Ravens @ Bills ****Predict the score****

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Hoping for a good game. Whoever wins doesnt really matter. Both scenarios work.

 

Do they "work"?  Not in favor of the Pats 

 

NE loses the 1st seed either way.  ALSO 

 

IF the Bills can defeat the Cravens and NE ... They can also lose the AFCE crown 

 

[LJs Bodyguard]

Alright, looking at film on the Bills Defense, it definitely looks like they could be one of the most, if not the most disciplined defenses and that is what it will take to at least slow down the Ravens offense. You have to keep Lamar in front of you and wait for help so your team can gang tackle him; don't try to tackle him one-on-one in the open field. I like my Ravens in this one, but I think the Pats lose to KC and then to you guys.

[Nitro]

21 hours ago, eball said:

 

...and lose by 19?  Something smells fishy...

Typo. 20-10

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, wjag said:

So I looked it up as well.  My memory was off.  It was not to say the Bills are not aggressive, but there's aggressive and then there is step on their throat aggressive.  Which is what Baltimore is doing all season.  Their punter doesn't need to shower after a game.

 

If your point is that the Bills don't have a step-on-their-throat aggressive HC who will run up the score when we have a lead, you're completely correct in that.   Give McDermott a lead and he totally goes conservative.  Kneels it out before the half instead of taking a shot.  Runs when the pass game was working.  It's one reason why our offense is relatively low-scoring.

 

McDermott will be aggressive on 4th down early in the game.  Part of this is he seems (for justified reasons) to lack faith in our FG kicker for longer kicks.  There have been several games which would arguably have ended differently if he had gone for the 3 points (and gotten them) instead of gone for it on 4th (and failed) early in the game.

 

The Ravens big advantage in this game is that they are a seasoned team accustomed to winning with a 10 year veteran HC.  10-6 and playoffs last year where we were 6-10 and doing a total rebuild and McDermott and Beane are still working to change the culture in the building. 

 

If we execute correctly, we can absolutely win this, but we're still working on executing correctly and consistently while the Ravens are There.  We still have some inconsistent performance questionmarks (ST, some on run D) which we've gotten away with at times because the rest of the team covered for it. 

 

The Ravens day in and day out, have been consistent this season, and if we do have gaffes on ST we may well pay for them.

 

[Realist]

I'd love to think the Ravens are due for a loss, but they have been playing some great football the past several games.

 

Bills 16

Ravens 27

[Say When...]

12 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Alright, looking at film on the Bills Defense, it definitely looks like they could be one of the most, if not the most disciplined defenses and that is what it will take to at least slow down the Ravens offense. You have to keep Lamar in front of you and wait for help so your team can gang tackle him; don't try to tackle him one-on-one in the open field. I like my Ravens in this one, but I think the Pats lose to KC and then to you guys.

 

and i will take this every day of the week, this game is not a must win in my mind, i just think it's an excellent matchup, even more than the game you guys had last week.

[Billznut]

Ravens 27

Bills      17

 

 

The Bills just haven’t consistently stopped the run this year. The Ravens are the best rushing team in the league since the 1977 Chicago Bears. Scary stuff. 

[wjag]

26 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Alright, looking at film on the Bills Defense, it definitely looks like they could be one of the most, if not the most disciplined defenses and that is what it will take to at least slow down the Ravens offense. You have to keep Lamar in front of you and wait for help so your team can gang tackle him; don't try to tackle him one-on-one in the open field. I like my Ravens in this one, but I think the Pats lose to KC and then to you guys.

 

From what I recently read on the tie breakers, this doesn't help Buffalo if they are tied.  Still a wildcard.  The Ravens must go down if the Bills aspire to more than a January  road game in KC.

[Bill from NYC]

34-10 Bills

[dollars 2 donuts]

I believe Baltimore may be the best team in football.

 

...but what if, at home, we are one of those teams or *The* team that gives them problems?

 

Buffalo, 20-17.

[Jpsredemption]

I really wanted to pick the Bills but I just can’t see it with Jackson being virtually unstoppable....Ravens 23 Bills 17. 

[Chris66]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Do they "work"?  Not in favor of the Pats 

 

NE loses the 1st seed either way.  ALSO 

 

IF the Bills can defeat the Cravens and NE ... They can also lose the AFCE crown 

 

Of course it works. Bills beat ravens. Pats can regain #1 seed with a win against the chiefs. If balt wins that keeps bills a game an a half behind even with a loss to the chiefs.

With a bills win and pats loss. Pats still up a half game with a head to head coming up

Edited December 5, 2019 by Chris66

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Of course it works. Bills beat ravens. Pats can regain #1 seed with a win against the chiefs. If balt wins that keeps bills a game an a half behind even with a loss to the chiefs.

With a bills win and pats loss. Pats still up a half game with a head to head coming up

 

Bills beat Cravens. Pats LOSE to KC  and you get this v 

 

Even you have to admit the Brady led offense is but a shadow of itself. 

 

Buffalo will beat the Pats on Dec 21st 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

I believe Baltimore may be the best team in football.

 

...but what if, at home, we are one of those teams or *The* team that gives them problems?

 

Buffalo, 20-17.

Any given Sunday amirite Donuts?? They still put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us, and, don’t they share a Cleveland loss? Let’s do this Buffalo!!!!

[Teddy KGB]

27–20 Bills win 

[LJs Bodyguard]

3 hours ago, wjag said:

 

From what I recently read on the tie breakers, this doesn't help Buffalo if they are tied.  Still a wildcard.  The Ravens must go down if the Bills aspire to more than a January  road game in KC.

Hell, I'll take a ravens loss if that means New England ends up being a wildcard. You can have the 1 seed, lol.

[dollars 2 donuts]

43 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Any given Sunday amirite Donuts?? They still put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us, and, don’t they share a Cleveland loss? Let’s do this Buffalo!!!!

 

 

Absolutely-damn-straight as an arrow, Brother.

 

Go Bills!

[muppy]

4 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Hoping for a good game. Whoever wins doesnt really matter. Both scenarios work.

It certainly does matter if the bills win out and pats lose 1 other game (hopefully this Sunday against the chiefs the bills would have the #1 seed in the AFC!! I may be a dreamer but it IS POSSIBLE

BILLS...............30

cRavens............27

[Foxx]

all i know is that it has been almost 8 complete days since the Bills were last on a football field and i am beginning to Jonez.

[DtownB2]

21-20 Bills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 hours ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

I'm going by how they have played since the Marcus Peters trade. That defense has gone through a lot of personnel changes since that Cleveland debacle. 2 new Middle Linebackers, 2 new Defensive Lineman, 1 new DE, a different starting safety, and Jimmy Smith coming back from injury.

 

OK.  The Bills do NOT claim to have a "completely different offense" in the 2nd half of the season.

 

So let's look at your claim.  Peters played in the Seattle game, so last 6 games.  By so asserting, you're asking us to edit all poor the Ravens have had. 

 

Since then, Ravens D has given up 13 ppg, 18 1st downs/game, 297 ypg, 188 pass ypg, 109 rush ypg, 2 TO per game

 

All season long, including all "stinker" games, Bills D has given up 16 ppg, 18 1st downs/game, 300 ypg, 196 pass ypg, 104 rush ypg, 1.3 TO per game.

 

So your specially selected subset of games (editing out bad games) vs our entire season looks darn equal to what the Bills have been doing all season. 

You really wanna hang your hat on 8 passing ypg more and 5 rush ypg less?  1 FG per game less points? 

 

You have a very good defense.

 

So do we.

 

 

[ndirish1978]

Justin Tucker does not miss FGs, Hauschka does. I hope this isn't the thing that costs us the game

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Justin Tucker does not miss FGs, Hauschka does. I hope this isn't the thing that costs us the game

 

You have hit upon my fear. 

Also, that the Ravens ST unit simply does not make miscues.  Our ST unit has given up a blocked punt for a TD and a TD on a return. 

 

The latter didn't hurt us, the former wound up being the point-difference at the end of the Pats game, and of course we have a game with 2 missed FG that was decided by 3 points.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

So I have never placed a bet before

 

if I got 6.5 points....that means as long as the bills dont lose by more then that I win?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

So I have never placed a bet before

 

if I got 6.5 points....that means as long as the bills dont lose by more then that I win?

correct. if you take them to cover at +6.5.... or you could take them on the moneyline to just win as dogs straight up and the payout is better

[Phil The Thrill]

I going to be pessimistic.  Baltimore is unstoppable on offense and wins 38-13

[John from Riverside]

I am predicting a close defensive battle.....

 

17 - 14 bills

[GoBills808]

23-24 Bills

[SJDK]

21-16 Bills

[InheritedBillsfan]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK.  The Bills do NOT claim to have a "completely different offense" in the 2nd half of the season.

 

So let's look at your claim.  Peters played in the Seattle game, so last 6 games.  By so asserting, you're asking us to edit all poor the Ravens have had. 

 

Since then, Ravens D has given up 13 ppg, 18 1st downs/game, 297 ypg, 188 pass ypg, 109 rush ypg, 2 TO per game

 

All season long, including all "stinker" games, Bills D has given up 16 ppg, 18 1st downs/game, 300 ypg, 196 pass ypg, 104 rush ypg, 1.3 TO per game.

 

So your specially selected subset of games (editing out bad games) vs our entire season looks darn equal to what the Bills have been doing all season. 

You really wanna hang your hat on 8 passing ypg more and 5 rush ypg less?  1 FG per game less points? 

 

You have a very good defense.

 

So do we.

 

 

I "think" what he was saying, is that the Ravens defense underwent a lot of changes after the injury to Jefferson and the loss to Cleveland. I think the FO realized they were trying to place square pegs into round holes which resulted in subpar defensive play. Since the changes to the defense, the Ravens have undeniably played better on the field -and- most importantly communicated more effectively. If you consider the capabilities and quality of the opponents the Ravens ran through, not including the 49'ers because that game really could have went either way, I can understand where many fans can point to a timeframe in the season where "improvements" occurred, regardless of anyones opinion on this board. And I will say that Mr. Bodyguard is echoing the same sentiments many other Ravens fans are stating regarding the improvement of this teams defensive play, and fans like myself and Mr. Bodyguard watch the games each and every week and know. And I actually watch *most* Bills games when I have the time ( reference my initial post in the Lamar thread). 

There are too many factors in play to really compare statistics including the quality of opponents, road/home games, injuries, and the list goes on and on.

 

Bottom line, I think Bills fans will see what the Ravens are all about come Sunday. And I am not taking anything away from the Bills because I have been following them for the last 10 years, but the level of competition between the two teams isn't as close as you may think. Again, for those not familiar with the Ravens team, folks will see come Sunday.  **And this is coming from someone who has no stakes in the game, nor do I work or play for the Ravens. I just watch both teams. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by InheritedBillsfan
spelling problems....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

I "think" what he was saying, is that the Ravens defense underwent a lot of changes after the injury to Jefferson and the loss to Cleveland.

 

That's part of what he was saying, but the part to which I and another were responding was that the Ravens have the best secondary in the league.

 

'Logic' pointed out that statisically that is untrue - Ravens 13th, Bills 3rd.  To which his response was "yes, but different D since we traded for Peters, much better."

 

So I actually looked at the numbers, and you can make a case for that the last 6 games - in which case statistically it's about the same as the Bills have been all season.

 

12 minutes ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

Bottom line, I think Bills fans will see what the Ravens are all about come Sunday. And I am not taking anything away from the Bills because I have been following them for the last 10 years, but the level of competition between the two teams isn't as close as you may think.

 

You're right, we'll see.

 

 

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

23-24 Bills

 

So Haushka hits it?

[InheritedBillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's part of what he was saying, but the part to which I and another were responding was that the Ravens have the best secondary in the league.

 

'Logic' pointed out that statisically that is untrue - Ravens 13th, Bills 3rd.  To which his response was "yes, but different D since we traded for Peters, much better."

 

So I actually looked at the numbers, and you can make a case for that the last 6 games - in which case statistically it's about the same as the Bills have been all season.

 

 

You're right, we'll see.

 

 

 

So Haushka hits it?

I think the Ravens have one of the most talented secondaries in the league, but statistically they are not the best. I just think the defense as a whole is clicking well together through better communication since many of the changes occurred and the players who were failing were replaced. 

At least from my take, the Ravens aren't "the best" at any position other than perhaps their kicker and mobile/multi-threat quarterback.  I just think the parts all seem to be working together and the weaknesses of some seem to be disguised by strengths of others. For example pass rush. The Ravens statistcailly have a difficult time getting to the quarterback without blitzing. That's why they blitz so much. The only consistent pass rusher the Ravens have is Judon since McPhee went down for the season. Ferguson seems often overmatched and other than a blitzing LB'er or secondary player, there's not a whole lot of 4 man rushes that bring it home. 

Man, Haushka is frustrating to watch, and he was for the Ravens as well. He can play a span of several games where he seems to turn the corner, then comes out and plays like he did against the Cowboys. Hey, at least he isn't Billy Cundiff! Could be a lot worse. 

 

As for this game, I think it's quite obvious McDermott is going to come out looking to match the Ravens intensity and take their own physical game right back to them.  It's a matter of if the Ravens will come out prepared and ready to continue the same level of play they have been. If they're not, then they are going to be setup for a letdown. 

Edited December 6, 2019 by InheritedBillsfan

[RichRiderBills]

28-20 Bills....

 

I think the Bills are coming into their own, and are still very hungry and mean. 

 

The Ravens are a hot, team, driven by both a new breed of offense, but also by great athletes and execution. I dont believe it is a gimmicky system, and I feel Lamar is just the ultimate guy to execute this brand of ball. They are blowing teams out if the RPO sells and core sell aspects of the Offense line up, but they've also been in some tight games against bad teams. 

 

With 10 days to prepare for this offense, in hostile Buffalo, I like our chances.

 

- I love the talent of Bills 2nd level defenders. I like our corners to hold up in coverage. Our tackling and run D has occasionally been suspect, but we also lead the league in TFL, and getting this team in 3rd and long will be key.

 

- part of me just smells a Ravens stinker....they are just too good to be true in some ways, and Im not a total buyer. 

 

-sure as hell cant see them coming in here in dec and beating up this Bills team. Either way, it will be close.

 

-I like the offense chances to move the ball. I still feel this is a young beast waking....the best is yet to come.

 

-pray it doesnt come down to kicker....

[LamarJackson2052]

11 hours ago, InheritedBillsfan said:

I "think" what he was saying, is that the Ravens defense underwent a lot of changes after the injury to Jefferson and the loss to Cleveland. I think the FO realized they were trying to place square pegs into round holes which resulted in subpar defensive play. Since the changes to the defense, the Ravens have undeniably played better on the field -and- most importantly communicated more effectively. If you consider the capabilities and quality of the opponents the Ravens ran through, not including the 49'ers because that game really could have went either way, I can understand where many fans can point to a timeframe in the season where "improvements" occurred, regardless of anyones opinion on this board. And I will say that Mr. Bodyguard is echoing the same sentiments many other Ravens fans are stating regarding the improvement of this teams defensive play, and fans like myself and Mr. Bodyguard watch the games each and every week and know. And I actually watch *most* Bills games when I have the time ( reference my initial post in the Lamar thread). 

There are too many factors in play to really compare statistics including the quality of opponents, road/home games, injuries, and the list goes on and on.

 

Bottom line, I think Bills fans will see what the Ravens are all about come Sunday. And I am not taking anything away from the Bills because I have been following them for the last 10 years, but the level of competition between the two teams isn't as close as you may think. Again, for those not familiar with the Ravens team, folks will see come Sunday.  **And this is coming from someone who has no stakes in the game, nor do I work or play for the Ravens. I just watch both teams. 

The main difference is with our defensive improvement down the stretch are that we’ve done it against Teams like Seattle, New England, Houston, LA and San Fran while you guys have against the Reskins, Browns, Dolphins, Broncos and Cowboys. Any given Sunday though....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, LamarJackson2052 said:

The main difference is with our defensive improvement down the stretch are that we’ve done it against Teams like Seattle, New England, Houston, LA and San Fran while you guys have against the Reskins, Browns, Dolphins, Broncos and Cowboys. Any given Sunday though....

 

You've already said that.  Several times.  Can only play the games on your schedule, just as we only play the games on ours.

 

 

 

 

 

[LJs Bodyguard]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You've already said that.  Several times.  Can only play the games on your schedule, just as we only play the games on ours.

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, we both feel great about our teams. Here's to a great game come Sunday, and wouldn't it be cool if this is the start of a rivalry like Brady/Manning for the next decade or so?

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Hey, we both feel great about our teams. Here's to a great game come Sunday, and wouldn't it be cool if this is the start of a rivalry like Brady/Manning for the next decade or so?

As long as the Bills get the Brady end of that deal.

[LJs Bodyguard]

2 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

As long as the Bills get the Brady end of that deal.

Same here, lol, but vice versa of course.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, LJs Bodyguard said:

Hey, we both feel great about our teams. Here's to a great game come Sunday, and wouldn't it be cool if this is the start of a rivalry like Brady/Manning for the next decade or so?

 

That's really what I want to see is a great hard fought game

[ProcessYaDigg]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's really what I want to see is a great hard fought game

A hard fought game with us leaving with the "W"