Josh Allen Stat ... wow

[Rigotz]

Since the Bills Week 6 Bye:

21 Touchdowns, 2 Interceptions (and 2 lost fumbles).

 

During that span here are some of the defenses he has played against:

The #1 defense

The #4 defense

The #5 defense

The #9 defense

The #10 defense

The #11 defense

(stats as of week 16)

 

That's pretty incredible ball security for an "inaccurate" guy.

Edited December 24, 2019 by Rigotz
idiot-proofing

[Boatdrinks]

Definitely a big improvement over his first 5 games this season. Encouraging for sure. 

[DJB]

Nah he sucks. Cant make the "easy throws"

 

I learned that on TBD

Edited December 24, 2019 by DJB

[BfloBillsFan]

I’ve liked his progress this season.  Hope he takes more steps and can become a top 10-12 QB

[Tesla03]

he has really improved his gunslinging interceptions and that's a big credit to him 

 

I watched a lot of the games again and so many times Allen was driving down the field he would get let down by a drop on 3rd down or a holding pen that killed the drive. not to mention Daboll has put him in so many poor situations this season in terms of playcalling. I can't remember how many times we have failed to gain first downs on 3rd and short or even 2nd and short. 

 

get the kid some proper NFL quality WR's and talent around him, a better OC and then we can officially start judging him as franchise QB material. 

[Teddy KGB]

BuT He’S MaKiNg ALl ThE SaMe MiStAkEs !!! 

[BillsfaninSB]

No one from Wyoming could ever make it in the NFL.  Terrible competition.  This can’t be right. 

[Mango]

The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. 
 

He didn’t. 

[BillsfaninSB]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. 
 

He didn’t. 

I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and  that more than half the opponents had very good defense. 

[wagon127]

Bring me the Houston Texans in Wildcard week. People will finally believe he belongs in the NFL when he lights it up there.

Edited December 24, 2019 by wagon127

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, DJB said:

Nah he sucks. Cant make the "easy throws"

 

I learned that on TBD

Allen's done some great things and is really exciting to watch.

 

There are times when the easy throws are harder for him.  It's when he is 'jittery' as he mentioned in his presser. Where are the objective posters (critizing me for example, which is fine) but then not mentioning that he has said he is nervous in pressers. 

 

Sure he's human and I like the guy but that is a concern! 

 

Someone else summed it up well when they said that, at times, Allen has a tendency to make the easy throws look difficult and the difficult throws look easy. 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and  that more than half the opponents had very good defense. 

 

And the other point he was making was that Allen did it against some pretty good defenses.

 

This is a very encouraging stat.  

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and  that more than half the opponents had very good defense. 

 

Probably worth clearly pointing out that and if calling it about accuracy to only include passing tds. That he has rushed for a bunch of touchdowns doesn’t speak to accuracy. 
 

it’s a fair topic but the OP stacked the deck a little 

[Special K]

18 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

BuT He’S MaKiNg ALl ThE SaMe MiStAkEs !!! 

 

Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this?

 

Just curious.

[NoSaint]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

And the other point he was making was that Allen did it against some pretty good defenses.

 

This is a very encouraging stat.  

it can be. Without context it can cut both ways. 

 

low accuracy percentage and low turnovers probably speaks a bit to him not really putting it into windows that he might need to down the line for instance.
 

There are probably a few of those games I’d be fine with the right turnover if it corresponds to 3 more big chunk plays too. 

 

Plenty of them staying safe was fine but as we get into the playoffs and games speed up, windows get smaller etc... it’ll be interesting to see if he can make the big plays more consistently

[Rigotz]

17 minutes ago, Mango said:

The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. 
 

He didn’t. 

I thought it was obvious in my post that I was referring to SOME OF THE TOP DEFENSES they played.

 

I will edit my post to make it idiot-proof.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Probably worth clearly pointing out that and if calling it about accuracy to only include passing tds. That he has rushed for a bunch of touchdowns doesn’t speak to accuracy. 
 

it’s a fair topic but the OP stacked the deck a little 

 

Either Jackson is a difference maker in what defines QB production or he isn't.  A QB's rushing output - yards/TD's/1st downs - must be added to the passing stats when measuring overall production.  At the same time lost fumbles should be included with INT's.

 

By this measure Allen is a top 10 QB with 29 total TD's and only 13 total TO's.  IMO this IS the key QB metric.  Oh and Allen's 29 TD's puts him at 2nd place in Bills history for total TD's in a season - behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's in 1991.

 

 

[london_bills]

4 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this?

 

Just curious.

Lol

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

it can be. Without context it can cut both ways. 

 

low accuracy percentage and low turnovers probably speaks a bit to him not really putting it into windows that he might need to down the line for instance.
 

There are probably a few of those games I’d be fine with the right turnover if it corresponds to 3 more big chunk plays too. 

 

Plenty of them staying safe was fine but as we get into the playoffs and games speed up, windows get smaller etc... it’ll be interesting to see if he can make the big plays more consistently

 

Seems like you're describing Tyrod here. 

 

I don't know what games you've been watching but several times per game I usually lose my breath at some of the throws Allen makes when he fits the ball between 3 defenders for a completion.  I don't see him shying away from throwing into very tight windows.  he just happens to get them there most of the time.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Waits for the 300 yards/game guy to post  ?

Edited December 24, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Seems like you're describing Tyrod here. 

 

I don't know what games you've been watching but several times per game I usually lose my breath at some of the throws Allen makes when he fits the ball between 3 defenders for a completion.  I don't see him shying away from throwing into very tight windows.  he just happens to get them there most of the time.

 

 

I think he's shying a way a bit more than he was, he's a bit more cautious. Hence the lower picks. 

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this?

 

Just curious.

 

Its used to mock things 

 

 

[london_bills]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Its used to mock things 

 

 

Our DefeNCe PLA yed WeLl againSt THe PATS. 

 

THAT KIND OF THING 

[WhoTom]

35 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

No one from Wyoming could ever make it in the NFL.  Terrible competition.  This can’t be right. 

 

Good thing he's from California. ?

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, london_bills said:

I think he's shying a way a bit more than he was, he's a bit more cautious. Hence the lower picks. 

 

Which is a good thing no?

 

But I disagree with your take here.  I see him throwing into tight windows a lot.  In fact what I see is that Allen hasn't made fewer of these throws as the season progressed.

 

Let's look at Allen's INT's:

 

*  3 of them came on deep throws against NE.  He corrected this by making sure he overthrew almost every deep throw after that.

 

*  1 of the INT's was a classic Allen hero ball throw against Cincinnati.  He stopped playing hero ball which has cut his INT's down.

 

*  1 of his INT's was off a tipped pass against the Jets.  Bad luck.

 

*  2 of his INT's were off tipped balls.  One off the hands and the other off the knees of Beasley. 

 

*  1 of his INT's was a bad read and or the ball got away from him against Denver.

 

*  The only INT that came off Allen trying to fit the ball into a tight window was against TN.  And IMO that INT was on the receivers running sloppy routes.

 

Allen has cut down his INT's because he committed to overthrowing his receivers on deep balls and he stopped playing hero ball. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Our DefeNCe PLA yed WeLl againSt THe PATS. 

 

THAT KIND OF THING 

 

LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj 

 

TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb 

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj 

 

TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb 

CoDY fOrd 

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

11 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Its used to mock things 

 

 

like a visual sarcasm detector?

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Which is a good thing no?

 

But I disagree with your take here.  I see him throwing into tight windows a lot.  In fact what I see is that Allen hasn't made fewer of these throws as the season progressed.

 

Let's look at Allen's INT's:

 

*  3 of them came on deep throws against NE.  He corrected this by making sure he overthrew almost every deep throw after that.

 

*  1 of the INT's was a classic Allen hero ball throw against Cincinnati.  He stopped playing hero ball which has cut his INT's down.

 

*  1 of his INT's was off a tipped pass against the Jets.  Bad luck.

 

*  2 of his INT's were off tipped balls.  One off the hands and the other off the knees of Beasley. 

 

*  1 of his INT's was a bad read and or the ball got away from him against Denver.

 

*  The only INT that came off Allen trying to fit the ball into a tight window was against TN.  And IMO that INT was on the receivers running sloppy routes.

 

Allen has cut down his INT's because he committed to overthrowing his receivers on deep balls and he stopped playing hero ball. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes a good thing. Fair enough! 

 

Only thing I will say is I don't think he's always consciously tried to overthrow receivers. I do think that can play in yeah but sometimes I think it's a combination of his arm strength and adrenaline at seeing an open receiver making him overthrow. He's a compelling player as he's an emotional person playing a position where being unemotional can arguably help you more. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

21 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Waits for the 300 yards/game guy to post  ?

I guess you're the guy?

[John from Riverside]

49 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said:

I’ve liked his progress this season.  Hope he takes more steps and can become a top 10-12 QB

def doable.....

 

People forget just how raw he was coming out and want top 5 QB in his second year.  It really is just not realistic.  Those same people were either not around/conviently forget the many days AFTER Jim Kelly

[london_bills]

10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj 

 

TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb 

Tyrod was ok. 

[Special K]

19 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Its used to mock things 

 

 

It'S nOt AnnoYinG aT  AlL!!

 

Am I doing it right??

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Special K said:

It'S nOt AnnoYinG aT  AlL!!

 

Am I doing it right??

Haha takes ages to write like that on my phone as it corrects it

[Dr.Sack]

The only stat I care about 10-5 as the starting QB. Also it is worth noting Allen has the lowest completion percentage among starting QBs this season. Is this a concern? Sure. Is this the reason we have lost 5 games? No. Is Allen accurate on long passes? He’s improved over the course of the year. IF Allen continues improving his touch and long ball accuracy I have no doubt his underneath throws will become easier as defenses will have to account for his long ball. Think no more cover 0 all out blitzes. 

[LSHMEAB]

19 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yes a good thing. Fair enough! 

 

Only thing I will say is I don't think he's always consciously tried to overthrow receivers. I do think that can play in yeah but sometimes I think it's a combination of his arm strength and adrenaline at seeing an open receiver making him overthrow. He's a compelling player as he's an emotional person playing a position where being unemotional can arguably help you more. 

Agreed. The fact that he mentions "jitters" further solidifies my opinion that a great deal of the accuracy issues are psychological. He's a really bright guy, and it appears as though he's "thinking" instead of "playing" when he's off.

 

If he's going to take that next step, he needs to CONSISTENTLY play and not think. We saw it for a three game stretch so it's attainable. We'll see what happens. If he can't shake it, he could very well stall in his progression or only slightly improve.

 

Didn't like Daboll or his track record coming in and I like him even less now that we've seen both poor play calls AND scolding a QB for a mistake when he's at his best NOT thinking about mistakes. He knew it was a poor throw/decision. What's the point of berating him for it? Absolutely the WRONG approach when it comes to Allen.

 

All that said, he's gotta figure this out somehow. In all likelihood, there isn't gonna be a third coordinator in McDermott's fourth year, so they need to co-exist. 

 

I remember earlier in the season he was doing some kind of hand gesture that had nothing to do with signaling a play call, celebration, etc. It was like a wave type of movement that seemed to be a relaxation "exercise." Not sure why it stopped, but my hope is that with experience, he'll realize that mistakes are going to happen. Shorten that memory and let the chips fall where they may on any given pass. 

[Dr.Sack]

If Allen completes more than 60% of his passes in a playoff game I’d be impressed. So far the one constant in our losses outside of the Pittsburgh game is when Allen’s completion % is sub 60% we lose. He’s 1-5 on the year his lone victory being over a Duck led anemic Pittsburgh offense.  

[Mango]

13 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

I thought it was obvious in my post that I was referring to SOME OF THE TOP DEFENSES they played.

 

I will edit my post to make it idiot-proof.

 

Cool thanks.

 

Listen man, I get it Josh is getting there. But the point was valid, you presented a bunch of incomplete information, and reached to conclusions that the data didn't really show or imply. Which was fine, because there was some value in the discussion overall about his improvement. Just thought I would point it out up front. Then you called me an idiot...

 

Allen against defenses ranked in the top half (16) for yards per game has a total stat line of 106/201 12 TD/ 7 Turn Overs . 1231 passing yards. 

 

Over 7 games that averages out to about 52% completion percentage. 176 Passing Yards per game. 1.7: 1 TD/TO ratio. (There are about 20 QB's in the NFL with a better TD Pass to Interception Ratio)

 

Averaging to the decimal over 7 games against top 16 defenses Josh has a Passer Rating of 69.94. NE currently leads the league in opponent Passer Rating of 59.8. Next is Baltimore at 79.8

 

Against the top 16 defenses ranked by yards per game, Josh Allen performed:

 

Better than the defensive average against

NE- 59.8- Josh 102.7

DEN- 89.1- Josh 92.9

DAL- 93.8 Josh- 120.7 

 

Worse than the defensive average against: 

NE- 59.8 Josh- 46.4

BAL- 79.8- Josh- 62.6

PHI- 92.1- Josh- 81.6

PIT- 81.2- Josh- 65.2

 

The Dallas and NE pt 2 game are actually really good talking points. We should actually use them as markers for Josh as measures of improvement. Allen showed he could play at a top level when it came to ball placement against Dallas. NE gave him fits, and even though he left plays on the field, he did a good job of learning from week 4 and didn't give BB and TB an extra opps from turn overs.

 

But don't call people names and lump a bunch of other trash into that just to make you feel like your point is stronger, because it doesn't. Josh has actually played pretty bad by the numbers against top half defenses. 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

The only stat I care about 10-5 as the starting QB. Also it is worth noting Allen has the lowest completion percentage among starting QBs this season. Is this a concern? Sure. Is this the reason we have lost 5 games? No. Is Allen accurate on long passes? He’s improved over the course of the year. IF Allen continues improving his touch and long ball accuracy I have no doubt his underneath throws will become easier as defenses will have to account for his long ball. Think no more cover 0 all out blitzes. 

 

 

He doesn't check down to RBs......ever.  If he did (I'm of the belief he's being coached not to and it's not part of the version of air raid we run anyway---which is a mistake btw) his completion % would be 65%.  

 

He's on par with most QBs in the league.  Accuracy is not an issue.  It's just not.  He misses throws that all QBs miss.  Watch more games.  

Edited December 24, 2019 by Big Blitz

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. 
 

He didn’t. 

 

He distinctly said "some of the defenses we played".  I think we're all able to interpret the word "some" and count to 10