Post Playoff Game - Is Josh Allen the Bills Franchise QB?

[habes1280]

The jury's still out, but he's further along than I thought he'd be.  Coming into the season, I didn't think he had games like the Dallas game or the first half of the Texans game in him.  His profile had always been that he could flash with the right coaching and enough development, but that it might take more time than most.  His play this year showed that he has the stuff right now, he just needs to learn to get out of his own way.  I'll take that.

[jrober38]

10 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

With that second half defensive performance?  there is no super bowl contention happening 

 

Deshaun Watson is one of the top 4 QBs in football.

 

At some point they were going to score.

 

When they did, our QB responded by fumbling the ball away in our own territory, and at that point the Texans and their home field advantage smelled blood in the water. 

 

Our offense is terrible. We can't consistently score 19 points a game, including yesterday when we faced one of the worst defenses in football. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

7 hours ago, iinii said:

Without that defense and the soft schedule he doesn’t sniff the playoffs. 

Any team with a tough schedule and a mediocre defense isn’t sniffing the playoffs either, friend. 

[iinii]

15 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Any team with a tough schedule and a mediocre defense isn’t sniffing the playoffs either, friend. 

No? What about NO, GB, Tennessee, Houston, Seattle? They range from 11 to 26 in overall defense. I couldn’t get the link to paste but you can check it out in nfl.com. 

[Cripple Creek]

11 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

He will only be in the 3rd year of his contract, so the Bills still have his 4th year + a 5th year option. I don’t think I’d say that the Bills have to decide whether to give him a long term deal by the end of next season. All they’ll really have to decide on for sure is if he’s worth the 5th year option. 

Those, really, are one & the same.

 

Do you want them to use a high pick on a QB in the 2021 draft? Go out and get someone via FA?  Or, are you willing to relive the purgatory that is not having “that” QB on the roster for multiple years?

 

Don’t extend & feelings are hurt, psyches damaged. They need to make up their minds next year and then move decisively based on the choice they make.

[Willyville Guy]

These past two seasons were highly entertaining.  I ride with Allen and hope the Bills continue to build around him.

[thunderingsquid]

This Josh hate mystifies me.  It is so irrational.  He put us in a position to get to OT AND to win.  He made some crazy decisions, sure, but he was both running for his life and hamstrung by conservative play calling down the stretch.  This loss was a team effort on offense mostly and I point the finger at DAboll and the OLine more than Josh alone.  Ridiculous.

 

This loss was not all on him no matter what these fair weather haters that are suddenly coming out of the woodwork may be saying.

[Buffalo86]

13 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I find it hilarious that no one has created a thread about that single play.

 

Or perhaps his "Hail Mary" pass he threw up for grabs while in OT in a playoff game.

 

That is "can't happen" stuff and it's still happening from him.

 

And then the late throws, the fumble problems, the blitz problem, the reading defenses problem, the accuracy problem, the long ball problem....

 

How long does he get?!  

 

Both of those plays were horrific; it was as if someone pressed the self destruct button on Josh Allen.  He improved quite a bit in year 2, but he looked like a rookie in the 2nd half last night, complete with a look of panic on his face at all times.  Here's hoping we don't see THAT Josh again.

[RaoulDuke79]

12 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I prefer QBs who don't fall behind in the first place.

I'm not sure one of those exists. 

[london_bills]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

 

Both of those plays were horrific; it was as if someone pressed the self destruct button on Josh Allen.  He improved quite a bit in year 2, but he looked like a rookie in the 2nd half last night, complete with a look of panic on his face at all times.  Here's hoping we don't see THAT Josh again.

That look of panic you mention, lack of composure. That josh - it's the same 'rattled' thing we talk about every game. 

 

After a good first half aswell. 

 

'4th quarter josh' wasn't there yesterday and the narrative that he is winning games there has started to grind to a halt. 

 

We did stop running the football that is true. 

[JaCrispy]

Josh Allen is a “Franchise QB” in name only imo...he has not yet earned it with his play on the field...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

 

'4th quarter josh' wasn't there yesterday and the narrative that he is winning games there has started to grind to a halt

 

False.

[cd1]

14 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Josh Allen is not a franchise QB, at least not now anyway. He may be a nice kid, but come on!

 

16 points were left on the board yesterday.

 

Brown (6), Duke (6) & Hauschka (4)!

 

Heck - If Hauschka does not miss that extra point  - we are all celebrating a WIN right now.

 

Lighten up, Francis!

[Royale with Cheese]

Not yet.  I like him and he took steps this year but isn’t franchise yet.  Needs to take another step.  

[wagon127]

I mean, he has earned a third year as our starter. But we have seen these 3rd seasons either make or break QBs. He is year to year at this point, not franchise yet.

4 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

16 points were left on the board yesterday.

 

Brown (6), Duke (6) & Hauschka (4)!

 

Heck - If Hauschka does not miss that extra point  - we are all celebrating a WIN right now.

 

Lighten up, Francis!

Hauschka didnt miss a field goal, or an extra point yesterday. What are you talking about?

[The Frankish Reich]

True "Franchise QBs" that have emerged in the last 3 seasons -- guys that, if this were baseball, would be getting 8 year/$300 million extensions right now:

- Deshaun Watson

- Patrick Mahomes

- Lamar Jackson

That's it.

Early last season it looked like Jared Goff had entered that category (and he did get the money to prove it). Late last season it looked like Baker Mayfield might be moving into that category. Early this season it was Dak Prescott. None of those guys would get that kind of deal right now.

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Any team with a tough schedule and a mediocre defense isn’t sniffing the playoffs either, friend. 

On paper it’s a much harder schedule next year 

[Elite Poster]

Jury still out. Needs to grow again going into the next season and we got something. 

[oldmanfan]

He improved from year one to year two.  Why would we expect he won’t improve from year two to year three?

[BillsMafi$]

Josh Allen now has 28 starts. He was below-average in every passing metric other than sack avoidance this year. If he's going to be something special, wouldn't we know by now? Is there any quarterback who made a major leap after two below-average seasons? Maybe it's possible.

[row_33]

I will not give it a thought until we have a serious QB controversy in camp

 

Until then , he is the man

[Chaos]

Who fumbled more this year Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen ? Jackson
Who took more sacks this year D. Watson or Josh Allen? Watson

Who had more turnovers this year Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has more playmakers on his team, Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has a better oline Jackson or  Allen? Jackson

 

These three QBs are not asked to play like brees or brady.   Allens perceived issues are because people don't understand what he is being asked to do.  And how little help he has compared to other QBs asked to do the similar things. 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2020 by Chaos
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[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Who fumbled more this year Lamar Alexander or Josh Allen ? Alexander
Who took more sacks this year D. Watson or Josh Allen? Watson

Who had more turnovers this year Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has more playmakers on his team, Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has a better oline Alexander or  Allen? Alexander

 

These three QBs are not asked to play like brees or brady.   Allens percieved issues are because people don't understand what he is being asked to do.  And how little help he has compared to other QBs asked to do the similar things. 

 

 

Do you mean Jackson?

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Do you mean Jackson?

thank you. i will fix

[MAJBobby]

17 hours ago, Bakin said:

I am a homer. 
And I really love the kid. 
So I’m an emphatic YES. 

I have no doubt that he is crushed right now - and he believes the loss is on him. 

Sure, he makes boneheaded plays now and again...

BUT 

He has the arm, the legs, the heart...between the ears remains a work in progress and I’m confident he will only get better. 
 

Thoughts?

undetermined. 
 

but enough there that I want to see more. 
 

right now Floor is what we saw. One and done BUT in the playoffs. (Ala Dalton). 

[peterpan]

The answer is no, because he just is not one currently.  It's likely he will become one, but right now, he's not. 

[row_33]

We can always do worse, and usually have

[buffaloboyinATL]

He is our guy. Keep building around him and he will keep getting better.  

[Scott7975]

I voted yes.  Really what I think is that he isn't there yet, but he will be.  I expect some better offensive acquisitions this off season and the offense to take a sizeable jump next season.  I expect Beane to start making some high round draft picks on offense this year.  They have spent years spending resources on defense.  Our defense is good enough to win a championship.  Re-sign the guys there that need signing and catch this offense up.  I think Allen can take us there.

[Billl]

40 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Who fumbled more this year Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen ? Jackson
Who took more sacks this year D. Watson or Josh Allen? Watson

Who had more turnovers this year Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has more playmakers on his team, Watson or Allen? Watson
Who has a better oline Jackson or  Allen? Jackson

 

These three QBs are not asked to play like brees or brady.   Allens perceived issues are because people don't understand what he is being asked to do.  And how little help he has compared to other QBs asked to do the similar things. 

 

 

Are you joking?

Jackson has 9 fumbles on the year.  Allen had 16.

Jackson has 8 turnovers.  Allen had 14.

[Shaw66]

18 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Josh Allen is not a franchise QB, at least not now anyway. He may be a nice kid, but come on!

He is the franchise's quarterback and will be for ten years or more.   

 

The definition of a franchise QB is a QB the franchise will keep, and Allen is a keeper.   There is no way, for example, that a Tannehill is going to come along and take the job from Allen like he did from Tennessee's supposed franchise QB.

 

Is he a big winner?  Not yet.  

[Chaos]

13 minutes ago, Billl said:

Are you joking?

Jackson has 9 fumbles on the year.  Allen had 16.

Jackson has 8 turnovers.  Allen had 14.

Fumbles lost

 

Call NFL.com with your corrections

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2019&seasonType=REG&experience=2&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Go

Edited January 5, 2020 by Chaos

[BillsFan4]

He definitely improved this season, and I have a lot of hope that he will make another jump next season. But only time will tell...

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/why-josh-allen-is-anxious-to-get-back-to-work-in-preparation-for-the-2020-season

 

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His production was up across the board. There was a six percent jump in completion percentage. A 50 percent jump in touchdown passes. A 38 percent jump in total touchdowns and a 33 percent drop in interceptions despite attempting 140 more passes this season. His passer rating also increased by almost 20 points (67.9 to 85.3).

 

Allen also became a more efficient short-to-intermediate passer and a better passer from the pocket. According to NextGen Stats Allen’s completion percentage inside the tackle box went from 58.8 percent in 2018 to 63.4 percent in 2019.

 

His touchdown to interception ratio in the pocket went from 1:1 last season (9 TDs, 9 INTs) to 5:2 this year (15 TDs, 6 INTs). His passer rating in the pocket rose from 75.9 to 90.8. And perhaps most important, his time to deliver the ball shrank from an average of 3.22 seconds to 2.86 seconds.

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Over the last 11 weeks of the regular season, Allen had the third-best touchdown to interception ratio (15:2) in the NFL.

 

 

It was only his 2nd season (and he didn’t really even start a full season’s worth of games until part way thru this season). He was pretty raw coming out of the draft too. 

I am pretty damn happy with the way he’s developed so far. Obviously there’s still plenty of work to be done, but it was never going to happen overnight. All I want is steady growth and he definitely seems to be trending in the right direction. 

Edited January 6, 2020 by BillsFan4

[quinnearlysghost88]

On 1/5/2020 at 11:03 AM, iinii said:

No? What about NO, GB, Tennessee, Houston, Seattle? They range from 11 to 26 in overall defense. I couldn’t get the link to paste but you can check it out in nfl.com. 

Three of those teams had bottom 16 strength of schedules. https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-strength-schedule-rankings-2019-180553419.html?guccounter=1

Three of those teams are in the top 16 in defense. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm

 

 

 

 

 

[iinii]

6 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Three of those teams had bottom 16 strength of schedules. https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-strength-schedule-rankings-2019-180553419.html?guccounter=1

Three of those teams are in the top 16 in defense. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm

 

 

 

 

 

Five are below average. KC at 17, GB at 18, Tennessee at 21, Seattle at 26, and Houston at 28. All still in the playoffs. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2019&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Edited January 6, 2020 by iinii

[JaCrispy]

In name only...but he has not earned it with his play imo...

[london_bills]

On 1/5/2020 at 8:13 PM, Shaw66 said:

He is the franchise's quarterback and will be for ten years or more.   

 

The definition of a franchise QB is a QB the franchise will keep, and Allen is a keeper.   There is no way, for example, that a Tannehill is going to come along and take the job from Allen like he did from Tennessee's supposed franchise QB.

 

Is he a big winner?  Not yet.  

He will get less than that if he doesnt pan out though won't he.