CorkScrewHill Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Sounds like trending in a very positive direction. Like his potential as a piece in our rotational line. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/21/buffalo-bills-harrison-phillips-acl-really-well/ 11 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BLUES Brothers Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Horrible Harry was one of those guys l really wanted the Bills to draft and was happy when we got him in the 3rd round. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Good to hear, keep up the good work HP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think he would Have been the clear starter at 1t by the end of the year If he had been healthy. Looking forward to seeing what he can do when back up and going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Really good news! Need him back stronger than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 He was IMO our best DT at the time of injury. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Makes JP even more of a challenge to keep. I say let him test the market and if he comes back as Spotrac states at $6.25 mil. Then would be even better on the inside. I still want Ngokue, and Hooper. Draft two WR’s and an edge rusher and we are set, after we get late Dillon. It would be great in a mid round to get a RT to share time with Nsekhe, and move Ford to LG. Let Spain walk unless we keep Ford at RT, and make an offer for Spain. My perfect off season along with extending ones we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 24 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Makes JP even more of a challenge to keep. I say let him test the market and if he comes back as Spotrac states at $6.25 mil. Then would be even better on the inside. I still want Ngokue, and Hooper. Draft two WR’s and an edge rusher and we are set, after we get late Dillon. It would be great in a mid round to get a RT to share time with Nsekhe, and move Ford to LG. Let Spain walk unless we keep Ford at RT, and make an offer for Spain. My perfect off season along with extending ones we want. they've already stated that's exactly what they are doing..... I moved on from Jordan phillips over a month ago when beane said he earned the right to test the market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: Sounds like trending in a very positive direction. Like his potential as a piece in our rotational line. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/21/buffalo-bills-harrison-phillips-acl-really-well/ Just the point that they refer to Harrison Phillips as a replacement for Jordan Phillips. I am not competent to judge his positional flexibility, but that isn't the role was playing before the injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Makes JP even more of a challenge to keep. I say let him test the market and if he comes back as Spotrac states at $6.25 mil. Then would be even better on the inside. I still want Ngokue, and Hooper. Draft two WR’s and an edge rusher and we are set, after we get late Dillon. It would be great in a mid round to get a RT to share time with Nsekhe, and move Ford to LG. Let Spain walk unless we keep Ford at RT, and make an offer for Spain. My perfect off season along with extending ones we want. Wouldn’t say makes it a challenge to keep him... Makes it easier to let him walk and let another team over pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: Sounds like trending in a very positive direction. Like his potential as a piece in our rotational line. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/21/buffalo-bills-harrison-phillips-acl-really-well/ This is a piece by Chris Brown on Buffalobills.com from which the above seems to pull info and quotes. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/harrison-phillips-an-inside-look-into-the-lessons-learned-during-his-recovery-fr Some interesting points not covered in the OP link: -He emphasizes that the Bills training staff is really big on not pushing it too hard. In the past, some successful rehabbing athletes have said "whatever the trainers tell you to do, do twice as much". I guess the question is whether our trainers are already telling him to do the right amount and those guys weren't having the athlete do enough. -How high-tech the training is - using GPS trackers to measure his running speed for example, and telling him to step up or back off. ""I'll say, 'Hey guys, you know I feel really good. We were doing 600 pounds on leg press. I want to do 700. I think I have it.' And they'll send me an article saying why you shouldn't push up to 90 percent of your max on this exercise. They have so much knowledge. They're so smart. I'm just learning so much about the why." -How he assumed more of a DL-assistant role and traveled with the team at the end of the season: ""I started doing more in a sort of assistant coaching role," he said. "When the players would come to me on the sideline and Jerry (Hughes) and Shaq (Lawson) would ask, 'Hey what rush should we do on this play?' And I said, 'Hey I would run this game.' And then they went out there and ran that game and got a sack. Well I really felt like I was more part of the team" -How he had inherited the on-field pass rush calling duties from Kyle Williams "Phillips had inherited the on-field pass rushing play call duties from Kyle Williams in 2019. He far and away did the most film study to put together a pass rush plan, and either he or Lorenzo Alexander would call them on the field pre-snap". With 'Zo gone makes it seem more critical to get Phillips back on the field. [I should add, I'm a little bit skeptical of the all-encompasing wisdom of athletic trainers when it comes to athlete peak performance. I have several friends into distance bike racing (mtn bike, centuries etc) who were pretty good and got with a high-tech trainer who gave them all sorts of output-driven guidance and it didn't entirely have the hoped-for results of improving on what they did just going "balls-out and beyond". Some aspects helped, such as getting them on an electrolyte capsule and glucose gel regime. But of course, the trainer in question was someone an amateur racer could hire, and maybe the Bills trainers are the best of the best and on a different order of knowledge and skill.] 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Also if you missed this back in January, worth a read. The way he eats spinach ?? He tweeted: "What, doesn't everyone eat spinach that way?" https://www.buffalobills.com/news/my-daily-routine-harrison-phillips What really strikes me is how disciplined and regimented these guys lives are, and probably have to be even in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Yay Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Can't wait for him to get back one thing i noticed last season it seemed as though just about every photo of the team you would see Harry in there some where just wanting to hang out with the guys & in the past i've not seen that from others hurt & out for a season to do rehab . I don't know if it's the norm to stay at the house & not travel with the team if a player is hurt but Harry wanted to be there given every chance he is definitely 1 player that i can't wait to see back on the field i just hope his injury doesn't effect him like it has others like Murph . It seems as if the first year back that it just takes them some time to get back to their old selves on the field & some just never make it back but i think Harry has age & determination & the Bills blue collar work ethic on his side ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 In many ways, its like having an extra top draft pick. But there is far more assurance, injury recovery withstanding, with a player of his proven quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 This is one of the reasons you don't have to break the bank on Jordan P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I don't blame him for wanting to travel with the team. For one thing, out of sight, out of mind. For another, McBeane are very strong on team belonging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Also if you missed this back in January, worth a read. The way he eats spinach ?? He tweeted: "What, doesn't everyone eat spinach that way?" https://www.buffalobills.com/news/my-daily-routine-harrison-phillips What really strikes me is how disciplined and regimented these guys lives are, and probably have to be even in the off-season. Yeah, I'm the type of person that gets depressed when I am in a routine like that. I can't handle the lack of variety in my life, but some guys really thrive with a routine. I can't even handle going to bed at the same time or waking up at the same time. I like to change things up on a day to day basis. Routine is probably better health wise, but it's just not who I am. 41 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: This is one of the reasons you don't have to break the bank on Jordan P. I'm starting to think, though, that Jordan Phillips will not have as much interest as many think. I bet he'll get a lot of short-term prove it deal type offers. He might sign back with Buffalo in the end because we may be willing to give him a longer-term offer. But honestly, I'd love it if Harrison and Oliver were the unquestioned starters, Jordan might want a situation where he is starting somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 hours ago, whatdrought said: I think he would Have been the clear starter at 1t by the end of the year If he had been healthy. Looking forward to seeing what he can do when back up and going! Based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 45 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm starting to think, though, that Jordan Phillips will not have as much interest as many think. I bet he'll get a lot of short-term prove it deal type offers. He might sign back with Buffalo in the end because we may be willing to give him a longer-term offer. But honestly, I'd love it if Harrison and Oliver were the unquestioned starters, Jordan might want a situation where he is starting somewhere. McDermott loves him his DL rotations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Also if you missed this back in January, worth a read. The way he eats spinach ?? He tweeted: "What, doesn't everyone eat spinach that way?" https://www.buffalobills.com/news/my-daily-routine-harrison-phillips What really strikes me is how disciplined and regimented these guys lives are, and probably have to be even in the off-season. I never liked spinach growing up. We grew up poor and blocks of frozen spinach were common items in church food pantry. He should try fresh spinach stir fried with garlic, Chinese style. He will not be eating spinach first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Also if you missed this back in January, worth a read. The way he eats spinach ?? He tweeted: "What, doesn't everyone eat spinach that way?" https://www.buffalobills.com/news/my-daily-routine-harrison-phillips What really strikes me is how disciplined and regimented these guys lives are, and probably have to be even in the off-season. I stopped reading at "I typically wake up between 8:45 and 9". That's some discipline! It's not easy for an adult with a job to sleep that late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 48 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I never liked spinach growing up. We grew up poor and blocks of frozen spinach were common items in church food pantry. He should try fresh spinach stir fried with garlic, Chinese style. He will not be eating spinach first. hmmm, I just may need a bit more recipe there. Sounds intriguing. 46 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I stopped reading at "I typically wake up between 8:45 and 9". That's some discipline! It's not easy for an adult with a job to sleep that late... You do realize this is the football player’s “vacation”, right aka “a delicate time in the life of these young Sahabs” as Marshawn Lynch put it. Football players get paid per game during the season, and per week during training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: Based on? I think it is impossible to say....I will say that it looked like HH was outplaying Star before he got hurt (at least to my eyes) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Run D was pretty stout when he was healthy iirc. Didn't he lead Stanford on tackles his last year? That's insane for a DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: hmmm, I just may need a bit more recipe there. Sounds intriguing. That's what I'm sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Recovering from a ACL at his position and weight might take more time to be safe. He tore his ACL in his 2nd year of college also. That's why it would be nice to have Jordan Phillips back. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/quick-hits-harrison-phillips-suffers-season-ending-injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: hmmm, I just may need a bit more recipe there. Sounds intriguing. You do realize this is the football player’s “vacation”, right aka “a delicate time in the life of these young Sahabs” as Marshawn Lynch put it. Football players get paid per game during the season, and per week during training camp. Yeah, I do realize that. It's a 6+ month vacation. The average game check is more than the US annual average worker salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, I do realize that. It's a 6+ month vacation. The average game check is more than the US annual average worker salary. Sounds like You should of been a football player.? Edited February 26, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Sounds like You should of been a football player.? Who wouldn't want that life! Tons of money, play a game a week. Half the year off. First class travel, training facilities. Retire young. Start second career with money in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Who wouldn't want that life! Tons of money, play a game a week. Half the year off. First class travel, training facilities. Retire young. Start second career with money in the bank. That’s part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: That’s part of it. Oh yeah....all that 'tang, too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 16 hours ago, NoSaint said: Based on? He played an equitable amount of snaps with Star during the first two weeks, (including when he got hurt) and, at least from my estimation, was playing good football. It looked like he was ready to take a step forward. Obviously that's a hypothetical, but I expect he'll be a key piece if he gets back healthy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh yeah....all that 'tang, too. Do you like football and the men who play it? Edited February 26, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Who wouldn't want that life! Tons of money, play a game a week. Half the year off. First class travel, training facilities. Retire young. Start second career with money in the bank. Get paid to work out. I have to drag myself to gym and I’m the one paying them! Edited February 26, 2020 by FireChans 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, I do realize that. It's a 6+ month vacation. The average game check is more than the US annual average worker salary. The average US job doesn't involve having multiple refrigerator-size guys slam into you or pound you into the concrete 64 times per game, every Sunday. And the average duration of a normal career is longer than 3-4 years. Yes, NFL players get very well paid for what they do, but let's not pretend there isn't significant down-side to compensate for a few months/yr of rising at 9 am. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Do you like football and the men who play it? Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Who wouldn't want that life! Tons of money, play a game a week. Half the year off. First class travel, training facilities. Retire young. Start second career with money in the bank. My spouse worked with a guy who had an NFL "cup of coffee". Signed as an UDFA NT by the Raiders out of college. Most aggressive person I've ever known - very nice guy, but intensity and aggression just radiated off of him. When he asked for something, people's natural reaction was "Yes, Sir!". He had a decent camp, was offered a spot on their practice squad - and quit. Put his engineering degree to use instead. Asked him why once. Said he just didn't like pain enough to compete with the guys who were successful. So yeah, lots of people would love the money and the lifestyle it can bring but it takes a special breed of person to actually do it. And no, they don't get half the year off. They take about a month off (unless they're rehabbing) then they get back to work with sore-making off-season conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The average US job doesn't involve having multiple refrigerator-size guys slam into you or pound you into the concrete 64 times per game, every Sunday. And the average duration of a normal career is longer than 3-4 years. Yes, NFL players get very well paid for what they do, but let's not pretend there isn't significant down-side to compensate for a few months/yr of rising at 9 am. College kids are doing that for free on Saturdays. The "3-4 year average" is heavily skewed by the number of guys who get signed and waived and on and off PS's and guys who never make it on to a final roster--like the guy you mention above. And off seasoning condition is really not "going to work"...unless you are a conditioning trainer. Edited February 26, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: My spouse worked with a guy who had an NFL "cup of coffee". Signed as an UDFA NT by the Raiders out of college. Most aggressive person I've ever known - very nice guy, but intensity and aggression just radiated off of him. When he asked for something, people's natural reaction was "Yes, Sir!". He had a decent camp, was offered a spot on their practice squad - and quit. Put his engineering degree to use instead. Asked him why once. Said he just didn't like pain enough to compete with the guys who were successful. So yeah, lots of people would love the money and the lifestyle it can bring but it takes a special breed of person to actually do it. And no, they don't get half the year off. They take about a month off (unless they're rehabbing) then they get back to work with sore-making off-season conditioning. Man, they have to run and be active and lift weights for 5 months? I bet they’d rather sit at a desk staring at a computer screen for 12 hours a day. When I get the miracle of a vacation, I actually use that time to try to work out more frequently. And they get 5 months of it! Edited February 26, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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