mykidsdad Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 So many coaching mistakes. As mich as I hope Josh and the rest of the team learns from this loss, McClapsalot needs to learn even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: Something I thought about was why wasn't Allen trying to get Hauschka in a better range there. I recall we didn't have a timeout but could of spiked it. I cant recall the players and who was open but the point is to have an awareness of where to throw to. We tried twice to the end zone to Williams from memory. there were :20 seconds left before the 2nd down play, and ;15 left before the 3rd down play. Throwing inbounds and spiking the ball on the 2nd down play would have been cutting it close. Hauschka made the FG regardless, so I'm not sure what the issue is with this sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 You know what mcdermott is like with ball security. the lateral would of annoyed him with 1:04 left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Thats because he was trying go for the jugular instead of burning clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, london_bills said: You know what mcdermott is like with ball security. the lateral would of annoyed him with 1:04 left. It actually served to stop the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: there were :20 seconds left before the 2nd down play, and ;15 left before the 3rd down play. Throwing inbounds and spiking the ball on the 2nd down play would have been cutting it close. Hauschka made the FG regardless, so I'm not sure what the issue is with this sequence. The issue is that the field goal was not a gimme and we all breathed a sigh of relief when it went through. We Took two shots at the end zone sure, but I wonder if this ties into the 'Josh allen doing too much thing' from mcd. Situational football, a short throw to make the kick a 35 yarder and less missable. 4 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: It actually served to stop the clock. That's not what I mean. No need to throw a lateral with that long on the clock. Some people were defending the lateral because of the fact it stopped the clock!! Edited January 5, 2020 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, london_bills said: He doesn't answer injury questions directly after a playoff loss. This interview comes straight after a frustrating loss when the bills were up. He is only human, as is Allen. But remember as a coach it can also be naturally frustrating to have a player after two years still do the things that you would like to see improved. This can be another way of exerting your message as a head coach. I didn't think that is what is going on here although I might be wrong. Your last paragraph is very interesting and he is always very astute at this media managing I think. He is savvy, and could intentionally say something to cause a deflection of blame but here I think it's a bit careless and overly honest. In a way I respected his candour and the less political answer. Not sure allen would of. Yes if I was Allen I might feel annoyed with this but I thought he was trying to do too much as the game went on! But why is he more frustrated with Allen then he was with his defense? He has proactively constructed a Bills team that relies on it's defense to win games. IMO the D experienced more of a collapse in the 4th quarter/OT then Allen and the offense did. Like I've said this was a total team loss but Allen was more a positive then a negative in the game. And bringing up a lateral that while ill advised had NO NEGATIVE IMPACT on the game was curious. There are more good things to take away from Allen's first playoff game and OT experience then bad things. That's what MD should have focused on. In fact one of the lessons from this game isn't that Allen was a wild man it's that McD's entire concept may be flawed. Maybe this off season we should focus exclusively on improving the Offense even at the cost of the defense. McD might benefit from a bit more introspection here. Or maybe McD should lobby to trade Allen. I bet we would get a high 1st round draft pick for him. I'm being serious here. Allen would command a 1st round draft pick and maybe a decent veteran LB or CB to go long with the deal. Then McD can get a true game manager with a 3rd round pick (or maybe Gruden will send us Peterman back for his 5th round pick) while using the extra 1st round pick to select a CB or DE. Allen is a thoroughbred race horse and McD may think that he needs a plow horse type QB to pair with his elite Defense and conservative game plans. Okay I'm hitting the sack now but I am being half serious here. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Great. Maybe McDermott can talk about his performance tonight. Going to prevent defense with 30 minutes left in a game was disastrous. i really like McDermott's process and team building but this conservative crap has to stop or we will never be the elite team he/ we expect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, london_bills said: The issue is that the field goal was not a gimme and we all breathed a sigh of relief when it went through. We Took two shots at the end zone sure, but I wonder if this ties into the 'Josh allen doing too much thing' from mcd. Situational football, a short throw to make the kick a 35 yarder and less missable. That's not what I mean. No need to throw a lateral with that long on the clock. Some people were defending the lateral because of the fact it stopped the clock!! what negative impact did the lateral have? Perhaps McDermott should be more upset with the defenders who missed tackles today, or maybe he should be questioning why Gore got 8 carries, and Singletary 13. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Maine-iac said: Maybe it's putting too much on the defense but that's seemingly the build right now. Defense keeps the score nice and low and Allen pulls it out. The defense didn't get the stops on plays where they seemingly had stops and Allen and the offense "made plays" to get into scoring position but then took sacks and penalties that took them out. They just didn't finish. Have to agree...they gave 2 TDs and 2 2-pt conversions...and then the big conversions on the final drive..that was surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: what negative impact did the lateral have? Perhaps McDermott should be more upset with the defenders who missed tackles today, or maybe he should be questioning why Gore got 8 carries, and Singletary 13. It didn't have a negative impact. But it could have. For me it was more symptomatic of how reckless Allen can play sometimes, I do understand he makes plays out of nothing. It's when the reckless plays feel a bit desperate when I have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Sorry but F McDermott on this one. Why did Josh try and do “too much”... perhaps because you asked him to throw the ball 46 times and only had the best offensive player carry the ball THIRTEEN times, while inexplicably giving roughly 40% of the carries to Frank freaking Gore! Singletary was out there making plays all game, and 13 carries, FFS this loss is clearly on coaching and game planning. The talent is there, atleast to get out of the first round, the coaching however is another story. I still like McDermott, but unfortunately for the team as a whole this game leaves me with more questions than answers moving forward. ”Future is bright” Is it though? Blew a 16 point lead in the playoffs, with the number 2 overall ranked defense and a QB who didn’t throw an interception. Josh didn’t try and do too much, your coaches didn’t do enough, got too cute (how do you not get off the field on 3rd and 18!?), and cost this franchise a great moment in it’s history. Edited January 5, 2020 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 hours ago, White Linen said: There's a recording of a mic on the head ref. He said the Texans player did an oopsie so no TD. As ridiculous as it was, the Texans player made a colossal mistake. You don't get a do over for embarrassing mistakes. As much as everyone knows he didn't intend to throw the ball away, the fact remains that he did. By the rule book the correct call was made. The receiver did not follow protocol for giving himself up, he caught the ball without a fair catch signal and walked forward. The ref gave every indication the play was still live as he didn't take a knee. He continues forward and tosses the ball, the ref getting out of the way indicating it is still a live ball. The Bills recovered and it is signalled a td. What was the indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field? Since when are embarrassing mistakes from not knowing the rules just disregarded because 'we all know what he meant to do'? The guy screwed up, then the refs screwed up, and it should have been a td. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Turk71 said: As ridiculous as it was, the Texans player made a colossal mistake. You don't get a do over for embarrassing mistakes. As much as everyone knows he didn't intend to throw the ball away, the fact remains that he did. By the rule book the correct call was made. The receiver did not follow protocol for giving himself up, he caught the ball without a fair catch signal and walked forward. The ref gave every indication the play was still live as he didn't take a knee. He continues forward and tosses the ball, the ref getting out of the way indicating it is still a live ball. The Bills recovered and it is signalled a td. What was the indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field? Since when are embarrassing mistakes from not knowing the rules just disregarded because 'we all know what he meant to do'? The guy screwed up, then the refs screwed up, and it should have been a td. 100% agreed. It should've been a Bills TD or Safety at absolute worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Do The Reich Thing said: 100% agreed. It should've been a Bills TD or Safety at absolute worst By the rules it was a td. There are protocols so the refs don't have to guess your intention. The receiver did not follow them and the ref clearly indicated he hadn't, meaning the ball was in play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Turk71 said: By the rules it was a td. There are protocols so the refs don't have to guess your intention. The receiver did not follow them and the ref clearly indicated he hadn't, meaning the ball was in play. I agree with you. The fact that all the talking heads agree that it was a score and called incorrectly against the rules shows a lot because they all despise Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mshaw Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 blaming your QB after one of the worst playoff coaching displays in the last decade is embarrassing for McD if he doesn't win the division next season he should be on the hotseat. we have accepted mediocrity for too long at this franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Jerboski said: Hey Sean, how about you talk about getting outcoached the entire second half, maybe you should try to do a little more rather than taking the foot off the gas as your usual He wasn’t outcoached. If anything O’Brien gave him a chance to win. It was not the best performance, but his back was against the wall given how poorly Allen played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: i really like McDermott's process and team building but this conservative crap has to stop or we will never be the elite team he/ we expect. ...EXACTLY..........a/k/a Coach Fearful...........SMH..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I would honestly be okay if they fired McDermot and his staff today. They are incapable of building a playoff caliber offense and are incapable of making adjustments during the game. His attempt to build a culture while over looking talent is going to make the Bills a 3-13 team next year when they have a tougher schedule. We’ve had two easily winnable playoff games under his tenure and just making the playoffs is not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Whatever McConservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Hey Sean, I'd rather have him do too much than do nothing!!!! Is the guy that packed the team in and played for FGs up 10 in the 2Q, had his punter take a snap under center to spike the ball, call unnecessary 2 risky low low percentage chucks at endzone with 15 secs from tying, who put his D in prevent in any position to talk? Shut it sean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said: And he looked bad...really bad. I have zero confidence Allen can win a game by passing late in the 4th quarter. His passes over 20 years downfield have to improve if he's going to succeed. He looked like a 23 year old puppy who's never been in that position before who needed help from his teammates. Despite that he was able to make plays. But he didn't get help from his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Mshaw said: reality is gonna hit this team hard next season. we could go back to being a 6-8 win team again The AFC East is sitting there for the taking, for the first time in like 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen obviously tried to do too much, he was a disaster at times. Aside from motor though, he was the only guy who showed up on offense. I'll give a pass to bease because he was riding the pine while practice squad guys ran dabols trash plays. Blocking was just cheeks. Our offense hates to be in an advantage position. Five wide with no motion in the condensed part of the field is something they love to lose with. It's disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Allen is a aggressive player. You have to let him be. He is like a Brett Favre. He also extended plays and made nice throws on the run. You have a talk with Allen about the lateral, but you don't bring it up with the media. Classless by McDermott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said: Absolutely , classless remarks by Sean. The kid was buried by free rushers caused by bad O-line breakdowns. Same thing happened at the end of Baltimore and N E.games. Why lay this loss on Josh, when you're responsible for the horrendous defensive ineptitude that resulted in the conversion of that 3rd and 18. How about the missed tackles on Watson's touchdown, 2pt conversion and OT backbreaker. This kid put us in position to get into OT and then win the game , if Ford doesn't commit the PF. Everyone had a role in this debauchery. Sean ,try and remember, this kid is our future. Don't destroy his confidence. Not to mention if we stop just ONE of the two 2 point conversion attempts - and everything else played out the same, we'd have won 19-18 in regulation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Josh puts the loss squarely on his own shoulders and the Head Coach throws his 2nd year QB under the bus.. When you let your QB get bumrushed , how the hell can you say he tried to do too much? I lost a lot of respect for this guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: Sorry but F McDermott on this one. Why did Josh try and do “too much”... perhaps because you asked him to throw the ball 46 times and only had the best offensive player carry the ball THIRTEEN times, while inexplicably giving roughly 40% of the carries to Frank freaking Gore! Singletary was out there making plays all game, and 13 carries, FFS this loss is clearly on coaching and game planning. The talent is there, atleast to get out of the first round, the coaching however is another story. I still like McDermott, but unfortunately for the team as a whole this game leaves me with more questions than answers moving forward. ”Future is bright” Is it though? Blew a 16 point lead in the playoffs, with the number 2 overall ranked defense and a QB who didn’t throw an interception. Josh didn’t try and do too much, your coaches didn’t do enough, got too cute (how do you not get off the field on 3rd and 18!?), and cost this franchise a great moment in it’s history. This is exactly right! if this was McDs idea to throw that much perhaps he needs to go. Allen throwing 48 times a game is moronic. That is what you see losing teams do once they are behind in a game. Not when you have a 13 point half time lead Frank Gore a 8 carries for 22 yards 2.8 ypc avg and a 14 yard run the longest. Now take away that one 14 yard run and its 7 carries for 7 yards, a 1.0 ypc avg. This loss is all on the coaching staff IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: He wasn’t outcoached. If anything O’Brien gave him a chance to win. It was not the best performance, but his back was against the wall given how poorly Allen played When you are up 16-0 at halftime and blow that, coaching has blame as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, london_bills said: Something I thought about was why wasn't Allen trying to get Hauschka in a better range there. I recall we didn't have a timeout but could of spiked it. I think we had 15 seconds?? I cant recall the players and who was open but the point is to have an awareness of where to throw to. We tried twice to the end zone to Williams from memory. no timeouts and 15 on the clock A short completion they might not be able to clock it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: He wasn’t outcoached. If anything O’Brien gave him a chance to win. It was not the best performance, but his back was against the wall given how poorly Allen played He was outcoached, Phil. There's another thread on the board linking to an article which does a good job of spelling out a number of boneheaded coaching calls, in detail. When you are up 16-0 and you let the other team have 2 TD drives, that's not all on the QB. It's not all on coaching too - coaching wasn't telling Milano and Neal to miss tackles and likely wasn't directing them give up that underneath range all the way past the sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: no timeouts and 15 on the clock A short completion they might not be able to clock it? Any competent offense should be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I may have come off as too harsh on Allen - I should mention that he made quite a few spectacular plays that most qbs don’t make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Tried posting this in another thread which got locked but I think it's related: Quote are we not better off finding a coordinator that's creative with the run game (Anthony Lynn-esk), draft a stud RB, and re-vamping the O line for more zone blocking and guards who can pull rather than forcing Josh to play read the defense for 60 mins? If you run more play action you have more opportunities to get the QB making plays on the run which is Josh's biggest strength. It might mean having to trade Morse but it would seem a better fit for how McD likes to play. 46 passes + 9 runs is too much. He's not Brady. I wish we had Titans offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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