SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/12/nfl-week-14-odds-buffalo-bills-open-as-near-touchdown-home-underdog-to-baltimore-ravens.html Edited December 8, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 There's a pretty good Vic Carruci article on TBN about the Ravens offense and Lamar Jackson, extensively quoting Louisville alum Eric Wood https://buffalonews.com/2019/12/01/buffalo-bills-eric-wood-lamar-jackson-baltimore-ravens-nfl-football-week-14-news-analysis-opinion-2019/ (paywall, I think there's a free trial) A few key points: "The Ravens' offensive line might very well be the most physical in the NFL......O-line coach Joe D'Alessandris.......preaches that his group be as physical as possible. D'Alessandris coached with the Bills from 2010 to 2012. "Joe teaches physicality," Wood said. "Joe's an old steel-mill worker who started on the ground floor and worked his way up to an NFL offensive line coach. And what he does is he comes in with a chip on his shoulder and he gets guys to play hard and tough. He tracks how many times you put guys on the ground, which a lot of coaches don't do. And those guys get after it up front." " On Greg Roman's system:"A lot of times you can dictate coverage with a mobile quarterback. A lot of times, it's tough to run man-to-man coverage on third down without pressuring because if you have all your DBs chasing wide receivers down the field and the mobile quarterback escapes pocket, that's 40-50 yards and so you dictate coverage and you're teaching those guys that. And Greg just does a phenomenal job." Jackson's athleticism is only part of the story. He has added the dimension of being an effective passer, as evidenced by his 20-yard touchdown throw and other clutch plays through the air against the Niners. That allows for Roman to be highly creative with actual plays and strategy designed to deceive. "It looks like a lot of smoke and mirrors, and it is in the backfield," Wood said. "There are motions that mean nothing. They may be to identify coverage and they just may be to get the linebackers' eyes looking somewhere else. And then there's read fakes by the quarterback that the quarterback will never keep the ball. It's not truly a read. "It just is another element of window dressing, but then you're getting hit in the mouth." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 ESPN app now has Ravens listed as -5.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Going to be a tough game. Defense’s toughest test yet. I still think there is a way to shut the ravens down, similar to the Playoffs last year. Just not sure how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 After getting blown out 47-3 in the season opener last year, I hope the Bills are looking for some retribution on Sunday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 49ers played them tough. Gonna be a few ideas from that game film im ho. I think taking the Bills at home with 6 1/2 points is a great bet, but not driving 105 miles to Del Lago to put a bet down........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, dubs said: Going to be a tough game. Defense’s toughest test yet. I still think there is a way to shut the ravens down, similar to the Playoffs last year. Just not sure how. The Ravens went out in the off-season and added players, then revised their offensive scheme so as to avoid last season. Key offensive skill player additions: -Mark Ingram at RB. 30 years old, 5 ypa, and 70 ypg -Nick Boyle (R) at TE -Marquise Brown (R) at WR -a much more pass-capable Lamar Jackson What the Ravens looked like against the 9ers with 100+ yards passing, 180 yds rushing, and 20 points, is about as close to shut down as one's gonna get 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Just a note. Nick Boyle used to be on the Ravens but they let him walk in FA - he is now on the Colts. Mark Andrews is their TE1, he was drafted in 2018 in the 1st (ahead of Lamar) Huh? Boyle is definitely on the Ravens. http://www.nfl.com/player/nickboyle/2552402/profile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Huh? Boyle is definitely on the Ravens. http://www.nfl.com/player/nickboyle/2552402/profile He must be thinking of Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Their Defense looked like it can be run on. Here's to hoping our D can slow down Jackson enough to give Josh and company a chance to win it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Ravens went out in the off-season and added players, then revised their offensive scheme so as to avoid last season. Key offensive skill player additions: -Mark Ingram at RB. 30 years old, 5 ypa, and 70 ypg -Nick Boyle (R) at TE -Marquise Brown (R) at WR -a much more pass-capable Lamar Jackson What the Ravens looked like against the 9ers with 100+ yards passing, 180 yds rushing, and 20 points, is about as close to shut down as one's gonna get You never know. I still don’t think Jackson is a good passer. I think defenses just haven’t figured out a way to make him one dimensional. Granted, that’s a really tall task and no suggesting it’s easy. It’s not, no one has done it yet. But I think that possibility is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, SWATeam said: He must be thinking of Doyle I was thinking of Doyle! Need more coffee lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, dubs said: You never know. I still don’t think Jackson is a good passer. I think defenses just haven’t figured out a way to make him one dimensional. Granted, that’s a really tall task and no suggesting it’s easy. It’s not, no one has done it yet. But I think that possibility is out there. Yea if you can somehow scheme a way to make Lamar throw it 30+ times a game I think his limitations will show, evidenced by the first 6 weeks of the season when they were good but not the world beaters they are now. In this 8- game win streak he has thrown it over 30 times only once, against the Bengals when they won by 6 points. But, like you said, that is a very tall task with their running schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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freddyjj Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Huh? Boyle is definitely on the Ravens. http://www.nfl.com/player/nickboyle/2552402/profile 18 minutes ago, SWATeam said: He must be thinking of Doyle Nick Boyle Jack Doyle All those Micks look the same to me - cuz I am one too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Focus on stopping Ingram smashing the gaps. MUST play assignment football. MUST funnel Lamar to the sideline. MUST take away the middle of the field in the passing game and force Jackson to throw to the sidelines. Easier said than done. On offense we have to have long drives and score TDs. They can be run on, and they can also be passed on if the run is successful. Josh is going to have to be his own weapon. A Kick or Punt return would go a long way to flipping the score / momentum. Simply put, we need to have a great game in all three phases. It can be done, no one is unbeatable. But this is the best team in football in my opinion, and its going to take a perfect game to come out with the win. Im not expecting it though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 This could be totally stupid because I’m not an NFL defensive coordinator, but, here goes... Id clog the line and keep everyone in their lanes. I’m talking 4 or 5 linemen in the gaps, 2 or 3 LBs playing off the line and crashing, a safety in the middle and two DBs. The second it’s apparent it’s not a run, drop the LBs, a lineman, and clog up the middle passing lanes. Make Jackson stay and throw to the sidelines or in really tight windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebandit27 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 You have to stop that run game or you're dead meat. LorAx and Shaq need to have a huge game containing the edges, and the safeties will need to be really disciplined in their fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Game at Dallas showed we can beat playoff caliber team. Baltimore game will show if Bills are able to beat SB caliber team 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 58 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: 49ers played them tough. Gonna be a few ideas from that game film im ho. I think taking the Bills at home with 6 1/2 points is a great bet, but not driving 105 miles to Del Lago to put a bet down........ The weather played them tougher I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said: After getting blown out 47-3 in the season opener last year, I hope the Bills are looking for some retribution on Sunday. Gosh I forgot all about that angle to the game. So much has changed for both teams offenses. Was Roman the OC for that game? I know Flacco was the QB. The offensive philosophy was more traditional. how much carryover is there really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Ned Flanders said: ESPN app now has Ravens listed as -5.5. It will fluctuate I'm sure 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) Ravens have never won in Buffalo(0-2). 6 of the 8 meetings have been in Baltimore, Ravens lead series 5-3. Edited December 2, 2019 by boco357 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, dubs said: This could be totally stupid because I’m not an NFL defensive coordinator, but, here goes... Id clog the line and keep everyone in their lanes. I’m talking 4 or 5 linemen in the gaps, 2 or 3 LBs playing off the line and crashing, a safety in the middle and two DBs. The second it’s apparent it’s not a run, drop the LBs, a lineman, and clog up the middle passing lanes. Make Jackson stay and throw to the sidelines or in really tight windows. I think you are on to something. Milano and Edmunds need to have big games. I think Alexander’s snaps are limited. When Alexander does play, I’d like to see him more in a standing DE position. Alexander is a liability in open space trying to cover or run down Lamar. We need Oliver’s speed to show up for this one. I feel more comfortable with our interior lines speed than I do with our ends. TE’s are Lamars go to. This is the game I hope we can make Lamar be a pocket QB. We heard a few teams say about Tyrod ‘ we wanted to make him play QB’. That’s how I feel the approach should be this week to start. If Lamar can do this, good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ogham26 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) id play them like this shaq oliver Star phillips hughes Milano edmunds then have hyde in the box as well Edited December 2, 2019 by ogham26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I don’t think our defensive front 7 is physical enough to win this game. Roman runs a power blocking scheme that will neutralize the speed of our linebackers. This game will be won between the tackles. I hope I’m wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebandit27 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, ogham26 said: id play them like this shaq oliver Star phillips hughes Milano edmunds then have hyde in the box as well I fear that the TEs would destroy you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: I fear that the TEs would destroy you i'm not gonna pretend to know how to stop the ravens at this point. I think yesterday is about as good as somebody could play them and they still got to 20..... but aren't our athletic coverage LB's a positive matchup vs their te's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I fear that the TEs would destroy you very possible. I think id sell out to stop the rushing attack and take my chances that lamar cant make enough throws to win the game. either way were going to need allen and the offense to put up points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, ogham26 said: id play them like this shaq oliver Star phillips hughes Milano edmunds then have hyde in the box as well I like that. Maybe get Luiget in there too. Johnson. Shaq: Luiget: Star: Philips: Oliver. White Hughes: Edmunds: Milano Hyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Gosh I forgot all about that angle to the game. So much has changed for both teams offenses. Was Roman the OC for that game? I know Flacco was the QB. The offensive philosophy was more traditional. how much carryover is there really? Most of the Bills D is still intact from that game (except for two new starters), but Allen and Dawkins would be the only ones from offense. Not sure about the Ravens. I'm sure the guys on defense, especially the coaches remember that game and hopefully will look for some measure of redemption from the horrific showing to start the 2018 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 My concern for our defense is Mark Ingram and the Baltimore run orientated Oline.. I remember how he, as a New Orleans Saint, ran all over us a couple years ago. Baltimore has an Oline built for the power run. Without a doubt a great challenge for our "D". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'm not gonna pretend to know how to stop the ravens at this point. I think yesterday is about as good as somebody could play them and they still got to 20..... but aren't our athletic coverage LB's a positive matchup vs their te's? I think they'd hold their own, but I also think that it's a complicated matter. You have to take away their ability to get easy yards on the ground first. I have confidence in the defensive staff's ability to confuse the QB post-snap, but they also need their athletes at LB to be available to chase down Lamar when things break down and he tries to create. 2 minutes ago, ogham26 said: very possible. I think id sell out to stop the rushing attack and take my chances that lamar cant make enough throws to win the game. either way were going to need allen and the offense to put up points True that my friend. I think safety play will be super critical (as always). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I fear that the TEs would destroy you They may anyway. I would focus on Andrews first and take my chances with Ingram. The 'backers and safeties will have to bring their 'A' game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: i'm not gonna pretend to know how to stop the ravens at this point. I think yesterday is about as good as somebody could play them and they still got to 20..... but aren't our athletic coverage LB's a positive matchup vs their te's? jimmy g fumbled on his own 23 so basically gifted the ravens 7 points. that cost the game it would seem. you could say the niners d really held lamar to 13 points so they did a very good job in containing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 the line at draftkings has moved to Baltimore -4.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, ogham26 said: the line at draftkings has moved to Baltimore -4.5 There's no way the public is on buffalo. That means there is sharp money coming in on the bills and driving the line down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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