wppete Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Very Interesting. I now understand why Daboll is so respected in the NFL coaching community. 2 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Hmmm, I get this, but his success in the NFL has not been good according to what I have heard, (?) till now as an OC in the league, sometimes it takes time... I guess. Can’t wait to see what he can do with an improved selection of offensive weapons next season, after we win the super bowl this year. Go Bills!!! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 never understood why these guys don't take the shades off for interviews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: never understood why these guys don't take the shades off for interviews. In Sparano's case I think he had eyeball issues. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: never understood why these guys don't take the shades off for interviews. Sparano had eye issues, he always wore sunglasses even indoors. RIP Tony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Its exactly what I've seen from Josh this year. He's reading the field way better than last year and he has a much better understanding of where to go. I've stated before, that was his biggest improvement from last year. This video really explains why. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Hmmm, I get this, but his success in the NFL has not been good according to what I have heard, (?) till now as an OC in the league, sometimes it takes time... I guess. Can’t wait to see what he can do with an improved selection of offensive weapons next season, after we win the super bowl this year. Go Bills!!! I mean he’s also had garbage at QB until now. Allen is basically the best QB he’s had as an OC. 2009-2010 Cleveland Browns: Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson/Colt McCoy (32nd & 29th ranked offenses) 2011 Miami Dolphins: Matt Moore/Chad Henne (20th ranked offense) 2012 Kansas City: Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn/ Ricky Stanzi Thats just a list of bad QB’s. He’s finally got one he can develop, give them time together. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: Thats just a list of bad QB’s. He’s finally got one he can develop, give them time together. I'm trying to be patient with these two and hope it becomes a long term solution for the offense. So far it's been a little rocky and I just don't feel like Daboll is a great play caller or schemer. We have a lot of underused weapons on this offense and it lacks creativity and diversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Bills83 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 36 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: In Sparano's case I think he had eyeball issues. Like Gase? Tell that MOFO to wear glasses...... RIP Tony 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Dkollidas said: I mean he’s also had garbage at QB until now. Allen is basically the best QB he’s had as an OC. 2009-2010 Cleveland Browns: Brady Quinn/Derek Anderson/Colt McCoy (32nd & 29th ranked offenses) 2011 Miami Dolphins: Matt Moore/Chad Henne (20th ranked offense) 2012 Kansas City: Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn/ Ricky Stanzi Thats just a list of bad QB’s. He’s finally got one he can develop, give them time together. That’s why I said “till now” ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 No doubt Daboll is a Belichick disciple, in that he's been cross-trained on both sides of the ball, and values the schematic flexibility to attack defenses in multiple ways. I wonder if such multiplicity requires, at least for Daboll's offense, a playbook that is voluminous and intricate to a fault. Smoke Brown has admitted it's the most difficult offense he's ever learned. I'll bet other players feel similarly. Does that result in more errors on the field? More thinking and less play-making? Didn't the offense this season seem to hit its stride when they shifted mostly to one personnel package (11-personnel) and a no-huddle approach? You know, when Daboll simplified his gameplans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 hours ago, wppete said: Very Interesting. I now understand why Daboll is so respected in the NFL coaching community. good find, sick of the "fans" thinking hes bum when he 's really smart. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: No doubt Daboll is a Belichick disciple, in that he's been cross-trained on both sides of the ball, and values the schematic flexibility to attack defenses in multiple ways. I wonder if such multiplicity requires, at least for Daboll's offense, a playbook that is voluminous and intricate to a fault. Smoke Brown has admitted it's the most difficult offense he's ever learned. I'll bet other players feel similarly. Does that result in more errors on the field? More thinking and less play-making? Didn't the offense this season seem to hit its stride when they shifted mostly to one personnel package (11-personnel) and a no-huddle approach? You know, when Daboll simplified his gameplans? Looked to me less like simplifying and more like finding the group of guys that had the best synchronicity and talent level, and that at the same time stressed the defense more by giving them less time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 hours ago, wppete said: Sparano had eye issues, he always wore sunglasses even indoors. RIP Tony. ...damaged eyesight at age 17 while working a fast food job...........passing at 56 was far too young............... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 hours ago, BillsRdue said: I'm trying to be patient with these two and hope it becomes a long term solution for the offense. So far it's been a little rocky and I just don't feel like Daboll is a great play caller or schemer. We have a lot of underused weapons on this offense and it lacks creativity and diversity. What I find more perplexing from Daboll (and other Bills OCs before) is how hit or miss the play calling can be. One week, its dynamic, attacking, involves several weapons, mixes passes/runs well...and we win. Another week, it will be very basic, predictable and uninspiring...and we typically struggle. 2nd Patriots game is a good example, where Singletary was run between the tackles over and over on first down to little effect, keeping the offense bottled up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Oh my gosh. Sparano looks like Dave Wannstedt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) Removed. Edited January 4, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: good find, sick of the "fans" thinking hes bum when he 's really smart. Size up those ‘fans’ and you’ll understand. It won’t keep you from becoming ill, but you’ll be able to spot them earlier and avoid their takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I’ve got no issue with Daboll’s player development - he’s clearly a good coach who can develop and improve players on offense. Where I struggle with him is on game planning and play calling between the 40s. Something happens when the Bills get to midfield - he seems to completely lose his feel for the game and the play calling becomes ridiculous. Maybe he can fix it, I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’ve got no issue with Daboll’s player development - he’s clearly a good coach who can develop and improve players on offense. Where I struggle with him is on game planning and play calling between the 40s. Something happens when the Bills get to midfield - he seems to completely lose his feel for the game and the play calling becomes ridiculous. Maybe he can fix it, I don’t know. Honestly Coach, I think a lot of the problem is Josh's inaccuracy. I've seen plays called where Josh missed on the throw. Or Oline whiffs on blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Very interesting thanks for sharing. BTW what did he die from? Seems like he was a cool guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, the skycap said: Honestly Coach, I think a lot of the problem is Josh's inaccuracy. I've seen plays called where Josh missed on the throw. Or Oline whiffs on blocks. Or playing top 10 defenses repeatedly over the last few weeks. I think this will be a break out game for the offense against a weak defense. Look at Allen's completion percentage throughout the season. He was comfortably above 60% the first half of the season. As soon as he started playing top defenses that percentage tumbled. The Texans have too many flaws on defense and Buffalo has the weapons to exploit them. I think Daboll is doing a good job. His offense is complicated and against weaker defenses, shines. I have to believe that the offense is still growing into a more dominant unit. The only thing I am concerned about is how conservative the team plays when we have a lead. In the playoffs, that mentality can come back to bite you. Got to keep your foot on the gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, the skycap said: Honestly Coach, I think a lot of the problem is Josh's inaccuracy. I've seen plays called where Josh missed on the throw. Or Oline whiffs on blocks. Some of it is Josh, but lots of dropped passes, plus some O line break downs that have ended drives, play calling has not helped at times either. We shall see how this all progresses. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 My problem with Daboll is that his play calling goes to sleep for entire portions of the game most weeks. Then, seemingly out of the blue, the Bills put a drive together and everyone in the room says ‘where have those plays been all game long’? Or...‘Did Daboll just realize there’s a backside to his play sheet’? There are no throw away possessions in the playoffs! Come on Daboll! Make every possession count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: My problem with Daboll is that his play calling goes to sleep for entire portions of the game most weeks. Then, seemingly out of the blue, the Bills put a drive together and everyone in the room says ‘where have those plays been all game long’? Or...‘Did Daboll just realize there’s a backside to his play sheet’? There are no throw away possessions in the playoffs! Come on Daboll! Make every possession count. Daboll's play calling goes to sleep when receivers drop balls, Allen throws incomplete passes, and the oline fails to block. There were dozens of big plays left on the field this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 As far as WR or TE that’s as may be but he needs to go back to his roots with the front 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Haslett_Stomp said: never understood why these guys don't take the shades off for interviews. Because when he was 16 and working at a fast food place changing hot fryer oil the hose exploded in his face and damaged both eyes, burning his cornea making his left eye sensitive to light. http://m.startribune.com/behind-the-shades-tony-sparano-gives-vikings-o-line-fresh-set-of-eyes/388038942/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 How many times has he called that QB sweep play and how many times has it worked? His scheme and player development might be good but his play calling is atrocious more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said: Because when he was 16 and working at a fast food place changing hot fryer oil the hose exploded in his face and damaged both eyes, burning his cornea making his left eye sensitive to light. http://m.startribune.com/behind-the-shades-tony-sparano-gives-vikings-o-line-fresh-set-of-eyes/388038942/ Jeez, I was not aware (and feel like a dumbass). RIP Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: Jeez, I was not aware (and feel like a dumbass). RIP Tony. ease up on yourself bud......not everyone would know.....similar situation with Mark Davis of Barrett-Jackson auto auctioneers.....you would not know unless you looked it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: My problem with Daboll is that his play calling goes to sleep for entire portions of the game most weeks. Then, seemingly out of the blue, the Bills put a drive together and everyone in the room says ‘where have those plays been all game long’? Or...‘Did Daboll just realize there’s a backside to his play sheet’? There are no throw away possessions in the playoffs! Come on Daboll! Make every possession count. Isn't it like that for ALL teams? One difference is there's not been a dominating all-out offensive game, except maybe for the 1st half of the Vikings game. But even powerful offenses, while we can "sense" they will score and get some drives at some point, they still punt. I've seen Rodgers with many 3 and outs. I think highlights give people unrealistic expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 The Bills will be lucky to have Daboll back with Josh for a third straight season. A lot of QB's are held back in their development by having a constant windmill of OC's and HC's. It's not as important later in a QB's career but especially early on, QB's can really benefit from the consistency and rapport they develop with that one guy who they can trust and who knows their strengths and weaknesses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: The Bills will be lucky to have Daboll back with Josh for a third straight season. A lot of QB's are held back in their development by having a constant windmill of OC's and HC's. It's not as important later in a QB's career but especially early on, QB's can really benefit from the consistency and rapport they develop with that one guy who they can trust and who knows their strengths and weaknesses. It's also been made abundantly clear in recent interviews that Josh trusts Daboll completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay free Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 You are what your record says you are. They are who we thought they were....the bills have TOO MUCH talent on offense to be bottom of the league. Duke and isiah should both be starting. Lee smith should be inactive. more screens, shallow crosses, no huddle should be employed....reverses, and 3 wide go routes.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jay free said: You are what your record says you are. They are who we thought they were....the bills have TOO MUCH talent on offense to be bottom of the league. Duke and isiah should both be starting. Lee smith should be inactive. more screens, shallow crosses, no huddle should be employed....reverses, and 3 wide go routes.... I agree Duke should be playing today but I would make Foster inactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 hours ago, BillsRdue said: I'm trying to be patient with these two and hope it becomes a long term solution for the offense. So far it's been a little rocky and I just don't feel like Daboll is a great play caller or schemer. We have a lot of underused weapons on this offense and it lacks creativity and diversity. This is exactly how I view Daboll. He just doesn't impress me much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, harv shitz said: This is exactly how I view Daboll. He just doesn't impress me much. ...probably yet another senior moment observation, but why do I think he shows something being successful offensively, but then abandons it?...admittedly, I'm probably way off base but he seems to be "play fearless" and then reverts back to "play fearful"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Isn't it like that for ALL teams? One difference is there's not been a dominating all-out offensive game, except maybe for the 1st half of the Vikings game. But even powerful offenses, while we can "sense" they will score and get some drives at some point, they still punt. I've seen Rodgers with many 3 and outs. I think highlights give people unrealistic expectations. I’m sure most teams suffer from similar issues but my comments are directly related to play calling creativity. The Bills have way too many possessions that look like preseason games with the simplistic plays you’d expect in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...probably yet another senior moment observation, but why do I think he shows something being successful offensively, but then abandons it?...admittedly, I'm probably way off base but he seems to be "play fearless" and then reverts back to "play fearful"..... I have seen the same thing! He gets something working, then forgets it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Size up those ‘fans’ and you’ll understand. It won’t keep you from becoming ill, but you’ll be able to spot them earlier and avoid their takes. Unfortunately there are a lot of them here with all the anti Daboll threads that go up every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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