda guy who will do his 1/11. If he is serious about improving his conduct by eschewing dirty plays - he might turn out to be the best signing of the offseason. I also have faith that our defense's discipline with McD & Frazier at the helm can really help him out. Anyway, he could likely be had for 2-3 mill per year without significant guarantees - so I dont see any downside from trying him out. You do realize there's no monetary compensation on this message board for clicks, right? I state this because from what we know of Burfict both on the collegiate and pro level and what we have in McBeane, how would this compute as a good idea? The guy's a head case and has no place in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, T master said: If Burfict would have played back in the day with Butkis, Nagerski, or Deacon Jones he would have been one of the best that ever player because that's the way they all played back then, every play they tried to rip some ones head off but today game for obvious reasons is much different . I have always liked Burfict for his passion of the game & how he plays his position but his actions on the field aren't real good wasn't he the one that tagged AB ? That dud e has never been right in the head ever since !! If he is serious about not being the player he was & playing the game with in the parameters set up in the rules i think he would be a great get & could be a leader in the locker room but i don't see McD taking the chance given his history . I have a differing view.... A lot of players could be Butfict-like but they just choose to play the game clean. Playing dirty shouldn’t earn earn someone a comparison to Butkus, Nagerski or Jones. Those players were excellent in an era when player safety was of no concern. Burfict has never been excellent. Edited February 26, 2020 by Binghamton Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 ...anybody have "Stomp" Haynesworth on speed dial?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...anybody have "Stomp" Haynesworth on speed dial?........ Taking your comparison a step further - Haynesworth actually had his only two All-Pro seasons exactly the season after the "stomping" incident. So, you are saying Burfict has a chance at an All-Pro season if signed by the Bills?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Taking your comparison a step further - Haynesworth actually had his only two All-Pro seasons exactly the season after the "stomping" incident. So, you are saying Burfict has a chance at an All-Pro season if signed by the Bills?? ...All Preparation-H Team......honorable mention to the "Excedrin Headache Club".......quite the intriguing Fisher-Price wi fi thread, right?....YAWN...BTW, is Ray Carruth out yet?............ Edited February 26, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KauaiBuffaloSports Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 This guy has missed almost 20% of his NFL career due to suspensions. We constantly complain on here about guys who are always injured (myself included) and can't make it on the field. This guy chooses (with his actions) time and time again that he doesn't have restraint when he plays. Also, I am sick of defending Bills players that have character issues because of how talented they are, and in the long-run, they end up hurting the team (Marcell Dareus comes to mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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