Popular Post Rigotz Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) Since the Bills Week 6 Bye: 21 Touchdowns, 2 Interceptions (and 2 lost fumbles). During that span here are some of the defenses he has played against: The #1 defense The #4 defense The #5 defense The #9 defense The #10 defense The #11 defense (stats as of week 16) That's pretty incredible ball security for an "inaccurate" guy. Edited December 24, 2019 by Rigotz idiot-proofing 35 22 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Definitely a big improvement over his first 5 games this season. Encouraging for sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) Nah he sucks. Cant make the "easy throws" I learned that on TBD Edited December 24, 2019 by DJB 3 29 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I’ve liked his progress this season. Hope he takes more steps and can become a top 10-12 QB 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 he has really improved his gunslinging interceptions and that's a big credit to him I watched a lot of the games again and so many times Allen was driving down the field he would get let down by a drop on 3rd down or a holding pen that killed the drive. not to mention Daboll has put him in so many poor situations this season in terms of playcalling. I can't remember how many times we have failed to gain first downs on 3rd and short or even 2nd and short. get the kid some proper NFL quality WR's and talent around him, a better OC and then we can officially start judging him as franchise QB material. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 BuT He’S MaKiNg ALl ThE SaMe MiStAkEs !!! 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 No one from Wyoming could ever make it in the NFL. Terrible competition. This can’t be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. He didn’t. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mango said: The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. He didn’t. I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and that more than half the opponents had very good defense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) Bring me the Houston Texans in Wildcard week. People will finally believe he belongs in the NFL when he lights it up there. Edited December 24, 2019 by wagon127 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, DJB said: Nah he sucks. Cant make the "easy throws" I learned that on TBD Allen's done some great things and is really exciting to watch. There are times when the easy throws are harder for him. It's when he is 'jittery' as he mentioned in his presser. Where are the objective posters (critizing me for example, which is fine) but then not mentioning that he has said he is nervous in pressers. Sure he's human and I like the guy but that is a concern! Someone else summed it up well when they said that, at times, Allen has a tendency to make the easy throws look difficult and the difficult throws look easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and that more than half the opponents had very good defense. And the other point he was making was that Allen did it against some pretty good defenses. This is a very encouraging stat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I think his point is the TD to turnover ratio and that more than half the opponents had very good defense. Probably worth clearly pointing out that and if calling it about accuracy to only include passing tds. That he has rushed for a bunch of touchdowns doesn’t speak to accuracy. it’s a fair topic but the OP stacked the deck a little 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: BuT He’S MaKiNg ALl ThE SaMe MiStAkEs !!! Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this? Just curious. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: And the other point he was making was that Allen did it against some pretty good defenses. This is a very encouraging stat. it can be. Without context it can cut both ways. low accuracy percentage and low turnovers probably speaks a bit to him not really putting it into windows that he might need to down the line for instance. There are probably a few of those games I’d be fine with the right turnover if it corresponds to 3 more big chunk plays too. Plenty of them staying safe was fine but as we get into the playoffs and games speed up, windows get smaller etc... it’ll be interesting to see if he can make the big plays more consistently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mango said: The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. He didn’t. I thought it was obvious in my post that I was referring to SOME OF THE TOP DEFENSES they played. I will edit my post to make it idiot-proof. 1 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Probably worth clearly pointing out that and if calling it about accuracy to only include passing tds. That he has rushed for a bunch of touchdowns doesn’t speak to accuracy. it’s a fair topic but the OP stacked the deck a little Either Jackson is a difference maker in what defines QB production or he isn't. A QB's rushing output - yards/TD's/1st downs - must be added to the passing stats when measuring overall production. At the same time lost fumbles should be included with INT's. By this measure Allen is a top 10 QB with 29 total TD's and only 13 total TO's. IMO this IS the key QB metric. Oh and Allen's 29 TD's puts him at 2nd place in Bills history for total TD's in a season - behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's in 1991. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Special K said: Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this? Just curious. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: it can be. Without context it can cut both ways. low accuracy percentage and low turnovers probably speaks a bit to him not really putting it into windows that he might need to down the line for instance. There are probably a few of those games I’d be fine with the right turnover if it corresponds to 3 more big chunk plays too. Plenty of them staying safe was fine but as we get into the playoffs and games speed up, windows get smaller etc... it’ll be interesting to see if he can make the big plays more consistently Seems like you're describing Tyrod here. I don't know what games you've been watching but several times per game I usually lose my breath at some of the throws Allen makes when he fits the ball between 3 defenders for a completion. I don't see him shying away from throwing into very tight windows. he just happens to get them there most of the time. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) Waits for the 300 yards/game guy to post ? Edited December 24, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: Seems like you're describing Tyrod here. I don't know what games you've been watching but several times per game I usually lose my breath at some of the throws Allen makes when he fits the ball between 3 defenders for a completion. I don't see him shying away from throwing into very tight windows. he just happens to get them there most of the time. I think he's shying a way a bit more than he was, he's a bit more cautious. Hence the lower picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Special K said: Can someone explain why I’ve been seeing posts that mix capital and lowercase letters like this? Just curious. Its used to mock things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Its used to mock things Our DefeNCe PLA yed WeLl againSt THe PATS. THAT KIND OF THING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: No one from Wyoming could ever make it in the NFL. Terrible competition. This can’t be right. Good thing he's from California. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, london_bills said: I think he's shying a way a bit more than he was, he's a bit more cautious. Hence the lower picks. Which is a good thing no? But I disagree with your take here. I see him throwing into tight windows a lot. In fact what I see is that Allen hasn't made fewer of these throws as the season progressed. Let's look at Allen's INT's: * 3 of them came on deep throws against NE. He corrected this by making sure he overthrew almost every deep throw after that. * 1 of the INT's was a classic Allen hero ball throw against Cincinnati. He stopped playing hero ball which has cut his INT's down. * 1 of his INT's was off a tipped pass against the Jets. Bad luck. * 2 of his INT's were off tipped balls. One off the hands and the other off the knees of Beasley. * 1 of his INT's was a bad read and or the ball got away from him against Denver. * The only INT that came off Allen trying to fit the ball into a tight window was against TN. And IMO that INT was on the receivers running sloppy routes. Allen has cut down his INT's because he committed to overthrowing his receivers on deep balls and he stopped playing hero ball. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, london_bills said: Our DefeNCe PLA yed WeLl againSt THe PATS. THAT KIND OF THING LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb CoDY fOrd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Its used to mock things like a visual sarcasm detector? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Which is a good thing no? But I disagree with your take here. I see him throwing into tight windows a lot. In fact what I see is that Allen hasn't made fewer of these throws as the season progressed. Let's look at Allen's INT's: * 3 of them came on deep throws against NE. He corrected this by making sure he overthrew almost every deep throw after that. * 1 of the INT's was a classic Allen hero ball throw against Cincinnati. He stopped playing hero ball which has cut his INT's down. * 1 of his INT's was off a tipped pass against the Jets. Bad luck. * 2 of his INT's were off tipped balls. One off the hands and the other off the knees of Beasley. * 1 of his INT's was a bad read and or the ball got away from him against Denver. * The only INT that came off Allen trying to fit the ball into a tight window was against TN. And IMO that INT was on the receivers running sloppy routes. Allen has cut down his INT's because he committed to overthrowing his receivers on deep balls and he stopped playing hero ball. Yes a good thing. Fair enough! Only thing I will say is I don't think he's always consciously tried to overthrow receivers. I do think that can play in yeah but sometimes I think it's a combination of his arm strength and adrenaline at seeing an open receiver making him overthrow. He's a compelling player as he's an emotional person playing a position where being unemotional can arguably help you more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Waits for the 300 yards/game guy to post ? I guess you're the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said: I’ve liked his progress this season. Hope he takes more steps and can become a top 10-12 QB def doable..... People forget just how raw he was coming out and want top 5 QB in his second year. It really is just not realistic. Those same people were either not around/conviently forget the many days AFTER Jim Kelly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: LeBrOn Is BeTtEr ThAn Mj TyRoD TaYlOr WaS a GoOd Qb Tyrod was ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Its used to mock things It'S nOt AnnoYinG aT AlL!! Am I doing it right?? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Special K said: It'S nOt AnnoYinG aT AlL!! Am I doing it right?? Haha takes ages to write like that on my phone as it corrects it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 The only stat I care about 10-5 as the starting QB. Also it is worth noting Allen has the lowest completion percentage among starting QBs this season. Is this a concern? Sure. Is this the reason we have lost 5 games? No. Is Allen accurate on long passes? He’s improved over the course of the year. IF Allen continues improving his touch and long ball accuracy I have no doubt his underneath throws will become easier as defenses will have to account for his long ball. Think no more cover 0 all out blitzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, london_bills said: Yes a good thing. Fair enough! Only thing I will say is I don't think he's always consciously tried to overthrow receivers. I do think that can play in yeah but sometimes I think it's a combination of his arm strength and adrenaline at seeing an open receiver making him overthrow. He's a compelling player as he's an emotional person playing a position where being unemotional can arguably help you more. Agreed. The fact that he mentions "jitters" further solidifies my opinion that a great deal of the accuracy issues are psychological. He's a really bright guy, and it appears as though he's "thinking" instead of "playing" when he's off. If he's going to take that next step, he needs to CONSISTENTLY play and not think. We saw it for a three game stretch so it's attainable. We'll see what happens. If he can't shake it, he could very well stall in his progression or only slightly improve. Didn't like Daboll or his track record coming in and I like him even less now that we've seen both poor play calls AND scolding a QB for a mistake when he's at his best NOT thinking about mistakes. He knew it was a poor throw/decision. What's the point of berating him for it? Absolutely the WRONG approach when it comes to Allen. All that said, he's gotta figure this out somehow. In all likelihood, there isn't gonna be a third coordinator in McDermott's fourth year, so they need to co-exist. I remember earlier in the season he was doing some kind of hand gesture that had nothing to do with signaling a play call, celebration, etc. It was like a wave type of movement that seemed to be a relaxation "exercise." Not sure why it stopped, but my hope is that with experience, he'll realize that mistakes are going to happen. Shorten that memory and let the chips fall where they may on any given pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 If Allen completes more than 60% of his passes in a playoff game I’d be impressed. So far the one constant in our losses outside of the Pittsburgh game is when Allen’s completion % is sub 60% we lose. He’s 1-5 on the year his lone victory being over a Duck led anemic Pittsburgh offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I thought it was obvious in my post that I was referring to SOME OF THE TOP DEFENSES they played. I will edit my post to make it idiot-proof. Cool thanks. Listen man, I get it Josh is getting there. But the point was valid, you presented a bunch of incomplete information, and reached to conclusions that the data didn't really show or imply. Which was fine, because there was some value in the discussion overall about his improvement. Just thought I would point it out up front. Then you called me an idiot... Allen against defenses ranked in the top half (16) for yards per game has a total stat line of 106/201 12 TD/ 7 Turn Overs . 1231 passing yards. Over 7 games that averages out to about 52% completion percentage. 176 Passing Yards per game. 1.7: 1 TD/TO ratio. (There are about 20 QB's in the NFL with a better TD Pass to Interception Ratio) Averaging to the decimal over 7 games against top 16 defenses Josh has a Passer Rating of 69.94. NE currently leads the league in opponent Passer Rating of 59.8. Next is Baltimore at 79.8 Against the top 16 defenses ranked by yards per game, Josh Allen performed: Better than the defensive average against NE- 59.8- Josh 102.7 DEN- 89.1- Josh 92.9 DAL- 93.8 Josh- 120.7 Worse than the defensive average against: NE- 59.8 Josh- 46.4 BAL- 79.8- Josh- 62.6 PHI- 92.1- Josh- 81.6 PIT- 81.2- Josh- 65.2 The Dallas and NE pt 2 game are actually really good talking points. We should actually use them as markers for Josh as measures of improvement. Allen showed he could play at a top level when it came to ball placement against Dallas. NE gave him fits, and even though he left plays on the field, he did a good job of learning from week 4 and didn't give BB and TB an extra opps from turn overs. But don't call people names and lump a bunch of other trash into that just to make you feel like your point is stronger, because it doesn't. Josh has actually played pretty bad by the numbers against top half defenses. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: The only stat I care about 10-5 as the starting QB. Also it is worth noting Allen has the lowest completion percentage among starting QBs this season. Is this a concern? Sure. Is this the reason we have lost 5 games? No. Is Allen accurate on long passes? He’s improved over the course of the year. IF Allen continues improving his touch and long ball accuracy I have no doubt his underneath throws will become easier as defenses will have to account for his long ball. Think no more cover 0 all out blitzes. He doesn't check down to RBs......ever. If he did (I'm of the belief he's being coached not to and it's not part of the version of air raid we run anyway---which is a mistake btw) his completion % would be 65%. He's on par with most QBs in the league. Accuracy is not an issue. It's just not. He misses throws that all QBs miss. Watch more games. Edited December 24, 2019 by Big Blitz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Mango said: The Bills have played 10 games since their bye, not 6. You left 4 out. Makes it read like Allen put up 21 TD’s in 6 weeks. He didn’t. He distinctly said "some of the defenses we played". I think we're all able to interpret the word "some" and count to 10 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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