2020 NFL Combine

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo1973 said:

Drake wants 10 millon a year. I'd rather draft one, no need to tie up money in a back. People bitched about Shady's contract when we had him.

He wants 10 mill a year.  Doesn’t mean he’ll get it.  We have boatloads of money.  We aren’t going to be spending to the cap this year.  I don’t mind paying anyone big money for one year or maybe 2 years.  
 

Depending on who else hits the market I might be ok paying drake  9 mill for 2020.  The window is now

Edited March 1, 2020 by NewEra

[Coach Tuesday]

Based on that interview list - sure looks like defense round 1, then WR and RB in rounds 2-3 (possibly trading up from 3 into 2).

[H2o]

Simmons is crazy athletic. A 4.39u time is wow. 

[wppete]

Why are Klavon Chaisson, LSU and Curtis Weaver, Boise State not participating. Bad look. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

@YoloinOhio did you fall asleep?

 

Where are all the 40 times for these D-Linemen & Linebackers?

I went out yo it’s Saturday night 

 

but it’s 9:00 now so I’m back because I’m old

[YoloinOhio]

?

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

I think it would be hard to say Mims isn’t worth the 22 pick.... 6’3” 210, 4.38 40 yd dash, fastest 3 cone 6.66 (which may be a top 3 even after the cornerbacks), 38” vert.

 

Nearly 200 career receptions, 3,000 receiving yards, 28 TDs.

 

This kid is talented. I think the Bills can trade down a few spots and still grab him. But after the combine he may have jumped Shenault, Higgins Jefferson, Reagor IMO...... Mims has always been high for me, I think I may have been the only one really talking him up here months ago. I think we can all agree he doesn’t make it past the first 10 picks in round 2. But I honestly feel if he doesn’t go round 1, he’ll be one of the first picks day 2.

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Condensed list of bills interviews as per walterfootball

 

• Cam Akers, RB, Florida State (COM)
• Ross Blacklock, DT/3-4DE, TCU (COM)
• Lynn Bowden, WR, Kentucky (COM)
• K'Lavon Chaisson, DE/OLB, LSU (COM)
• Chase Claypool, WR, Notre Dame (COM)
• Rodney Clemons, S, SMU (EW)
• Michael Danna, DE, Michigan (EW)
• Kevin Dotson, G, La.-Lafayette (EW)
• Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU (COM)
• Jon Greenard, DE/3-4OLB/OLB, Florida (COM)
• Yetur Gross-Matos, DE/3-4OLB, Penn State (COM)
• K.J. Hamler, WR, Penn State (COM)
• Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson (COM)
• K.J. Hill, WR, Ohio State (COM)
• Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU (COM)
• Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah (COM)
• Dalton Keene, TE, Virginia Tech (COM)
• Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina (COM)
• Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor (COM)
• Zack Moss, RB, Utah (COM)
• Kenneth Murray, OLB/ILB, Oklahoma (COM)
• K.J. Osborn, WR, Miami (COM)
• John Penisini, DT, Utah (EW)
• Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU (COM)
• Henry Ruggs III, WR, Alabama (COM)
• Laviska Shenault Jr., WR, Colorado (COM)
• D'Andre Swift, RB, Georgia (COM)
• Calvin Throckmorton, OT/G, Oregon (EW)
• Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa (COM

I love how they interviewed Wirfs and Ruggs. They would have need some  wacky things to happen move anywhere near far enough to draft them.

To move to 13 we would need to give up our 2nd rounder outright. I just don't think we do that although I would do it for either of those 2 guys since that would be our LT/RT or our WR1 as a given. I cant see either of them lasting past 15. 

 

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For instance the value chart on draftec says we would need to trade our 4th and two 5ths to move up a lousy 2 spots, so giving away low picks won't yield squat in round 1 without adding an actual player in the deal. 

 

I would love any subset of : Higgins/Reagor/Jefferson/Mims  +   Matos / Kinlaw   +  Johnson(CB) / Akers / Helaire / Moss  as our top 3 picks.......  something tells me our 4-6 rounders are all in play this year.   

 

 

I would also take a flyer on Osborn the transfer from UB if he lasts into 5-6 depending on how the draft falls. That kid can play and tracks balls downfield very well. He was better than Johnson on UB last year and no one gave him credit for it. 

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Buffalo Junction]

23 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I love how they interviewed Wirfs and Ruggs. They would have need some  wacky things to happen move anywhere near far enough to draft them.

To move to 13 we would need to give up our 2nd rounder outright. I just don't think we do that although I would do it for either of those 2 guys since that would be our LT/RT or our WR1 as a given. I cant see either of them lasting past 15. 

 

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For instance the value chart on draftec says we would need to trade our 4th and two 5ths to move up a lousy 2 spots, so giving away low picks won't yield squat in round 1 without adding an actual player in the deal. 

 

I would love any subset of : Higgins/Reagor/Jefferson/Mims  +   Matos / Kinlaw   +  Johnson(CB) / Akers / Helaire / Moss  as our top 3 picks.......  something tells me our 4-6 rounders are all in play this year.   

 

 

I would also take a flyer on Osborn the transfer from UB if he lasts into 5-6 depending on how the draft falls. That kid can play and tracks balls downfield very well. He was better than Johnson on UB last year and no one gave him credit for it. 

I’m not sure that they’d move up to 12, but I could see 15-16

[DJB]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Based on that interview list - sure looks like defense round 1, then WR and RB in rounds 2-3 (possibly trading up from 3 into 2).

 

Been my prediction for weeks. I hope I'm wrong and we go offence 1, 2, 3

[YoloinOhio]

I never thought he was true EDGE. 

 

 

Meanwhile Zach Baun ran a 4.65

[Green Lightning]

8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

RB1, RB2, doesn’t matter. Point is that this team needs another legitimate backfield threat. I’ve been using the term a RB1b for what they need.

 

Motor can take 15-20 carries per game; we need a guy that can take another 12-16 and be a threat to score on each of them.

 

JMO

This is exactly correct. We find that back and we're solid in the backfield.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Drake would be a nice compliment to motor.  If we happen to sign our Gore replacement as opposed to drafting him,  I hope it’s for 1-2 years 

Drake makes sense.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I think it would be hard to say Mims isn’t worth the 22 pick.... 6’3” 210, 4.38 40 yd dash, fastest 3 cone 6.66 (which may be a top 3 even after the cornerbacks), 38” vert.

 

Nearly 200 career receptions, 3,000 receiving yards, 28 TDs.

 

This kid is talented. I think the Bills can trade down a few spots and still grab him. But after the combine he may have jumped Shenault, Higgins Jefferson, Reagor IMO...... Mims has always been high for me, I think I may have been the only one really talking him up here months ago. I think we can all agree he doesn’t make it past the first 10 picks in round 2. But I honestly feel if he doesn’t go round 1, he’ll be one of the first picks day 2.

I have a hard time believing Mims would last past the Giants at 36 due to his College coach being there.

 

I don’t hate him at 22. Think he’ll be good!

[Philo]

10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I have a hard time believing Mims would last past the Giants at 36 due to his College coach being there.

 

I don’t hate him at 22. Think he’ll be good!

 

Do you mean Rhule? So it would be Carolina at 38, but yeah I agree it looks like Mims is gonna be an early Day 2 pick at the latest. 

[whatdrought]

37 minutes ago, Philo said:

 

Do you mean Rhule? So it would be Carolina at 38, but yeah I agree it looks like Mims is gonna be an early Day 2 pick at the latest. 

shoot, yep. My brain got messed up there. 

[CEN-CAL17]

4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Based on that interview list - sure looks like defense round 1, then WR and RB in rounds 2-3 (possibly trading up from 3 into 2).

Based off that list you could say round 1 WR.... I do see Murray, Gross Matos and Kinlaw... I don’t see is grabbing another rd 1 DT, I don’t see us grabbing Murray, plus I think Kinlaw and Murray go top 20. Gross Matos? Maybe.

 

I see WR round 1 ( of all those guys they grab the best guy on their list remaining),

round2-  Blacklock maybe slipping or a move up, and Jaylon Johnson who around a top 50-60 guy.

 

Round 3- RB Moss if still there or Akers.

 

Round 4 a guy like Throckmorton OG/OT who’s been slipping as of lately. See him going top 100, but who knows the Senior Bowl and the Combine has exposed him a bit.

 

Round 5, DT and Slot WR. 
 

Im definitely thinking 2 WRs though. 
 

All this depends on FA for sure.

[947]

3 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I think it would be hard to say Mims isn’t worth the 22 pick.... 6’3” 210, 4.38 40 yd dash, fastest 3 cone 6.66 (which may be a top 3 even after the cornerbacks), 38” vert.

 

Nearly 200 career receptions, 3,000 receiving yards, 28 TDs.

 

This kid is talented. I think the Bills can trade down a few spots and still grab him. But after the combine he may have jumped Shenault, Higgins Jefferson, Reagor IMO...... Mims has always been high for me, I think I may have been the only one really talking him up here months ago. I think we can all agree he doesn’t make it past the first 10 picks in round 2. But I honestly feel if he doesn’t go round 1, he’ll be one of the first picks day 2.

I'm with you, I've been all-aboard the Mims train for months as well. I've been touting him over Shenault on every Laviska thread, mostly met with jeers.

 

I'm at the point now, where I'd be ok with Mims at 22, but would be move comfortable with a trade down into the later 1st or top of 2nd.

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I want Drake in FA.... not sure he gets there though. 

Drake just said he's looking for top-5 RB money. I'd like him too, but no way he's even worth top-10 money.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Based off that list you could say round 1 WR.... I do see Murray, Gross Matos and Kinlaw... I don’t see is grabbing another rd 1 DT, I don’t see us grabbing Murray, plus I think Kinlaw and Murray go top 20. Gross Matos? Maybe.

 

I see WR round 1 ( of all those guys they grab the best guy on their list remaining),

round2-  Blacklock maybe slipping or a move up, and Jaylon Johnson who around a top 50-60 guy.

 

Round 3- RB Moss if still there or Akers.

 

Round 4 a guy like Throckmorton OG/OT who’s been slipping as of lately. See him going top 100, but who knows the Senior Bowl and the Combine has exposed him a bit.

 

Round 5, DT and Slot WR. 
 

Im definitely thinking 2 WRs though. 
 

All this depends on FA for sure.

I really hope Moss isn’t the guy we get to compliment Motor.  Give me speed please. Moss is not that

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Based off that list you could say round 1 WR.... I do see Murray, Gross Matos and Kinlaw... I don’t see is grabbing another rd 1 DT, I don’t see us grabbing Murray, plus I think Kinlaw and Murray go top 20. Gross Matos? Maybe.

 

I see WR round 1 ( of all those guys they grab the best guy on their list remaining),

round2-  Blacklock maybe slipping or a move up, and Jaylon Johnson who around a top 50-60 guy.

 

Round 3- RB Moss if still there or Akers.

 

Round 4 a guy like Throckmorton OG/OT who’s been slipping as of lately. See him going top 100, but who knows the Senior Bowl and the Combine has exposed him a bit.

 

Round 5, DT and Slot WR. 
 

Im definitely thinking 2 WRs though. 
 

All this depends on FA for sure.

 

They said Throck is going guard or center so i don't think we go after him unless we lose Spain.

 

 

[Mountain Man]

7 hours ago, Locomark said:

I love how they interviewed Wirfs and Ruggs. They would have need some  wacky things to happen move anywhere near far enough to draft them.

Its not about drafting them. It's about having intelligence on in division rivals. They are likely Jets picks

[CEN-CAL17]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

I really hope Moss isn’t the guy we get to compliment Motor.  Give me speed please. Moss is not that

That’s all based on that list of course. I like JOSHUA Kelley RB UCLA. Kid was a stud at the Senior Bowl practices and had a huge game. Kid measured at 5’11” near 215 lbs and ran a 4.49.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

11 hours ago, H2o said:

Simmons is crazy athletic. A 4.39u time is wow. 

 

Jeff Legwold  ESPN Senior Writer:

 

"It was the second-fastest 40 time for a linebacker at the combine since 2006, behind only Shaquem Griffin, who ran a 4.38 at the 2018 combine. Simmons, however, weighed in 11 pounds heavier and is 3⅝ inches taller than Griffin was at the combine."

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I never thought he was true EDGE. 

 

 

 

My view on Epenesa is he is a big end who plays the run well can slide inside on obvious pass down and will get you 5 sacks a year. If people are hoping for an explosive edge rusher then for me he is not it. 

Edited March 1, 2020 by GunnerBill

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My view on Epenesa is he is a big end who plays the run well can slide inside on obvious pass down and will get you 5 sacks a year. If people are hoping for an explosive edge rusher then for me he is not it. 

He doesn’t have a R1 grade from me

 

He's got some flexibility as either a 5 or 7 tech, but he’s more of a complementary piece IMO.

12 hours ago, H2o said:

Simmons is crazy athletic. A 4.39u time is wow. 

There’s more to squeeze from him too—he’s making plays on athleticism and instinct now, but there’s times he looks like a man without a plan. Once he gets comfortable in a scheme and gets himself to the point where his technique is 2nd nature, he’s going to be special.

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My view on Epenesa is he is a big end who plays the run well can slide inside on obvious pass down and will get you 5 sacks a year. If people are hoping for an explosive edge rusher then for me he is not it. 

He's a slightly slower version of Robert Ayers with more college production. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He doesn’t have a R1 grade from me

 

He's got some flexibility as either a 5 or 7 tech, but he’s more of a complementary piece IMO.

 

Nor me. At the moment I have Young (obviously) with a 1st and Chaisson with a borderline 1st/2nd. And I keep going back and forth on Chaisson. I don't think I am struggling with any other player in this class as much as him. I have now been back around a 3rd time on him. Conflicted. 

 

After that it Epenesa, Gross-Matos, Anae and your boy Greenard are all in a bit of a clump as mid to high 2nd round grades. 

Edited March 1, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Buffalo1973]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

That’s all based on that list of course. I like JOSHUA Kelley RB UCLA. Kid was a stud at the Senior Bowl practices and had a huge game. Kid measured at 5’11” near 215 lbs and ran a 4.49.

Another late round back that no one is talking about is Anthony McFarland out of Maryland. Similar size to Singletary but has that extra gear to take it to the house. 

[ALF]

Michigan left tackle Jon Runyan, who provides deeply technical insights into his opponents, said Epenesa was tied with Ohio State's Chase Young as the two toughest defenders he ever faced.

 

"A.J. exploits the weakness of what I play," Runyan said. "I'm a vertical setter, and the weakness of a vertical set is what A.J. loves to do: bull rush with a one-armed stab. He's able to catch me leaning a lot, catch me off guard. Early in the [2019 Michigan vs. Iowa] game, the first three or four drives, I wasn't really keying on his shoulders. He started running downhill, and I wasn't able to get my hips down and react to the bull rush."

 

Epenesa's workout results Saturday night, including a 5.04-second 40-yard dash with a 1.78-second 10-yard split (the split measures initial quickness, making it important for linemen) were not disastrous, but they were worrisome. Those are defensive tackle results, not elite edge-rusher results.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2878147-nfl-scouting-combine-notebook-did-aj-epenesa-crater-his-draft-stock?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide1

[thebandit27]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nor me. At the moment I have Young (obviously) with a 1st and Chaisson with a borderline 1st/2nd. And I keep going back and forth on Chaisson. I don't think I am struggling with any other player in this class as much as him. I have now been back around a 3rd time on him. Conflicted. 

 

After that it Epenesa, Gross-Matos, Anae and your boy Greenard are all in a bit of a clump as mid to high 2nd round grades. 

My R1 EDGE grades are Young, Chaisson, Baun, and Greenard.

[Buffalo Junction]

51 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He doesn’t have a R1 grade from me

 

He's got some flexibility as either a 5 or 7 tech, but he’s more of a complementary piece IMO.

I think Epenesa will have to be moved inside on passing downs to maximize his potential in a 43. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

My R1 EDGE grades are Young, Chaisson, Baun, and Greenard.

Leaving Young out of it as he's amazing, I like Baun and Greenard more than Chiasson. Something in my gut when I watch him says he's not a Round 1 guy.

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

My R1 EDGE grades are Young, Chaisson, Baun, and Greenard.

 

I have Baun as a borderline but I have him graded as an off the ball 'backer at the next level.

[Logic]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My view on Epenesa is he is a big end who plays the run well can slide inside on obvious pass down and will get you 5 sacks a year. If people are hoping for an explosive edge rusher then for me he is not it. 

Agreed.

I would rather just re-sign Shaq Lawson, who is exactly what you just described, but who already has 4 years of seasoning and who we already know fits in well with the locker room.

It would be completely illogical to me to let Lawson walk and then draft Epenesa. Spinning our wheels.

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My view on Epenesa is he is a big end who plays the run well can slide inside on obvious pass down and will get you 5 sacks a year. If people are hoping for an explosive edge rusher then for me he is not it. 

Did you watch his lack of agility on the combine drills. It speaks to exactly what you say here. He certainly doesn’t have the Jerry bend. We don’t need another mediocre end to waste a high pick on IMO. 

[Reed83HOF]

Trey Adams anyone?

 

 

[poblano]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Agreed.

I would rather just re-sign Shaq Lawson, who is exactly what you just described, but who already has 4 years of seasoning and who we already know fits in well with the locker room.

It would be completely illogical to me to let Lawson walk and then draft Epenesa. Spinning our wheels.

The point is Lawson maybe hit the top of his game and if Epenesa it's at that level with chances to improve  then is a better option.

I see Epenesa as Justin Smith(Cin/SF) not explosive, but with enough ability to rush from any spot in the line, and obviously a good run stuffer(the comparison is exaggerated at the moment, but can't remember other player with those abilities)

 

[YoloinOhio]

34 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Trey Adams anyone?

 

 

Yikes 

 

https://twitter.com/pff_mike/status/1233751766354874368?s=21

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yikes 

 

https://twitter.com/pff_mike/status/1233751766354874368?s=21

Maybe his wish came true and he didn't want to step on it?? ?