Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, row_33 said: to jump from playoff achieving to serious title contender will have to require some heartless moves at just the right time dumping McD and bringing in a coach who has "been there" might be one of them Lol I can’t even respond in a serious manner. Congrats you won dumbest post of the day 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Really dumb take op. Are we not improving? Doesn’t it take time to get there? The best season we’ve had in decades and you write this? Theres always one that has to rattle the cage lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: Lol I can’t even respond in a serious manner. Congrats you won dumbest post of the day how so? have you been around to watch a franchise go from nothing to Champions a few times? Please list them so you have some base as a fan for watching this great process..... if none, then stay quiet in your little corner... takes various steps to get there, and then to get to the top Edited January 2, 2020 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I mean, so long as this staff refuses to play Duke Williams, this coaching staff cannot be said to be seriously striving for a championship. Am I doing this right? 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Its called raising the bar. Not resting on your laurels and being happy with what you already accomplished. If you aren't improving you are getting worse. There is no standing still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 the Blue Jays dumped Bobby Cox when they made the playoffs, realized he was a total zero as a manager in the playoffs, made the change and won 2 titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Metaphorically, I never “aim to shoot the dog”. ( my old manager used to use that West Virginian phrase). You always aim high as an athlete. With a humiliating loss to the Titans Saturday, let’s hope B & B retire, and then we own the AFCE with more talent in free agency and the draft. Nothing less than 10 wins every year. We get our next Tomlin meaning a winning coach and Mgmt for over a decade, and bring pride back to this great city. We want teams afraid to play Buffalo in New Era field and the next stadium as that is coming in there to four years. I certainly hope we repeat Seattle’s architecture so wind is cut down, the noise level is deafening, and the partial roof cuts down on the snow and rain for fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, row_33 said: to jump from playoff achieving to serious title contender will have to require some heartless moves at just the right time dumping McD and bringing in a coach who has "been there" might be one of them Or........McD just might be a big part of the reason for our upward trajectory. Just like players, he too can continue to evolve and improve. Every coach who has ever “been there”, at one point had not “been there”. . Edited January 2, 2020 by Augie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I mean, so long as this staff refuses to play Duke Williams, this coaching staff cannot be said to be seriously striving for a championship. Am I doing this right? it's a move with 20/20 hindsight the team has earned a playoff spot for the first time in 20 years, still improvements to be made the franchise seems to be committed to taking the next steps, but then again at least14 teams are committed as well, they will improve and hope to fill in the vacancy left by the Pats Dynasty falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Geez, between the OP and Rows posts, I feel like this is a SNL skit or something. Horrendous posts 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: how so? have you been around to watch a franchise go from nothing to Champions a few times? takes various steps to get there, and then to get to the top You are talking about dumping mcdermott who has made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, and hasn’t even played the game yet this year. Everyone who has “been there” at one time had not. The more Allen grows the better everyone looks. I just can’t fathom at this point even thinking about needing a coaching change. By your logic Kansas City should fire Andy Reid cause he can’t get his teams over the hump And thanks for editing in your little sly remark later ? Edited January 2, 2020 by Rc2catch 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, row_33 said: it's a move with 20/20 hindsight the team has earned a playoff spot for the first time in 20 years, still improvements to be made the franchise seems to be committed to taking the next steps, but then again at least14 teams are committed as well, they will improve and hope to fill in the vacancy left by the Pats Dynasty falling apart. I was being sarcastic. The team has lots of improvements to make (even though it is actually the first earned playoff spot in only two years). You are right, however, every other team is equally committed to improving. I have a hard time believing this organization isn't committed to taking the next steps. 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: You are talking about dumping mcdermott who has made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, and hasn’t even played the game yet this year. Everyone who has “been there” at one time had not. The more Allen grows the better everyone looks. I just can’t fathom at this point even thinking about needing a coaching change. By your logic Kansas City should fire Andy Reid cause he can’t get his teams over the hump Where did he say we should dump McDermott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, row_33 said: to jump from playoff achieving to serious title contender will have to require some heartless moves at just the right time dumping McD and bringing in a coach who has "been there" might be one of them McD has been there, albeit as a coordinator. But I wouldn’t discount his playoff experience as a great steadying hand. but I feel like you’re just bored and trying to stir the pot! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Where did he say we should dump McDermott? Read above. Dumping Mcd for someone who has “been there” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: You are talking about dumping mcdermott who has made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years, and hasn’t even played the game yet this year. Everyone who has “been there” at one time had not. The more Allen grows the better everyone looks. I just can’t fathom at this point even thinking about needing a coaching change. By your logic Kansas City should fire Andy Reid cause he can’t get his teams over the hump Beane and McDermott have done a great job in the last 3 years. Two playoffs appearances and having solid core to build around going forward. I don't know what their contract status is but I would expect the Pegula's to resign both to new deals when the time comes. Edited January 2, 2020 by Greg S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Rc2catch said: Read above. Dumping Mcd for someone who has “been there” Wowwwwww I didn't catch that. What a preposterous statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Just now, Greg S said: Beane and McDermott have done a great job in the last 3 years. Two playoffs appearances and having solid core to build around going forward. I don't know what their contract status is but I would expect the Pegula's to resign both to new deals when the times comes. That’s what I don’t get. It’s not pretty always but what they have done in 3 years IS WORKING. Why change what is successful? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSol Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: how so? have you been around to watch a franchise go from nothing to Champions a few times? Please list them so you have some base as a fan for watching this great process..... if none, then stay quiet in your little corner... takes various steps to get there, and then to get to the top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: That’s what I don’t get. It’s not pretty always but what they have done in 3 years IS WORKING. Why change what is successful? It's not always pretty because the Bills aren't a finished product yet. Whatever happens in these playoffs doesn't change the fact that Beane needs to have another strong offseason focusing on the offense. I would like to see the OL getter better and more in line with what SF and BAL do. Tough physical lines that can dominate the LOS. Also we need another playmaker at WR or TE to go with what we have. If Beane can improve the offense and keep the defense at an elite level than 2020 could be a special year. Hoping they can go on a run this year and I think they can/will get by Houston but winning at KC/BAL will be really tough with our current offense 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, mattrock123 said: Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/ I just don't get it. Haven't you been listening? What we saw in the regular season never was the objective. It's only a step in the process. McBeane are slowly and steadily building this team. They never intended that the team would peak in 2019, and it hasn't. There's more to come. What's coming? A new OLB, one or two offensive linemen, one or two receivers, a running back, more DBs. Give it time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I am not sure if the OP was being a troll, but on a serious note, I tend to agree with the notion that the team will have to play at a different level in the playoffs if they expect to truly be "Championship Caliber". This means employing an aggressive defense like we saw against the Cowboys and Steelers -- and NOT the laid back one we saw against the Pats two weeks ago. Offensively, it is also time to let Josh Allen wear big boy pants, rather than play overly conservative -- as has been the case since the win over Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Nothing that Beane has done so far has led me to believe that they WON’T do everything in their power to get us to a championship-caliber status. I don’t think we are quite “championship-caliber” this season, but hey... anything can happen in the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: I am not sure if the OP was being a troll, but on a serious note, I tend to agree with the notion that the team will have to play at a different level in the playoffs if they expect to truly be "Championship Caliber". This means employing an aggressive defense like we saw against the Cowboys and Steelers -- and NOT the laid back one we saw against the Pats two weeks ago. Offensively, it is also time to let Josh Allen wear big boy pants, rather than play overly conservative -- as has been the case since the win over Dallas. I have to have some belief they slow played things a little since Dallas. We ran a completely different style offense in the preseason and even to start the firstJets game. That’s still in there somewhere they didn’t just eliminate it from the playbook. I expect (and that’s just my opinion) that daboll has some variations of this stuff he’s been doing saved just for these playoffs. Why waste them and put them on film? We can argue if they went all out and got the 2 seed or were content holding the 5 spot but only they’ll ever know. I expect this team to pull out any and everything in the arsenal for the playoffs. I expect the defense to blitz in key situations and basically just play contain on Watson most of the time similar to how they played Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrock123 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I just don't get it. Haven't you been listening? What we saw in the regular season never was the objective. It's only a step in the process. McBeane are slowly and steadily building this team. They never intended that the team would peak in 2019, and it hasn't. There's more to come. What's coming? A new OLB, one or two offensive linemen, one or two receivers, a running back, more DBs. Give it time. I hope you're right, but I don't think things are that linear. Although making upgrades will help, I still think we need that killer instinct from the likes of McDermott & co. moving forward. Time to take the training wheels off and be more aggressive (without being reckless). I also hate the idea of relying on attrition from other contenders in the coming years (which someone else posted). That's such a passive attitude that will likely blow up in their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 45 minutes ago, row_33 said: when Brady retires the Pats will crater, the Jets and Fish stink so 7 wins would be enough to win the division and you can load manage an 11 win team down to 7 wins under that structure You do know BB had an 11 win season with Matt Cassell as his starting Qb right? 7 wins will not win the division with BB as HC of the Pats maybe 9 more likely 10 or 11 wins.. look what he has drafted recently in the first round OT, RB, and WR.. BB preparing for Brady be gone and will rebuild till he gets his QB replace Brady. I WISH they would suck say next year and get Lawrence from Clemson in the draft but I doubt they will.. as to if the Bills are championship caliber.. they are in the race and have as good of a chance win it all as anyone.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: You do know BB had an 11 win season with Matt Cassell as his starting Qb right? 7 wins will not win the division with BB as HC of the Pats maybe 9 more likely 10 or 11 wins.. look what he has drafted recently in the first round OT, RB, and WR.. BB preparing for Brady be gone and will rebuild till he gets his QB replace Brady. I WISH they would suck say next year and get Lawrence from Clemson in the draft but I doubt they will.. as to if the Bills are championship caliber.. they are in the race and have as good of a chance win it all as anyone.. It's so cute how you say, "till he gets his QB to replace Brady." It's really not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Metaphorically, I never “aim to shoot the dog”. ( my old manager used to use that West Virginian phrase). You always aim high as an athlete. With a humiliating loss to the Titans Saturday, let’s hope B & B retire, and then we own the AFCE with more talent in free agency and the draft. Nothing less than 10 wins every year. We get our next Tomlin meaning a winning coach and Mgmt for over a decade, and bring pride back to this great city. We want teams afraid to play Buffalo in New Era field and the next stadium as that is coming in there to four years. I certainly hope we repeat Seattle’s architecture so wind is cut down, the noise level is deafening, and the partial roof cuts down on the snow and rain for fans. The one team (and I have been on record saying this) that can go in and beat the Pats is the Titans. I would love to see Henry cram it down their throats and control the clock. You truly believe a new stadium is coming? As much as I love going to New Era a new stadium is needed. I think something like Lucas Oil Field would be perfect here. The price tag for that build was around 730 mil which is 880 mil in todays inflated market. Building that in NY with higher costs would put it at a billion imo. Can this town afford that? The Pegulas would have to pay a portion as Indy ownership paid 100 mil towards Lucas. Edited January 2, 2020 by billsfan_34 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 crazy towns in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PatsFanNH Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's so cute how you say, "till he gets his QB to replace Brady." It's really not that simple. Didn’t mean make it sound simple, he will have a game manager in there whose job is to not mess up and let the D win games. Circa 2001.. they will be run heavy with short safe passes thrown in. I don’t think I’m wrong that with BB as HC the Pats aren’t going to crumble to dust as the OP thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I agree we arent a consistent "contender" yet. But its the right mentality to have even if we arent there. Luckily being in the playoffs makes you a contender by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Didn’t mean make it sound simple, he will have a game manager in there whose job is to not mess up and let the D win games. Circa 2001.. they will be run heavy with short safe passes thrown in. I don’t think I’m wrong that with BB as HC the Pats aren’t going to crumble to dust as the OP thinks. I don't think the OP is the only one who thinks that. I think everyone except Pats* fans believes it. And when it happens, 1/2 of those "rabid" Pats* fans will forget there's a football team in Foxborough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Didn’t mean make it sound simple, he will have a game manager in there whose job is to not mess up and let the D win games. Circa 2001.. they will be run heavy with short safe passes thrown in. I don’t think I’m wrong that with BB as HC the Pats aren’t going to crumble to dust as the OP thinks. I don’t think the Pats will completely fall apart but I do believe they will not own the division year in and year out like they have. With the right management and vision todays NFL affords the opportunity to re-tool rather quickly. It will be interesting to see if the Dolphins have it in them. They certainly have the stock to do so. Cleveland is an example of re-tooling without the correct vision and culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Didn’t mean make it sound simple, he will have a game manager in there whose job is to not mess up and let the D win games. Circa 2001.. they will be run heavy with short safe passes thrown in. I don’t think I’m wrong that with BB as HC the Pats aren’t going to crumble to dust as the OP thinks. They can absolutely compete with a Marcus Mariota kinda guy and draft/develop someone else. If Brady did retire I could see them targeting cam newton and trying to mimic the success of Baltimore in their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: I don't think the OP is the only one who thinks that. I think everyone except Pats* fans believes it. And when it happens, 1/2 of those "rabid" Pats* fans will forget there's a football team in Foxborough. I agree probably like 2/3 actually. We have some die hard fans but hard tell how many new ones are real right now. I believe the fall will happen when BB leaves... that’s the year the wheels fall off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 No more or less than “ Playoff Caliber” it is s motivational tool, as well as a marketing tool. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, mattrock123 said: Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward? Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/ Have you not been paying attention to what McDermott and Beane have been doing lately? The new personnel that they have been bringing in to make the Bills a better and more competitive team? Do you suddenly think that when the off season begins, that with nearly 90 million in salary cap space and 9 draft picks, the people in the front office are just going to sit back and keep things as is and not attempt to make more improvements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Let's rip everything down and rebuild, every 3 years, for the next 20 years! Fire every one! Bring in a new GM, make the switch to a 3-4. Let's have a QB controversy, maybe Jason Garrett's available? He has playoff experience. Maybe Tony Romo will come out of retirement and bring the band back together? The Bills ARE going move to Toronto............... So tired of amateur Steven A. Smith / Max Kellermen hot takes. The real ones are bad enough. Edited January 2, 2020 by Motorin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, mattrock123 said: Do you guys feel coaches and management will make the necessary adjustments to truly make this team 'Championship Caliber' moving forward? Personally, I don't think what we saw in the regular season will cut it. https://buffalowdown.com/2020/01/02/bills-brass-must-continue-to-practice-what-they-preach/ Stop, just stop. You obviously have zero clue on building a team of any type. Go back to your parents basement and have Chinese food while whacking to the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 They said "Playoff Caliber" before they made the playoffs ... and then they made the playoffs. I've got no problem with them saying "Championship Caliber" at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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