Week 14 - Ravens (-6.5) at Bills Over/Under 44

[MJS]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean we kind of do have the second best situation now. Cleveland has the talent but not the Coaching situation. The Jets are just a mess with holes on the roster and a failed Dolphins HC. Lamar clearly had the best situation though.

Coaching isn't the reason Mayfield turns the ball over so much and can't complete passes. That's his own struggle and he can't blame anyone else.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Lo-Down with Lorenzo Alexander

 

(Someone send that man a gift card, he spent 41 minutes answering reporter questions on Weds after practice.  That's above-and-beyond_

 

Good session as usual

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/the-lo-down-with-lorenzo-alexander-x8186 

 

'Zo's Keys to the game:

1) Dont forget about the Ravens RBs Ingrams and Edwards

2) Score TDs (on offense, on defense, any way you can...)...The Ravens are a different team if they can be shifted into more of a passing game

3) Control Field Position (a bunch of assumptions here, but....)

 

I liked the comment they all made about the Bills attitude in practice...."they're locked in"

[Patrick Duffy]

30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Lo-Down with Lorenzo Alexander

 

(Someone send that man a gift card, he spent 41 minutes answering reporter questions on Weds after practice.  That's above-and-beyond_

 

Good session as usual

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/the-lo-down-with-lorenzo-alexander-x8186 

 

'Zo's Keys to the game:

1) Dont forget about the Ravens RBs Ingrams and Edwards

2) Score TDs (on offense, on defense, any way you can...)...The Ravens are a different team if they can be shifted into more of a passing game

3) Control Field Position (a bunch of assumptions here, but....)

 

I liked the comment they all made about the Bills attitude in practice...."they're locked in"

 

Yes, it will be interesting to see what type of defensive game plan they come up with to try and stop the Ravens. Sooner or later they will be figured out,hopefully it starts on Sunday.

[LSHMEAB]

From a betting perspective, the Bills are what you would call live dogs. All the public(which means Joe Schmoe) money going on Baltimore and the big boys are pounding the line down.

 

Doesn't mean a TON in the grand scheme of things, but I'd rather see the Bills in this spot than the inverse.

[njbuff]

Brown, Beasley, Singletary and Knox is a pretty damn underrated weaponry.

 

If they can get a 5th guy going, there may be something to this Bills offense.

[Rockinon]

7 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Brown, Beasley, Singletary and Knox is a pretty damn underrated weaponry.

 

If they can get a 5th guy going, there may be something to this Bills offense.

Foster has been showing some flashes the last couple of games. And we haven't been running those jet sweeps as much lately. The 49ers were successful running to the edges too. I think we see just that.

[YoloinOhio]

Is this a “trap game” for Baltimore?

 

[RavensFan]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this a “trap game” for Baltimore?

 

 

An away game against a 9-3 team? I would expect not.

[Tesla03]

I don't think we have enough to beat the ravens but I still would like to see Allen continue to improve and have a good day. 

 

 

[Turk71]

5 hours ago, stevewin said:

And a few years later Larry Fogle was playing for Canisius.  Those little 3 games at the Aud were a good time

Tony Masiello was also a star at Canisius in the late 60's before Fogle, he was drafted by the ABA. He became Buffalo's mayor after Jimmy Griffin. 

  My older brothers and sisters took me to a lot of games back then. Good times!

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, RavensFan said:

 

An away game against a 9-3 team? I would expect not.

It’s a joke around here about trap games

[JerseyBills]

 

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[Mike in Horseheads]

Line up to 6.5 and money line +220. O/U 44

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Line up to 6.5 and money line +220. O/U 44

 

But what does it mean?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 teams on upset alert in NFL Week 14

 

 

Jesse Reed, Sportsnaut

10 hrs ago

 

Baltimore Ravens (-6) vs. Buffalo Bills

Sure, the Ravens have ripped off eight straight wins and just knocked off the San Francisco 49ers in epic style. But, the Bills have the kind of makeup on defense to do what San Francisco did against Lamar Jackson. Furthermore, quarterback Josh Allen is playing outstanding football in his second season.

This game will tell us plenty about Buffalo, which has lost just three times this year and could potentially knock the New England Patriots off their AFC East throne in the next few weeks. If Allen continues to take care of the football and Buffalo’s third-ranked defense continues to dominate upfront, this could be a huge stepping stone for Allen and Co.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

But what does it mean?

That the sharps did the best they could to bring the line down but the public LOVES the Ravens.

[ehfeuh57]

32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That the sharps did the best they could to bring the line down but the public LOVES the Ravens.

If they really were sharp in your scenario, they would have known this and waited to get a better price on the Bills

 

[GETTOTHE50]

Bills are going to come out pissed and ready to kick some ass.

 

Home field will be huge.

 

Dont play too tight, don’t play too loose, just play right. 
 

we will be fine. 
 

but goddamnit Scuba Steve, you better be perfect. 

[Jaydee414]

Greetings: Lifelong Baltimore fan here. Season tix holder since the BALTIMORE Colt days. (Yes, that still hurts). I’ve been reading this board all week and must say I am happy to find a board of thoughtful, insightful posters. Of course, there are the occasional lunkheads; they exist on every fan board, but you guys are head & shoulders above the tripe that frequent the CLE or PIT boards, not to mention the sanctimonious, smug Massholes on the NE boards. Well done, Buffalo. 

As to tomorrow’s game, I don’t believe any/many intelligent Ravens fans are viewing this as a “walkover” or an “easy” game. While acknowledging   the relative ease of the Bills schedule, don’t forget the Ravens have played MIA, AZ, CIN twice, and CLE (who curb-stomped BAL in week 4).

As in every week, the key to shutting down the Ravens begins with #8 & the RPO. Different schemes have been employed this year with minimal success. Buffalo may/may not have the talent & discipling to succeed. If Murphy & Hughes can stay focused on their assignments and disregard what they THINK they see, allowing the ILB’s to “scrape” to the edge and the ILB’s have the speed to GET there, BUF may be able to slow down LJ. Edmunds has speed, but enough? We’ll see. Also, the ILB’s ingrained first reaction is going to be Ingram/Edwards on the dive. If the ILB’s take that FIRST step up into the line, they’ve lost the edge to LJ.  He is that fast. The Bills DL will have to maintain gap discipline, which is difficult with all the “angle” blocks that the BAL OL employs. Tall order for any D to hit on all those items consistently. Meanwhile, committing 8 to the box means 1on1 coverage for the CB’s. Good luck with M. Brown and the BAL TE’s.  Overall, quite a handful.

on D, BAL will bring pressure from any/every where. The RAVENS DL does not generate much pressure on the QB on their own, so blitzes are frequent and varied. Allen must read it quickly and the BUF WR’s & TE’s must open up immediately on their routes. I think the BUF LT may be in for a rough day. Singletary may have some success on the edge if the BAL containment is as poor as they showed last week vs SF. Ferguson (#45) was totally lost and abused last week. Not sure about the BUF TE’s blocking skills.

BAL has the best K in NFL history which is a nice arrow to have in one’s quiver. The elements in BUF may affect his value somewhat, but while many fans “hope” their K makes the kick, BAL fans “expect” Tucker to make everything inside 55 yds. 
Let’s hope for a good, injury free game. Baltimore is rooting for Buffalo to step up and knock off NE. Hell, we’d root for the Manson Family over NE. 

See you after the game. 

[ALF]

A little extra rest and recovery time for the Bills and  coming off a big win , cautious  optimism . If the Bills can win this game then success in the playoffs is more likely.

[atlbillsfan1975]

19 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said:

Greetings: Lifelong Baltimore fan here. Season tix holder since the BALTIMORE Colt days. (Yes, that still hurts). I’ve been reading this board all week and must say I am happy to find a board of thoughtful, insightful posters. Of course, there are the occasional lunkheads; they exist on every fan board, but you guys are head & shoulders above the tripe that frequent the CLE or PIT boards, not to mention the sanctimonious, smug Massholes on the NE boards. Well done, Buffalo. 

As to tomorrow’s game, I don’t believe any/many intelligent Ravens fans are viewing this as a “walkover” or an “easy” game. While acknowledging   the relative ease of the Bills schedule, don’t forget the Ravens have played MIA, AZ, CIN twice, and CLE (who curb-stomped BAL in week 4).

As in every week, the key to shutting down the Ravens begins with #8 & the RPO. Different schemes have been employed this year with minimal success. Buffalo may/may not have the talent & discipling to succeed. If Murphy & Hughes can stay focused on their assignments and disregard what they THINK they see, allowing the ILB’s to “scrape” to the edge and the ILB’s have the speed to GET there, BUF may be able to slow down LJ. Edmunds has speed, but enough? We’ll see. Also, the ILB’s ingrained first reaction is going to be Ingram/Edwards on the dive. If the ILB’s take that FIRST step up into the line, they’ve lost the edge to LJ.  He is that fast. The Bills DL will have to maintain gap discipline, which is difficult with all the “angle” blocks that the BAL OL employs. Tall order for any D to hit on all those items consistently. Meanwhile, committing 8 to the box means 1on1 coverage for the CB’s. Good luck with M. Brown and the BAL TE’s.  Overall, quite a handful.

on D, BAL will bring pressure from any/every where. The RAVENS DL does not generate much pressure on the QB on their own, so blitzes are frequent and varied. Allen must read it quickly and the BUF WR’s & TE’s must open up immediately on their routes. I think the BUF LT may be in for a rough day. Singletary may have some success on the edge if the BAL containment is as poor as they showed last week vs SF. Ferguson (#45) was totally lost and abused last week. Not sure about the BUF TE’s blocking skills.

BAL has the best K in NFL history which is a nice arrow to have in one’s quiver. The elements in BUF may affect his value somewhat, but while many fans “hope” their K makes the kick, BAL fans “expect” Tucker to make everything inside 55 yds. 
Let’s hope for a good, injury free game. Baltimore is rooting for Buffalo to step up and knock off NE. Hell, we’d root for the Manson Family over NE. 

See you after the game. 

Thanks for stopping by and the analysis and information. The one guy you didn’t mention who could be a game changer is Ed Oliver . I think Oliver is going to be in Lamars face up the middle and Oliver is fast enough the catch Lamar in the pocket. Hughes and Murphy need to keep the edge and funnel everything back to the middle OR make Lamar run so far out of the way to get outside that the LB and cornerbacks are waiting. Let’s be honest, Lamar hasn’t really used his wide receivers that much compared to TE. Cornerbacks Tre White and Kevin Johnson/Levi Wallace need to be sure tacklers. Love to see how Lamar looks having 40+ attempts. Make Jackson play QB. 

On offense Allen needs to play like he did against Dallas. I see Singletary having a big game and also Foster/McKenzie. Baltimore looked weak on the edges against SF. Buffalo has some good blocking TE’s.  I think the Bills can run and score on Baltimore. I also think Daboll will have a couple wrinkles. 
I agree let’s hope everyone stays healthy and we see a great game. And yes we all want to see New England end their reign. I firmly believe it’s coming quick. 

Edited December 7, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Jaydee414]

4 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Thanks for stopping by and the analysis and information. The one guy you didn’t mention who could be a game changer is Ed Oliver . I think Oliver is going to be in Lamars face up the middle and Oliver is fast enough the catch Lamar in the pocket. Hughes and Murphy need to keep the edge and funnel everything back to the middle OR make Lamar run so far out of the way to get outside that the LB and cornerbacks are waiting. Let’s be honest, Lamar hasn’t really used his wide receivers that much compared to TE. Cornerbacks Tre White and Kevin Johnson/Levi Wallace need to be sure tacklers. Love to see how Lamar looks having 40+ attempts. Make Jackson play QB. 

On offense Allen needs to play like he did against Dallas. I see Singletary having a big game and also Foster/McKenzie. Baltimore looked weak on the edges against SF. Buffalo has some good blocking TE’s.  I think the Bills can run and score on Baltimore. I also think Daboll will have a couple wrinkles. 
I agree let’s hope everyone stays healthy and we see a great game. And yes we all want to see New England end their reign. I firmly believe it’s coming quick. 

If Oliver has figured it out, he can be a beast. As to him being fast enough to catch LJ in the pocket, if LJ is hemmed in, Olivers speed is irrelevant. If you mean fast enough to chase/catch LJ, not a chance. 
You are correct, the BAL WR’s are not frequent targets. However, sleep on #15 and he will be 40 yards downfield in a blink. LJ looks TE first, even moreso in BUF wind/weather. Andrews & Hurst are match-up nightmares, and Boyle is often dismissed as a receiver. It all comes down to “pick your poison” and hope you choose correctly. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

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Hm. Look at that.

[CommonCents]

Lamar and that offense are humming right now but I still think he is capable of getting boxed in like he was in that playoff game last year. Here’s to hoping the Bills play fearless and attack that O.

[atlbillsfan1975]

9 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said:

If Oliver has figured it out, he can be a beast. As to him being fast enough to catch LJ in the pocket, if LJ is hemmed in, Olivers speed is irrelevant. If you mean fast enough to chase/catch LJ, not a chance. 
You are correct, the BAL WR’s are not frequent targets. However, sleep on #15 and he will be 40 yards downfield in a blink. LJ looks TE first, even moreso in BUF wind/weather. Andrews & Hurst are match-up nightmares, and Boyle is often dismissed as a receiver. It all comes down to “pick your poison” and hope you choose correctly. 

There is a very nice video on here showing Oliver and Houston dominating in college against Lamar and Louisville.  Now that doesn’t mean much, but it shows Oliver’s quickness is enough in close quarters to get to Lamar. I think the Bills matchup very well against Baltimore. I hope the Bills can force Lamar to throw to the outside and make him go through reads.  I also like our coaches scheming up a game plan and McDermott and Leslie Frazier to make in game adjustments on D.

 

[CorkScrewHill]

Really interesting article from the Baltimore Sun where their sports writers answer such questions as whether the Ravens should be concerned about their difficulties containing the run given the Bills running back and whether JA is the 2nd best QB from the 2018 class. Very insightful IMHO. 

 

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/baltimore-sun/20191207/281792810901980

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

47 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said:

As in every week, the key to shutting down the Ravens begins with #8 & the RPO. Different schemes have been employed this year with minimal success. Buffalo may/may not have the talent & discipling to succeed. If Murphy & Hughes can stay focused on their assignments and disregard what they THINK they see, allowing the ILB’s to “scrape” to the edge and the ILB’s have the speed to GET there, BUF may be able to slow down LJ. Edmunds has speed, but enough? We’ll see. Also, the ILB’s ingrained first reaction is going to be Ingram/Edwards on the dive. If the ILB’s take that FIRST step up into the line, they’ve lost the edge to LJ.  He is that fast. The Bills DL will have to maintain gap discipline, which is difficult with all the “angle” blocks that the BAL OL employs. Tall order for any D to hit on all those items consistently. Meanwhile, committing 8 to the box means 1on1 coverage for the CB’s. Good luck with M. Brown and the BAL TE’s.  Overall, quite a handful.

nice post. It’s nice when non trolls visit. 

You forgot Matt Milano.  
You forgot Jordan Poyer.

You forgot Micah Hyde.

You forgot Tre’ White.

You forgot Ed Oliver.  
 

And probably 1 or 2 others. 
 

[Rockinon]

18 minutes ago, Jaydee414 said:

If Oliver has figured it out, he can be a beast. As to him being fast enough to catch LJ in the pocket, if LJ is hemmed in, Olivers speed is irrelevant. If you mean fast enough to chase/catch LJ, not a chance. 
You are correct, the BAL WR’s are not frequent targets. However, sleep on #15 and he will be 40 yards downfield in a blink. LJ looks TE first, even moreso in BUF wind/weather. Andrews & Hurst are match-up nightmares, and Boyle is often dismissed as a receiver. It all comes down to “pick your poison” and hope you choose correctly. 

Have you seen Oliver coming off of a block? Doesn't matter how fast you are if your interior OL is blown up like that. You expect an offensive lineman to at least slow the rush down. When it doesn't, it's too late.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Bills are going to come out pissed and ready to kick some ass.

 

Home field will be huge.

 

Dont play too tight, don’t play too loose, just play right. 
 

we will be fine. 
 

but goddamnit Scuba Steve, you better be perfect. 

 

...jeez, choose some other words.....currently not a strong suit...

[CorkScrewHill]

I was not aware of the Ravens propensity to Blitz and certainly not Josh's success since week 5 .. Next Gen stats from Ravens site .. very interesting.

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/next-gen-stats-ravens-vs-bills-matchups-to-watch

 

[Chaos]

Who is the Raven's back up QB? If Jackson gets hurt, does the entire Raven's offense collapse? 

[Say When...]

Harbs?  i'm sure no different than us using McD but Harbs?  it's not like Harbaugh is that hard to type out and that's the actual media typing it out, McD is a fan nickname.

 

still not as bad as 'Jules'; no grown man should ever call another grown man 'Jules' unless they're heading out to Brokeback mountain...

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Who is the Raven's back up QB? If Jackson gets hurt, does the entire Raven's offense collapse? 

RG3

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, Say When... said:

Harbs?  i'm sure no different than us using McD but Harbs?  it's not like Harbaugh is that hard to type out and that's the actual media typing it out, McD is a fan nickname.

 

still not as bad as 'Jules'; no grown man should ever call another grown man 'Jules' unless they're heading out to Brokeback mountain...

RG3

that actually is pretty logical.  

[Say When...]

Just now, Chaos said:

that actually is pretty logical.  

 

it's very smart in my mind, he's capable of running the same O, maybe not as effective but they don't have to change anything bringing him in.

 

 

[Jaydee414]

10 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

it's very smart in my mind, he's capable of running the same O, maybe not as effective but they don't have to change anything bringing him in.

 

 

That is the reason RG3 has a job in BAL. 

He has been nothing but a pro in his relationship with LJ and the entire BAL organization. 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Jaydee414 said:

Greetings: Lifelong Baltimore fan here. Season tix holder since the BALTIMORE Colt days. (Yes, that still hurts). I’ve been reading this board all week and must say I am happy to find a board of thoughtful, insightful posters. Of course, there are the occasional lunkheads; they exist on every fan board, but you guys are head & shoulders above the tripe that frequent the CLE or PIT boards, not to mention the sanctimonious, smug Massholes on the NE boards. Well done, Buffalo. 

As to tomorrow’s game, I don’t believe any/many intelligent Ravens fans are viewing this as a “walkover” or an “easy” game. While acknowledging   the relative ease of the Bills schedule, don’t forget the Ravens have played MIA, AZ, CIN twice, and CLE (who curb-stomped BAL in week 4).

As in every week, the key to shutting down the Ravens begins with #8 & the RPO. Different schemes have been employed this year with minimal success. Buffalo may/may not have the talent & discipling to succeed. If Murphy & Hughes can stay focused on their assignments and disregard what they THINK they see, allowing the ILB’s to “scrape” to the edge and the ILB’s have the speed to GET there, BUF may be able to slow down LJ. Edmunds has speed, but enough? We’ll see. Also, the ILB’s ingrained first reaction is going to be Ingram/Edwards on the dive. If the ILB’s take that FIRST step up into the line, they’ve lost the edge to LJ.  He is that fast. The Bills DL will have to maintain gap discipline, which is difficult with all the “angle” blocks that the BAL OL employs. Tall order for any D to hit on all those items consistently. Meanwhile, committing 8 to the box means 1on1 coverage for the CB’s. Good luck with M. Brown and the BAL TE’s.  Overall, quite a handful.

on D, BAL will bring pressure from any/every where. The RAVENS DL does not generate much pressure on the QB on their own, so blitzes are frequent and varied. Allen must read it quickly and the BUF WR’s & TE’s must open up immediately on their routes. I think the BUF LT may be in for a rough day. Singletary may have some success on the edge if the BAL containment is as poor as they showed last week vs SF. Ferguson (#45) was totally lost and abused last week. Not sure about the BUF TE’s blocking skills.

BAL has the best K in NFL history which is a nice arrow to have in one’s quiver. The elements in BUF may affect his value somewhat, but while many fans “hope” their K makes the kick, BAL fans “expect” Tucker to make everything inside 55 yds. 
Let’s hope for a good, injury free game. Baltimore is rooting for Buffalo to step up and knock off NE. Hell, we’d root for the Manson Family over NE. 

See you after the game. 

 

I like it when another teams fan comes here and can talk football instead of just trying to troll.  Hoping for a fun game, good long battle, and no injuries.  Enjoy the game man.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I like it when another teams fan comes here and can talk football instead of just trying to troll.  Hoping for a fun game, good long battle, and no injuries.  Enjoy the game man.

 

...sure as hell is......and he sounds like he knows his stuff......roll out the "welcome mat" for sure......

[BUFFALOKIE]

41 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I like it when another teams fan comes here and can talk football instead of just trying to troll.  Hoping for a fun game, good long battle, and no injuries.  Enjoy the game man.

Me too. It's happening more frequently lately. Hmm, wonder why?