Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I’d trip over my own man parts (if I were so endowed) sprinting to pay a guy $20M AAV if I could have those numbers. That is a visual I don't need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: I think he's overrated. Regardless, he WILL be the highest paid CB in the league at some point. The question is when is the best time to do that? Do we take the cheaper years now and then pay the bigger salary down the road under the new CBA? Do you offer him 5 years $75-$80M with $50M guaranteed now instead? It costs you more now but saves you down the road. That’s the debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: I do but some cats actually like where they’re at. Not saying he does or doesn’t and trying to put my Bills bias aside but we have the potential for something special brewing, especially on the Defensive side. I would add that some of us are jaded by the past( Byrd, Peters) and might expect history to repeat itself. Tre doesn’t seem like a complete selfish weeney like those two. I was just saying if it doesnt get done, it doesn't automatically equate to Beane not doing his job or a good job. We have no idea what Tre and his team are thinking, but its certainly a real possibility they are quite interested in the new CBA for obvious reasons. 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What's coming with the CBA? The potential ability to sign bigger contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 NO NO NO! I've been following the Bills long enough to know you cannot resign a CB. The proper thing to do is have him play out his rookie contract and then let him walk. You can always draft his replacement in the 1st round. By the numbers... we use roughly 3 starting CBs these days so, we should be drafting a CB every other year in round 1. Yep that sounds about right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 My *only* concern, and its a minor one is that a deal signed today could be a recipe for a hold out in 2 years if/when a new CBA is signed and people are making more money. But I dont think Tre and Beane would let that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) No. He is Cost Controlled for 3 more years (this year, next year and then the Tag). You approach him about an extension AFTER this year. With the CBA expiring and the rules that come with it, I dont think you see a lot of extensions this year until the CBA is worked out. Edited February 12, 2020 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No. He is Cost Controlled for 3 more years (this year, next year and then the Tag). You approach him about an extension AFTER this year. With the CBA expiring and the rules that come with it, I dont think you see a lot of extensions this year until the CBA is worked out. Yes I agree this is the right approach, also imo important to consider the FO relationship w White is strong enough to float him until both sides are ready I am 100% he knows he is priority 1 and will be rewarded as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Sorry dude, but a much more interesting thread would be if you could give reasons "Why Tre White should consider signing an Extension now". Signing an extension now is pretty much 100% in the team's favor, and a major detriment to the player outside of a (unlikely) catastrophic career ending injury. Besides the small possibility of such an injury, there is really no reason Tre's camp should consider. And THAT is the major factor into why it isn't happening. So many posts and threads sounding like all that needs to happen is the Bills to make an offer. That's not the way it works. Two to tango and all that. Threat of season ending or career threatening injury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Get it done Beane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 So you sign him now he will be the highest paid CB for a Year until next Top CB to sign a contract. you sign him Next year (so he doesn’t play on his 5th year option you get the Highest paid CB for a year then another Contract out does his. there is Literally NO REASON for either the Bills or White to do a contract until the new CBA agreed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The 2019 NFL Exclusive Franchise Tag for a CB is 16 million. The 5th year option will not be significantly lower than that in 2021. How much higher will the tag be in 2 years? Signing White to a long term contract EXTENSION (which means he plays for what he is contracted for this year) makes sense. 2020 cap hit will be larger because some of the signing bonus will start to get paid this year but it will help slightly in future years. If they can sign White to 16.5 per year now DO IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 ill start the gofundme now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I was just saying if it doesnt get done, it doesn't automatically equate to Beane not doing his job or a good job. We have no idea what Tre and his team are thinking, but its certainly a real possibility they are quite interested in the new CBA for obvious reasons. The potential ability to sign bigger contracts. The ability to sign for bigger contracts comes every year with an ever increasing cap. I don't expect the owners are going to give up much more in % revenue to players than they did on the last CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 It will get done....just a matter of when 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 PFF doesn't even have him on the top 101 players in the NFL - we can do better and upgrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The ability to sign for bigger contracts comes every year with an ever increasing cap. I don't expect the owners are going to give up much more in % revenue to players than they did on the last CBA. I haven’t followed closely, but everything I’ve seen is that players like Mahomes are better off waiting as the new CBA is expected to create much larger contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: my thinking is pay him now on the cheap before the league catches on! That’s the glass half full way of looking at this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 Tre is a character that this team needs hes got that attitude everyone loves. and he can play. they let Gilmore go and he was voted best in the league with the cheats. Ron Darby was let go and IMO he was good. Not Tre good but good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I haven’t followed closely, but everything I’ve seen is that players like Mahomes are better off waiting as the new CBA is expected to create much larger contracts. No doubt they are hoping so, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 This is usually where you could expect a 1st round CB in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 It's pretty clear they absolutely are considering it. Beane says as much in the article. I hope they do it this year. This large amount of cap freedom they have this year and the need to get Dawkins, White and Milano on board make this a good time to do so. But it'll come down to details and negotiations, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: It's pretty clear they absolutely are considering it. Beane says as much in the article. I hope they do it this year. This large amount of cap freedom they have this year and the need to get Dawkins, White and Milano on board make this a good time to do so. But it'll come down to details and negotiations, as usual. Milano ?. If he gets anything beyond a midlevel deal they are nuts. He is inconsistent and his injury history isn’t great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 dont pay him sqwat! let his contract expire! we can get another cb. the bills are doing better then the sabres. tre whites goalie school will have us churning out top tier goalies for decades and revitalize both sports teams! get it done Pegulies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Milano ?. If he gets anything beyond a midlevel deal they are nuts. He is inconsistent and his injury history isn’t great. Yeah, OK, dude. This defense is quite a bit better with Milano out there. He's not going to get huge money, but expect him to get a very nice deal indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 So now Milano is the next guy in line to kick? Do you know how fat I got by eating Milano cookies every time I heard his name being called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I haven’t followed closely, but everything I’ve seen is that players like Mahomes are better off waiting as the new CBA is expected to create much larger contracts. Just an observation (especially with the stadium cost talks), maybe it's time the the players and owners address chipping in to help fund where they work. 5 million each in concessions from the owners and players per team per year would go a long way in assuring teams could foot a large part of the bill. 32 teams placing 10 million a year into a stadium fund is 320M per year. Adding 1 million (10% of average 10 million cap increase) will quickly bring that number even higher. The league should be funding new stadiums by at least 50% IMO. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 4 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: So now Milano is the next guy in line to kick? Do you know how fat I got by eating Milano cookies every time I heard his name being called? To kick? No. He isn’t a guy I’d mention in the same sentence as White and Allen when it comes to looming contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, CommonCents said: To kick? No. He isn’t a guy I’d mention in the same sentence as White and Allen when it comes to looming contracts. lol. That’s not what I was saying. I've seen plenty of ridicule against Milano - not saying you did. if he continues to improve and play well then he should be retained. Josh also has to continue to improve and play well Tre is da man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 7 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Just an observation (especially with the stadium cost talks), maybe it's time the the players and owners address chipping in to help fund where they work. 5 million each in concessions from the owners and players per team per year would go a long way in assuring teams could foot a large part of the bill. 32 teams placing 10 million a year into a stadium fund is 320M per year. Adding 1 million (10% of average 10 million cap increase) will quickly bring that number even higher. The league should be funding new stadiums by at least 50% IMO. FWIW Prior to 1999 in the modern era there were 13 stadiums built with an average of around 26% from private funding and 74% public funding. During the NFL's G3 program (in which the league matches team owner money with a "loan" that is repaid through premium seats, PSLs etc) from 1999-2010, there were 12 stadiums built that averaged 59% private funding and 41% public. In 2011 G3 was escalated to G4, allowing more money to be loaned to teams for stadiums while also applying some of that money as a credit from the NFLPA before computing the salary cap each year (meaning the players kick in a little too). Basically, they've been doing what you're suggesting for over 20 years now. https://www.greenberglawoffice.com/nfl-credit-facility-has-made-possible-new-state-of-the-art-stadiums/ PS - this is also the reason a few years ago the league was pressuring the Bills to take "their turn" in building a new stadium. They wanted to take advantage of increasing revenue and value by loaning themselves money instead of giving it to the players. And in the last couple years the league backed off since there wasn't time to put together a new stadium with financing plans before the end of the CBA, so they wouldn't be able to use G4. Now the latest from Roger is the league "needs to know" the Bills plan for a stadium in the near future. Those plans, along with any other teams stadium plans, will help shape whatever incarnation of the G3 or G4 program they will have in place through the next CBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I personally get the vibe that tre isnt going to want to stay in Buffalo... but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 11:03 AM, Philo said: You just know there will be a bunch of posts criticizing him and the contract after his first poor play of 2020 Yup, and we can already say who those TSW members are... ? Do your deal Mr Beane, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: I personally get the vibe that tre isnt going to want to stay in Buffalo... but we'll see. Really? May I ask why you say that? I don't get that vibe AT ALL, and I expect Tre White to be the face of the Buffalo defense for the forseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 2:17 PM, BarleyNY said: I’d love to get it done now, but doesn’t the 30% rule that’s in effect due to the CBA expiring pretty much eliminate the ability to do it? It does in a way that maintains any cost control at all for 2020. Which to me makes it a bad idea. If the new CBA is agreed absolutely you do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 He has done everything right - plays at an elite level, team player, gives all of his effort on every down, doesn't get hurt, doesn't do stupid stuff off the field, doesn't tweet about how he's underpaid...... If there is a player to sign to a big deal, it's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) On 2/14/2020 at 1:05 PM, Logic said: Really? May I ask why you say that? I don't get that vibe AT ALL, and I expect Tre White to be the face of the Buffalo defense for the forseeable future. He is obsessed with Lousiana to the point he still acts like he plays for his college team and he tweets stupid stuff like "so much ungratefulness I know what I got to do now, bet". His "trainer" has also been quoted saying things like he wants to be "recognized as great" and its hard to "get that recognition on a team like Buffalo". Check his twitter profile sometime he doesnt even rep bills colors on it. Another good one he tweeted recently is that his LSU college coach is "the best coach he ever had". I mean honestly its whatever but I just get that vibe he is deuces Edited February 16, 2020 by BillsFan692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 9:47 AM, soflabillsfan1 said: Ralph Wilson came to me in a dream last night. He said let Tre play out his contract and then franchise him. and pay him in old, rusty nickels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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