UB2SF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Didn't see this posted elsewhere -- mods, feel free to merge. Great film study by Baldinger on Singletary's performance against the Texans. Bills Future Looks Bright with Singletary at Running Back | Baldy's Breakdowns 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 That one play where he appeared dead in the water with two tacklers around him in the flat and he got away has made its way around the internet quite well. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 This kid is so special and is is downright criminal that he was not used MORE in the game 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Dan Patrick (famous ESPN guy reminder) is deeply in love with Motor. Talked about him a lot over the past 6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Because I trust Beane, I was torn when the pick was made. In between " WTH" and "I trust Beane". I trust Beane. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This kid is so special and is is downright criminal that he was not used MORE in the game Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. Edited January 9, 2020 by Mickey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Beane mentioned that Singletary's setback with the hammy was unfortunate. Have to wonder if he ever fully healed and if not, they limited his touches for a reason other than Daboll forgot him. And I could understand that reason given the OC's penchant for the aerial game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 This is the thing with Devin YES he is a stud But I also understand why they dont work horse him......the guy is not very big. I would really like to see them pair Devin up with a huge beastly breakaway speed back this next season......not to steal his carries just to keep him fresh. I think Devin is special what a awesome 3rd round pick 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Beane mentioned that Singletary's setback with the hammy was unfortunate. Have to wonder if he ever fully healed and if not, they limited his touches for a reason other than Daboll forgot him. And I could understand that reason given the OC's penchant for the aerial game. I think they went to Gore out of fear. They took the conservative approach, believing they can trust the vet more with ball security. I also think that's why they went conservative at points with the lead during the season, fear of Allen turning it over-- more so that a hardened conservative philosophy. Edited January 9, 2020 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Watch the video and you’d think WE WON! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I think they went to Gore out of fear. They took the conservative approach, believing they can trust the vet more with ball security. I also think that's why they went conservative at points with the lead during the season, fear of Allen turning it over-- more so that a hardened conservative philosophy. If you count up all the near misses Allen had in terms of turnovers it is scary, he easily could have had three fumbles and 3 picks, one a pick 6. Allen had almost twice as many fumbles this year as the entire New Orleans Saint team had in total turnovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. He has all offseason to work on that and not needing to learn a new playbook and terminology he'll have the time. I have no doubt he'll do just that. Edited January 9, 2020 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Singletary is a shifty guy and gets the job done. I don’t think he’s capable of being a workhorse kinda back though. 25-30 touches a game might have him out of the league in 2-3 years the way we use him. I didn’t think he was capable of those really tough yards he’s getting and I’m 110% impressed with his rookie season. He has a really bright future so hopefully we get someone to compliment his game and can have a solid duo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Has great moves and power, but lacks breakaway speed - so never will be an elite RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Singletary is a shifty guy and gets the job done. I don’t think he’s capable of being a workhorse kinda back though. 25-30 touches a game might have him out of the league in 2-3 years the way we use him. I didn’t think he was capable of those really tough yards he’s getting and I’m 110% impressed with his rookie season. He has a really bright future so hopefully we get someone to compliment his game and can have a solid duo He's 2 inches shorter & 9 pounds lighter than Gore, why don't you think he can be our workhorse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, ticketssince61 said: Has great moves and power, but lacks breakaway speed - so never will be an elite RB Lev Bell doesn't really have "breakaway speed" but because of how patient and disciplined a runner he is in addition to how dynamic his receiving was he became one of the most productive backs in recent memory. Not saying Singletary can be that type of back but that you don't need elite speed to be a dynamic back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: Has great moves and power, but lacks breakaway speed - so never will be an elite RB He had as good or if not better YPC than any of the elite RBs this year. Same as Henry and better than Chubb, Elliott, Carson & MacCaffrey. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. Thurman was 5'9". He can be coached! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: He's 2 inches shorter & 9 pounds lighter than Gore, why don't you think he can be our workhorse? I don’t think it’s wise for any running back to get more than 400 touches in a season. They burn out too fast that way. 25 touches a game isn’t bad if used in the passing game. We don’t use him much in the pass game. 25 runs is 400 carries in a season. Guys are never quite the same with those kinds of workloads in today’s nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s wise for any running back to get more than 400 touches in a season. They burn out too fast that way. 25 touches a game isn’t bad if used in the passing game. We don’t use him much in the pass game. 25 runs is 400 carries in a season. Guys are never quite the same with those kinds of workloads in today’s nfl The highest in the NFL this year was 303 carries and there's several workhorse RBs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. Pass protection for a rookie RB is every rookies weakness. The hope is he grows and learns to cut and "get ran over slowly". You just need a guy that can get enough to buy allen time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: The highest in the NFL this year was 303 carries and there's several workhorse RBs in the league. Hey it’s whatever floats your boat. But look what happen to most of these high usage backs. David Johnson, Gurley, Gordon, Lamar Miller, all high usage guys when they were fresh into the league and all injured and not as explosive after high volumed seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzfan37 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. He's a rookie, he can go from useless and terrible at blitz pickup to amazing at it with some experience. Give it time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 20 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Hey it’s whatever floats your boat. But look what happen to most of these high usage backs. David Johnson, Gurley, Gordon, Lamar Miller, all high usage guys when they were fresh into the league and all injured and not as explosive after high volumed seasons Whatever floats my boat lol? This decade there's only been 1 RB that even approached 400 carries and that was Murray in 2014 with 392. Only 1 other time did someone hit 350 this decade. I'm not the one that use the 400 carries as an example, you did. I think Devin could handle 18-20 carries a game, which is a workhorse RB in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Whatever floats my boat lol? This decade there's only been 1 RB that even approached 400 carries and that was Murray in 2014 with 392. Only 1 other time did someone hit 350 this decade. I'm not the one that use the 400 carries as an example, you did. I think Devin could handle 18-20 carries a game, which is a workhorse RB in today's NFL. Well I said 400 touches originally. But the way we use him he doesn’t get many touches receiving. So that’s why I later said 25 carries a game equaling 400 carries in a season. I think you’re missing the point, he needs to be in some form on committee if you want him to stay effective in the future. It’s not about what he can do, it’s about sustaining it. Young guys who receive too much volume fade fast. There’s success stories of course but many more failure stories. So ideally you would want Devin in a committee with 1-2 other effective backs. Keeps everyone fresh and healthy and gives the team the option to ride the hot hand when someone has a bad game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I don’t think it’s wise for any running back to get more than 400 touches in a season. They burn out too fast that way. 25 touches a game isn’t bad if used in the passing game. We don’t use him much in the pass game. 25 runs is 400 carries in a season. Guys are never quite the same with those kinds of workloads in today’s nfl I think 15-20 carries is the sweet spot for him. Then have another back take 10ish. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This kid is so special and is is downright criminal that he was not used MORE in the game You can thank our moron OC. Just now, MJS said: I think 15-20 carries is the sweet spot for him. Then have another back take 10ish. Give 10 carries to Najee Harris.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This kid is so special and is is downright criminal that he was not used MORE in the game Or since the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Man, when does training camp start? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. its true How tall was/is Fred ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB2SF Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: its true How tall was/is Fred ? 6'1", I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, MJS said: I think 15-20 carries is the sweet spot for him. Then have another back take 10ish. Absolutely. The pricing and value of rookie running backs every team should want 1 main guy with 2 others capable of stepping up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Or since the beginning of the season. If he has trouble blocking up the blitz , not easy to keep him when running option plays.. Tough situation for an OC. I think he should have pase more to Gore in the flats or checked down to him 1 minute ago, UB2SF said: 6'1", I believe No way : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 and he only had 13 carries in the game, and none in overtime!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, UB2SF said: 6'1", I believe Height 6′ 1″, Weight 216 lbs I apologize UB 1 minute ago, artmalibu said: and he only had 13 carries in the game, and none in overtime!? now that was a sin ! 52 minutes ago, dbfla10 said: Pass protection for a rookie RB is every rookies weakness. The hope is he grows and learns to cut and "get ran over slowly". You just need a guy that can get enough to buy allen time. awesome ! lol and you are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 He really impressed me catching the ball against Houston, he needs to work on picking up the blitz, but I think he can be a complete back. Needs a compliment Back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. That's not necessarily true. He did miss a block against the Texans. But he's made some good blocks too. Go watch that Dallas game again. And I'm not in on that physics argument. Where that LB would be coming from on a blitz, and from a standing start at that, shouldn't put Singletary at a disadvantage big enough to make him a liability; if his technique is solid. Edited January 9, 2020 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Mickey said: Unfortunately, he is a liability in pass pro. I think the coaches are going to be caught in a constant no-win situation with him. We lose a great play maker when he is not on the field but when in pass pro he is going to get Josh killed. I don't know that all the coaching in the world is going to enable a guy who is 5'-7" to take on a blitzing backer at 6'-2", 245. Physics. ...so far as a rook......can't it be a major point to work on?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: I think 15-20 carries is the sweet spot for him. Then have another back take 10ish. Bingo. its why Beane will draft another back mid rounds and bring in a vet in FA or use Yeldon that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Bingo. its why Beane will draft another back mid rounds and bring in a vet in FA or use Yeldon that way. they will bring in another via the late draft or UDFA, or waiver wire. But what type compliments this offense with Devin as the feature back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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