Foxx Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Was wondering what your guys reaction would’ve been if we had taken Rosen instead of Allen. I love Allen and was very happy that we took him, never liked Rosen in college as he reminded me too much of Cutler and Jeff George without the rocket arm. I think personally it would’ve set us back if we’d made that move. Thoughts?? well, we might have been in the running to take Burrow so it wouldn't have been all bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I am open that I was a “Wrong Josh”er. I also thought the whole starting QB/OL/WR situation was pretty badly mishandled in 2018 offseason and it’s a major reason why I still have “???” In my mind about ultimately how successful McDermott and Beane will be. Beane seemed to be expecting Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio performance on a “Two Buck Chuck” budget. I decided we got the “right Josh” after watching them both play in the last handful of 2018 games. They were both playing under tough circumstances, but one was clearly a gamer and rallying the team to raise their game while improving somewhat himself, while the other appeared to inspire no one and to be regressing. This^ Watched a bunch of Rosens games when they had the number one pick and were debating taking KM. After watching a few games it was clear to me the Bills got the right guy and Rosen was going to be a trivia question someday much like JP losman would be for the 2004 class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: What if we took Jackson over Rosen? Same response? McDermott is not humble or smart enough to take advantage of Jackson's unique skill set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: This^ Watched a bunch of Rosens games when they had the number one pick and were debating taking KM. After watching a few games it was clear to me the Bills got the right guy and Rosen was going to be a trivia question someday much like JP losman would be for the 2004 class I think n Rosen is slightly better than JP, I remember being mad as hell when we took Losman, I thought that pick would haunt us for the next decade and it did. Liked that he embraced the city of Buffalo and its fans but he didn’t have what it took to be a starting NFL QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, njbuff said: He passed on Mahomes in 2017 because he wanted Allen in 2018. You just made this up, didn't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: You just made this up, didn't you? Um, they acquired draft assets for the 2018 QB draft class, passing on a QB in 2017. If they wanted Mahomes (or Watson), they would have taken him at 10 in 2017. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Also, the Bills always had the most scouts at Wyoming games in 2017. Again, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Edited February 24, 2020 by njbuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, KGun12TD said: In all fairness to Rosen, he’s been in two really poor situation. He had a lot of talent coming into the draft...I kinda feel badly for him. True, but then again Fitzpatrick was able to win 5 games and threw for over 20 tds with the lack there of talent in Miami and Rosen didn’t even throw one TD and threw 4 picks and didn’t win one game and got benched in favor of Fitz. Like someone on this board said, I think he’s damaged goods at best at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 If we would have taken Rosen we would still be searching for a QB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I was happy that they identified the guy they wanted and moved up to get him. In the moment, if that had been Rosen instead of Allen, I would have been equally happy. I didn't want them to settle for whoever was left over after passing on Mahomes and Watson the previous year (Jackson was an afterthought). I didn't wan't Mayfield and thought Darnold was the best of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, John from Riverside said: If we would have taken Rosen we would still be searching for a QB We would probably be in the mix of all the free agent veteran QBs In this years Free agency. Probably would overpay for a washed up veteran like rivers or Dalton etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said: At the moment? Thrilled, because that's what the media, pundits, and highlight reel told me was the correct pick As of today? A total 180 and am more than happy to be wrong, and I know this sentiment is shared with many others here I'm the same. I wanted Rosen and didn't want Allen, but I got on board pretty quick. I don't watch college ball so I only have highlight videos, stats, and word of mouth to go off of. But I will say, Rosen's career trajectory would be much different had he been chosen by the Bills. He would have been given every opportunity that Allen has, including continuity. No telling what would have been different for him. 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I thought then and think now that Rosen will have the more fruitful professional career. Your projection is off to a bumpy start... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: I'm the same. I wanted Rosen and didn't want Allen, but I got on board pretty quick. I don't watch college ball so I only have highlight videos, stats, and word of mouth to go off of. But I will say, Rosen's career trajectory would be much different had he been chosen by the Bills. He would have been given every opportunity that Allen has, including continuity. No telling what would have been different for him. Honestly though, due to Rosen not being mobile we probably would’ve been worse in 2018 and Arizona likely would’ve been better in 18. Allen elevated his play last year and got better as the season went on in 18 where Rosen regressed and got worse as the season went on in 18. I think Allen was more pro ready than Rosen, Rosen likely would’ve benefited by being red shirted and watched and learned from the vet QB from the sideline. Arizona ruined him by throwing him in too early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) I'll fess up, I was a "wrong Josh" guy for a minute. I thought they'd take Rosen since he was seen as more pro-ready whereas Allen was deemed a project. Right after the pick, I got on the YouTube and brought up some Allen highlights and became excited at some of the throws he's able to make. And I trust McBeane and if that's their guy then that works for me. Obviously, there's still work to be done with JA, but the fact that he made legitimate improvements (not just subtle things either) from '18 to '19 gives me a lot of faith that the kid can get to the level people think he can. I think we'll probably always have to deal with a "What the fuuu..." type of play from him now and again, and the stats may not always be 25 of 30 for 370 and 4 TDs, but his playmaking ability should outweigh those things. Edited February 24, 2020 by blacklabel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: think now that Rosen will have the more fruitful professional career. No, really. You're not serious are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Honestly though, due to Rosen not being mobile we probably would’ve been worse in 2018 and Arizona likely would’ve been better in 18. Allen elevated his play last year and got better as the season went on in 18 where Rosen regressed and got worse as the season went on in 18. I think Allen was more pro ready than Rosen, Rosen likely would’ve benefited by being red shirted and watched and learned from the vet QB from the sideline. Arizona ruined him by throwing him in too early Allen relied on his superior athletic ability. Rosen doesn't have that to fall back on, so requires more of a traditional developmental approach. Allen is more able to learn on the job because he does have that freak athleticism and large build to fall back on when things break down on the field. But as far as being pro ready, I don't know about that. Allen is just a gamer, but you can tell he still has so much to learn. Honestly haven't watched a ton of Rosen so I can't speak to his ability to read a defense and operate and offense and determine his pro readiness. 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No, really. You're not serious are you? Given his negative comments about McDermott and Beane, I do think he's serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, blacklabel said: I'll fess up, I was a "wrong Josh" guy for a minute. I thought they'd take Rosen since he was seen as more pro-ready whereas Allen was deemed a project. Right after the pick, I got on the YouTube and brought up some Allen highlights and became excited at some of the throws he's able to make. And I trust McBeane and if that's their guy then that works for me. Obviously, there's still work to be done with JA, but the fact that he made legitimate improvements (not just subtle things either) from '18 to '19 gives me a lot of faith that the kid can get to the level people think he can. I think we'll probably always have to deal with a "What the fuuu..." type of play from him now and again, and the stats may not always be 25 of 30 for 370 and 4 TDs, but his playmaking ability should outweigh those things. Hey remember Jim Kelly wasn’t always perfect either and had plenty of What the Fuuu...” type of plays almost all the time lol. I’m sure we’ll see a 300-400 yard passing game from him, he has the talent to do it. He just needs a number 1 receiver, I say we go after Cooper since Dallas is letting him go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Given his negative comments about McDermott and Beane, I do think he's serious. Then that's just utterly ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Allen relied on his superior athletic ability. Rosen doesn't have that to fall back on, so requires more of a traditional developmental approach. Allen is more able to learn on the job because he does have that freak athleticism and large build to fall back on when things break down on the field. But as far as being pro ready, I don't know about that. Allen is just a gamer, but you can tell he still has so much to learn. Honestly haven't watched a ton of Rosen so I can't speak to his ability to read a defense and operate and offense and determine his pro readiness. Given his negative comments about McDermott and Beane, I do think he's serious. I have to disagree I feel Allen was more pro ready than Rosen was, Allen came from unknown school and didn’t have anyone to throw to while at Wyoming. Rosen had a bunch of talent as UCLA and struggled, Allen has better body language and is a far better leader than Rosen. Also the thing that’s killed Rosen is his inability to read a defense. I watched him plenty in Miami this year and he was beyond terrible. Fitz did more with less than Rosen did. Even Brian Flores Said Rosen wasn’t ready and criticized his play and body language in the pre season, For crying out loud he couldn’t even beat out Fitzpatrick in competition Edited February 24, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Honestly, no idea. I wanted Rosen but that’s why I’m not a GM. I wonder if Rosen’s performance would have been any better if there was an actual plan for him. His situation has been the worst of any rookie QB’s. I wonder how Allen would have fared in the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) I was hoping for Rosen, so he and Jessica Pegula could clean everyone’s clocks at the mixed doubles tournaments in the offseason. ? Edited February 24, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: More of curiosity than anything, wanted to know what some fans reactions are now as opposed to last year, I know some Fans weren’t happy we took Allen over Rosen, hence the whole we took the wrong josh lol Some fans are idiots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 All I know is that we would have a poster on our board with the profile name, "Wrong Josh." The only difference to today is that this alternative world poster would have been right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Virgil said: Honestly, no idea. I wanted Rosen but that’s why I’m not a GM. I wonder if Rosen’s performance would have been any better if there was an actual plan for him. His situation has been the worst of any rookie QB’s. I wonder how Allen would have fared in the same situation. I think Allen would’ve made Arizona more competitive than Rosen. Rosen would’ve gotten creamed behind our line back in 18. Allen’s ability to pass and run is what saved us and kept us in most games last year. His best last year was against Minnesota, Allen also got better down line and showed more promise where as Rosen statistically regressed last year. I think Allen had more fire and rallied his team up especially when the chips were down. Rosen put his head down and didn’t inspire anyone on his team. I think the team celebrated when they drafted Murray and traded Rosen away Edited February 24, 2020 by BuffaloBills1998 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I have to disagree I feel Allen was more pro ready than Rosen was, Allen came from unknown school and didn’t have anyone to throw to while at Wyoming. Rosen had a bunch of talent as UCLA and struggled, Allen has better body language and is a far better leader than Rosen. Also the thing that’s killed Rosen is his inability to read a defense. I watched him plenty in Miami this year and he was beyond terrible. Fitz did more with less than Rosen did. Even Brian Flores Said Rosen wasn’t ready and criticized his play and body language in the pre season, For crying out loud he couldn’t even beat out Fitzpatrick in competition Like I said, I can't personally speak to Rosen's pro readiness as I have not watched him a ton. I just don't think Allen was that pro ready. I just think his superior physical abilities have been an effective fall-back for him. And I think he is smart, humble, and driven, so he is making strides in his development. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, MJS said: Like I said, I can't personally speak to Rosen's pro readiness as I have not watched him a ton. I just don't think Allen was that pro ready. I just think his superior physical abilities have been an effective fall-back for him. And I think he is smart, humble, and driven, so he is making strides in his development. I don’t know what it is but something about Rosens attitude rubs me the wrong way. Like all I see is Cutler and George without the big arm. Like he just doesn’t look motivated. Maybe being traded away damaged him a bit mentally or maybe he’s just mentally weak idk. I’m just glad we got Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Virgil said: Honestly, no idea. I wanted Rosen but that’s why I’m not a GM. I wonder if Rosen’s performance would have been any better if there was an actual plan for him. His situation has been the worst of any rookie QB’s. I wonder how Allen would have fared in the same situation. I mean was it really? The Jets, Browns and Bills all had shaky O lines, bad weapons and in the case of the browns and Jets (and ultimately AZ) had lame duck coaching staffs. In spite off all that, every other rookie QB showed some serious flashes of being keepers....except Rosen. I think Rosen is just limited physically and not daring enough to be a good QB. He doesnt elevate those around him and his play is hardly inspiring. Watching his games in AZ reminded me of Trent. Just meh AZ absolutely made the right call to cut bait 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: All I know is that we would have a poster on our board with the profile name, "Wrong Josh." The only difference to today is that this alternative world poster would have been right. Is this analogous to the ‘Kelvin timeline’ creation? ? What if ‘Wrong Josh’ was in reference to Josh Allen? Edited February 24, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 We took the right guy as it stands. Rosen might have had better success If he were drafted by a different team with a system that would be a better fit for whatever strengths he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: well, this is an impossible question to answer really. Where does Allen end up. If he's in Miami, he likely is not as good as he is here. In fact, Rosen probably looks better than Allen (I'd say Darnold level). If he went to Arizona, that would be interesting because does the new regime keep him? If so, he is prob lighting it up with the WR tools there. Just impossible to tell. Situation matters so much. But I will say this: I am very glad we have Allen. Did not want him pre-draft due to his accuracy issues, which still plague him, but he compensates for it in other ways, and I expect the accuracy to improve once we have better receivers for him (a Hooper/Knox, combo with a great draft pick). Does accuracy improve with better pass catchers or is the result just more catches? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alphadawg7 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, Virgil said: Honestly, no idea. I wanted Rosen but that’s why I’m not a GM. I wonder if Rosen’s performance would have been any better if there was an actual plan for him. His situation has been the worst of any rookie QB’s. I wonder how Allen would have fared in the same situation. I dont know...was it really different? I mean cardinals went and invested a lot in getting Rosen, its not like they didnt go all in on him that first year. Their roster wasn't much different than our roster that year offensively. OL issues were similar, and Rosen had a better cast of weapons to use...wasnt great, but it was better than Bills offensive weapons that year. Cardinals didn't see enough in Rosen to stay the course. Then in Miami, they quickly dismissed him too. Something isnt right here...two teams with significant draft capital investments into him quickly gave up on him. Time to face the truth, he just isn't the guy some thought he would be. Personally, I think it mostly stems from his lack of ability to be a leader, to command the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I'll be truthfully honest here. I was so mad they picked Allen not Rosen that I left my brother in laws draft party within 20 minutes. I was team Rosen all day and Allen I was against big time. Truthfully I didn't truly become team Allen until the Miami game when Clay dropped the ball. I liked what he showed against MIN that was encouraging and the JAX game at least showed some heart and passion. But for me it all changed against Miami because he was the best player on the field for either team and couldn't be stopped. With better talent they would've won or just a TE who wasn't a moron. Anyway that game proved to me he could carry the team at QB something you have to be able to do if your gonna be the guy. I'm not sure what his ceiling is but he will be around for a while and win a lot which is good enough for me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Was wondering what your guys reaction would’ve been if we had taken Rosen instead of Allen. I love Allen and was very happy that we took him, never liked Rosen in college as he reminded me too much of Cutler and Jeff George without the rocket arm. I think personally it would’ve set us back if we’d made that move. Thoughts?? I would feel the exact opposite of how I feel now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I dont know...was it really different? I mean cardinals went and invested a lot in getting Rosen, its not like they didnt go all in on him that first year. Their roster wasn't much different than our roster that year offensively. OL issues were similar, and Rosen had a better cast of weapons to use...wasnt great, but it was better than Bills offensive weapons that year. Cardinals didn't see enough in Rosen to stay the course. Then in Miami, they quickly dismissed him too. Something isnt right here...two teams with significant draft capital investments into him quickly gave up on him. Time to face the truth, he just isn't the guy some thought he would be. Personally, I think it mostly stems from his lack of ability to be a leader, to command the team. You are definitely right, I think Brian Flores said the exact same thing about Rosen, also heard neither Rosen or Flores get along. Also read the team doesn’t care for Rosen and pretty much begged the coaching staff and front office to put Fitzpatrick back in as they respected him and liked how he played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Was wondering what your guys reaction would’ve been if we had taken Rosen instead of Allen. I love Allen and was very happy that we took him, never liked Rosen in college as he reminded me too much of Cutler and Jeff George without the rocket arm. I think personally it would’ve set us back if we’d made that move. Thoughts?? They still would have said we got the wrong Josh, and that idiot guy who stopped writing b.c the Bills took Allen would still be writing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Does accuracy improve with better pass catchers or is the result just more catches? I guess I should say "completion percentage." Some WR's are better catching slightly off-target balls than others and/or have a wider catch radius. I think both JA's accuracy will improve, and catchers who are better adept at catching balls that are a bit off will also help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: They still would have said we got the wrong Josh, and that idiot guy who stopped writing b.c the Bills took Allen would still be writing I forgot about the writer lol who did he write for again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: How would you guys have felt if we took Darnold over Rosen? That’s the real question. took....or "had took"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 hours ago, whorlnut said: Why does this thread exist? Hasn’t this horse been beaten already? The horse obviously has a strong constitution. But agreed, the thread is not an intellectual challenge or plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: took....or "had took"? HAD TAKEN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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