Bengals accuse Pats employee of videotaping their play calls

[Richard Noggin]

4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

This is America dude, citizens here barely take part in democracy by voting, and you think they will get off their combined azsez and protest how football is run? Not in your lifetime, not ever, hate to say it but Americans are far to lazy to even give it a passing thought, it would take a minor effort and a tiny bit of sacrifice, and that ain’t gonna happen, you must be stoned...

 

Americans, especially young Americans, don't participate in our democratic processes, but they sure do like their consumer processes...

[ClemsonBills]

I think a couple of things are in play here in regards to the result. The Bengals definitely made a copy, and I wouldn't be shocked if they released it if they were unhappy with the punishment.

[Don Otreply]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Americans, especially young Americans, don't participate in our democratic processes, but they sure do like their consumer processes...

Sad yet true, voting is hard, adulting is just to difficult, let’s go to the mall...

[MAJBobby]

10 hours ago, stevewin said:

I.e., sweep it under the rug as fast as possible

Goodell in full “Protect the Shield” Mode 

[Blank Stare]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They forced them to give up a 1st round pick for spygate.  They took a 1st and a 4th away from them for Deflategate along with suspending Brady four games.  Plus, fined them a lot of dough in both instances.  That's pretty severe punishment.  There has to be credible evidence for them to throw the book at them (no matter how much we hate them) but I don't think the NFL will sweep it under the rug.

I guess we’ll see. You bring up good points, and I don’t disagree that on paper it seems like those picks and punishment are severe. To most teams it would be catastrophic. But with the Cheats, it’s usually 30-32 in each round. Yes, still a pick, but contrary to popular belief, Belichick is not a great drafter. Belichick is better on the pro-personnel evaluations in my opinion. That’s where he nabs guys like Welker, Van Noy, Amendola, and on and on. Unspectacular players that come alive under his tutelage. Plus, if they really are cheating and pushing the envelope as much as alleged, that minimizes the impact of any forfeited draft picks or other personnel mistakes.  

[ThurmasThoman]

1 hour ago, Aireskoi said:

 

Im fine with this, tbh.

It's not cheating.

[BuffaloSol]

20 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

Im fine with this, tbh.

It's not cheating.

Wrong, It's 100% cheating. I'm not sure if you were joking?

 

[Say When...]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

Im fine with this, tbh.

It's not cheating.

 

May be a gray area for cheating but poor-sportsmanship?  what about the ethical side of the game, why stoop to the 'dirty tactics'?

[BuffaloSol]

2 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

May be a gray area for cheating but poor-sportsmanship?  what about the ethical side of the game, why stoop to the 'dirty tactics'?

How is stealing playbook information and game notes not cheating though?

[Keukasmallies]

On 12/9/2019 at 3:33 PM, leonbus23 said:

True. I guess people expect ethics to play a role in the decision making of cutthroat competitive athletic businesses and its people.

 

Are youse implying that Robert Kraft, the Pat's paragon of virtue, is anything  less that scrupulously ethical?  A pox on your house, sir!

[wppete]

The Bengals have to stand up to NE and the NFL and release this tape!!!

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:

Wrong, It's 100% cheating. I'm not sure if you were joking?

 

 

Wasn't Tre White collecting the Ravens garbage and reading it Sunday?

Just now, wppete said:

The Bengals have to stand up to NE and the NFL and release this tape!!!

 

They don't have it.  NFL does.

 

[BuffaloSol]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wasn't Tre White collecting the Ravens garbage and reading it Sunday?

 

They don't have it.  NFL does.

 

Really WEO? Tre White joking about picking up ravens trash is the same as going into players rooms after they leave and paying cleaning ladies to collect stuff in rooms?

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wasn't Tre White collecting the Ravens garbage and reading it Sunday?

 

They don't have it.  NFL does.

 

Also Bengals have original NFL has copy.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:

How is stealing playbook information and game notes not cheating though?

Players left that stuff behind in the trash after they vacated the hotel room, that is on the players

[Say When...]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:

How is stealing playbook information and game notes not cheating though?

 

i guess i'm reacting to the garbage as being a "public domain" in my gray area statement.

 

still it's unethical and sports in general aren't inherently 'cutthroat' it's the teams that make it such, sportsmanship, ethics, honor and integrity still exist; just because one teams decides to cross isn't an admission of that's how the game should be played going forward.

 

what if all 32 teams did everything the Pats do and have done and to the degree they have gone?  we'd have sports anarchy on a national scale and the true game would get lost in the sludge and slime...  and that's an example we want to teach our kids?

[BuffaloSol]

5 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Players left that stuff behind in the trash after they vacated the hotel room, that is on the players

The players accidentally leaving something behind or throwing something in the trash makes it there fault? Sounds like victim blaming "it was the wives fault she stayed with her abusive husband!"

 

When a team goes out of there way to get information that they should not be privy to, and is clearly against the rules, it is cheating, they didn't just stumble upon it.

 

Seriously??? People think purposely trying to get the other other teams playbook every game, then using that to your advantage is not cheating?

[BuffaloBob]

21 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Players left that stuff behind in the trash after they vacated the hotel room, that is on the players

Problem is, once you start paying people to collect this sort of thing, you also encourage them to go beyond simply collecting the trash.  

[row_33]

more likely the Bengals employees left the tapes in the back seat of their car and forgot to lock the door

 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said:

Wrong, It's 100% cheating. I'm not sure if you were joking?

 

Shredders aren't that expensive

[ToGoGo]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:

The players accidentally leaving something behind or throwing something in the trash makes it there fault? Sounds like victim blaming "it was the wives fault she stayed with her abusive husband!"

 

When a team goes out of there way to get information that they should not be privy to, and is clearly against the rules, it is cheating, they didn't just stumble upon it.

 

Seriously??? People think purposely trying to get the other other teams playbook every game, then using that to your advantage is not cheating?

 

It's very dirty. Very ugly. Despicable organization. Like rats.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloSol said:

The players accidentally leaving something behind or throwing something in the trash makes it there fault? Sounds like victim blaming "it was the wives fault she stayed with her abusive husband!"

 

When a team goes out of there way to get information that they should not be privy to, and is clearly against the rules, it is cheating, they didn't just stumble upon it.

 

Seriously??? People think purposely trying to get the other other teams playbook every game, then using that to your advantage is not cheating?

They are paid professionals, not innocent housewives. They get paid enough to be expected to know better.

 

I hate the Patricheats as much if not more than anyone on this board, but this is not sneaking into a press box and videotaping the opponent's sideline or messing with the stadium's radio system to put the visiting team at a disadvantage.

[Mr. K]

Nobody  brought the camera, turned it on, or pressed record and knew what they were doing. There is a first time for everything even the pats.*

 

?

 

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

They are paid professionals, not innocent housewives. They get paid enough to be expected to know better.

 

I hate the Patricheats as much if not more than anyone on this board, but this is not sneaking into a press box and videotaping the opponent's sideline or messing with the stadium's radio system to put the visiting team at a disadvantage.

I agree. And i , for one,  never understood the no video rule anyway. I get it is "cheating " and needs to be punished, but if you do something on a sideline and I can pick it up by studying video, i don't think that is cheating, I think its being smart. That also means you can video my team..smarter guys win..I am fine with that.

 

Now, that does not include bugging locker rooms, have radios go out, deflating balls etc..that is flat out cheating that i would punish severely.

 

BTW, i never understood why stealing signals in baseball was verboten either..

[ToGoGo]

3 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

They are paid professionals, not innocent housewives. They get paid enough to be expected to know better.

 

I hate the Patricheats as much if not more than anyone on this board, but this is not sneaking into a press box and videotaping the opponent's sideline or messing with the stadium's radio system to put the visiting team at a disadvantage.

 

Consider this before dismissing:

 

Are any other teams around the league known for doing this type of thing or going to these lengths?

 

What does it say about the organization that they are given the OK to go through the dirty laundry and garbage (!) in order to look for scraps?

 

What kind of reputation do they have around the league for these types of actions? Think of the paranoia you need to have in order to NOT have something stolen from you. Take shredders with you on the road?! Why are Bills fans defending these people?

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg coming to light. Ever been to a spy store? Do people really believe this ends here? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Aireskoi said:

 

 

I've heard that many times.  

 

Never leave a play book in an unattended room either

[MILFHUNTER#518]

3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Consider this before dismissing:

 

Are any other teams around the league known for doing this type of thing or going to these lengths?

 

What does it say about the organization that they are given the OK to go through the dirty laundry and garbage (!) in order to look for scraps?

 

What kind of reputation do they have around the league for these types of actions? Think of the paranoia you need to have in order to NOT have something stolen from you. Take shredders with you on the road?! Why are Bills fans defending these people?

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg coming to light. Ever been to a spy store? Do people really believe this ends here? 

Not defending, just saying that this doesn't rise to the level of bugging the opponent's locker room.

[ToGoGo]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Not defending, just saying that this doesn't rise to the level of bugging the opponent's locker room.

 

The point is where it fits into the greater scheme of things. Nothing is off limits to these people. Nothing is beneath them.

 

Every possible shady advantage they take. They're called "scumbags" where I'm from. And I keep waiting for more and more to come out. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said:

Wrong, It's 100% cheating. I'm not sure if you were joking?

 

It’s definitely not cheating, though sleazy it might be!

 

Pretty Fing stupid for the team leaving anything around. 
I haven’t left ONE piece of paper with my name & address in garbage, for at least a generation. And I have nada to do with Football.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said:

Really WEO? Tre White joking about picking up ravens trash is the same as going into players rooms after they leave and paying cleaning ladies to collect stuff in rooms?

Also Bengals have original NFL has copy.

 

 

Oh relax.  The point was that Tre didn't immediately hand it to the ref saying "I'm not supposed to see this, can you return it to the Ravens bench?".  He read it because he recognized what it was.

 

And is it even possible NFL teams have no mechanism to collect sensitive team strategy material on the road other than: 'make sure, after you have studied the printed gameplan for this game that you immediately deposit the playbook into you motel room garbage can!  Come on!

 

And the Browns gave the Bengals the original of the video?  I thought they gave it to the NFL.

[BuffaloRebound]

6 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The point is where it fits into the greater scheme of things. Nothing is off limits to these people. Nothing is beneath them.

 

Every possible shady advantage they take. They're called "scumbags" where I'm from. And I keep waiting for more and more to come out. 

 

How does anybody who’s older than 10 cheer for these a-holes?  

As much as I love the Bills, if they ran things the way these scumbags do I’d stop watching football.  

[ToGoGo]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

How does anybody who’s older than 10 cheer for these a-holes?  

As much as I love the Bills, if they ran things the way these scumbags do I’d stop watching football.  

 

Thank you. 

 

This just happens every time they're caught. First, there's ridicule on the accusers. Then people question the competitive advantage. And then people wonder what's so bad about it. It happened during every scandal. It's classic gaslighting. Like we're the crazy ones. And even worse, we're the dumb ones who should be smart and cheating like them!

 

Even if it all ends here and nothing more ever comes out, these are the people we're supposed to look back on and worship as the GOATs? 

Just checked. No mention of the Patriots anywhere near the front page of ESPN. The top Patriots thread on NFL Reddit is about Belichick commenting on social media. 

 

The clean up job has begun.

[BuffaloSol]

55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Oh relax.  The point was that Tre didn't immediately hand it to the ref saying "I'm not supposed to see this, can you return it to the Ravens bench?".  He read it because he recognized what it was.

 

And is it even possible NFL teams have no mechanism to collect sensitive team strategy material on the road other than: 'make sure, after you have studied the printed gameplan for this game that you immediately deposit the playbook into you motel room garbage can!  Come on!

 

And the Browns gave the Bengals the original of the video?  I thought they gave it to the NFL.

Accidents happen, and the tip of the iceberg, what we know is that they were paying cleaning ladies to go into rooms they didn't own or rent out to sort through trash or allow them to enter the rooms, probably illegally. The cleaning ladies don't have authority to allow random people into big chain hotel rooms for money under the table.

 

And I am pretty sure that the Bengals are the ones that took the tape.

[stevewin]

54 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Thank you. 

 

This just happens every time they're caught. First, there's ridicule on the accusers. Then people question the competitive advantage. And then people wonder what's so bad about it. It happened during every scandal. It's classic gaslighting. Like we're the crazy ones. And even worse, we're the dumb ones who should be smart and cheating like them!

 

Even if it all ends here and nothing more ever comes out, these are the people we're supposed to look back on and worship as the GOATs? 

Just checked. No mention of the Patriots anywhere near the front page of ESPN. The top Patriots thread on NFL Reddit is about Belichick commenting on social media. 

 

The clean up job has begun.

The GOAT thing drives me insane.  Sometimes I feel like I'm the only sane person in the world

[Rocbillsfan1]

The only goat of the last fifty years is Michael Jeffrey Jordan with an honorable mention to joe Montana and tiger woods. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

didn't see this:

 

 

[ThurmasThoman]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Thank you. 

 

This just happens every time they're caught. First, there's ridicule on the accusers. Then people question the competitive advantage. And then people wonder what's so bad about it. It happened during every scandal. It's classic gaslighting. Like we're the crazy ones. And even worse, we're the dumb ones who should be smart and cheating like them!

 

Even if it all ends here and nothing more ever comes out, these are the people we're supposed to look back on and worship as the GOATs? 

Just checked. No mention of the Patriots anywhere near the front page of ESPN. The top Patriots thread on NFL Reddit is about Belichick commenting on social media. 

 

The clean up job has begun.

 

No, to me its just not as cut and dry as video taping opponents when there are rules expressly forbidding it.

 

For instance, if you had friends over for poker, and your buddy drew up a chart with exactly what he was going to do on each combo of cards he was dealt, including how he was going to bluff/bet depending on the situation... and then threw it away in your trash can.

vs.

You travel to another poker game that your buddy plays in, dress up as a utility worker, and stand outside the window of the dining room pretending to fix his telephone line while people are playing, and film his cards, then develop a strategy for beating him the next weekend.

[Jerry Jabber]

Football teams that play the Patriots should start doing things like in the movie Animal House where they purposely put the wrong information in the trash, that way when the Patriots shift through a teams garbage at a hotel, it's all the wrong stuff.

[MDH]

2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

How does anybody who’s older than 10 cheer for these a-holes?  

As much as I love the Bills, if they ran things the way these scumbags do I’d stop watching football.  

 

Because people rationalize and excuse behavior when they are part of that group. They do it for their football teams, their political party, their country, etc. They do it for pretty much everything so they can go on feeling good about themselves.

 

It's what people do.

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Aireskoi said:

 

 

Where did Wire say that this morning?  I could only find the tweet form "rod francis", a guy who looks like he follows the NHL and "Bills" from Montreal.

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said:

Accidents happen, and the tip of the iceberg, what we know is that they were paying cleaning ladies to go into rooms they didn't own or rent out to sort through trash or allow them to enter the rooms, probably illegally. The cleaning ladies don't have authority to allow random people into big chain hotel rooms for money under the table.

 

And I am pretty sure that the Bengals are the ones that took the tape.

 

Now players were paying "cleaning ladies" to let them into opposing team players' rooms to see if they "accidentally" left playbooks in the trash?

[nucci]

44 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Football teams that play the Patriots should start doing things like in the movie Animal House where they purposely put the wrong information in the trash, that way when the Patriots shift through a teams garbage at a hotel, it's all the wrong stuff.

or wake them up in the middle of the night with fire extinguishers