McD's weekly presser: Huddling not planned on final drive

[london_bills]

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If Josh is so stupid to be sauntering back to a huddle with under 50 seconds and 1 TO, then forget about coaching. This kid might be as dumb as a bag of nails.  I've watched Buffalo Bills games for over 50 years and I've never seen what I saw yesterday with that huddle. I was angry and embarrassed all at the same time.

Awful. Just awful. 

 

The interviewer at todays presser should of said the fans are embarrassed. 

Edited November 12, 2019 by london_bills

[Mr. WEO]

Actually, McD clapped "CUDDLE UP"...and JA got confused.

[Iverwig]

This is why Josh is making mistakes and the offense sucks. Coach McD is a brilliant defensive mind but it’s obvious he doesn’t get involved with the offensive game plan. For him to say “it wasn’t the plan to huddle , we had to” What the heck dies that mean? Don’t tell me Josh goes hurry up and then all of a sudden huddles up. That’s not on the players that’s on coaching. For him not to know why Singletary only has 8 carries and then say we need to do a better job of getting him the ball. Didn’t he say that a few weeks ago? This team is doomed this year. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

44 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said:

Beasley being open is a split second decision. 
crock of crap

its a pre snap read. Off coverage on the left vs tight coverage on the right. 
 

He looked right the entire time vs a cover 0 blitz. 

You’re wrong.  Watch the tape and go frame by frame.  When the ball gets snapped, he immediately looks left at the far side DB sitting over Beasley.  He then immediately goes to the right towards Brown and the far side DB who is over Beasley notices Allen look right and starts to bail deep which opens Beasley up.  I won’t argue that his mind was made up to go to Brown from the get go, but he did survey the far side DB over Beasley when the ball was snapped.  Once Allen commits to Brown, the DB gives up on Beasley.  Watch bit frame by frame.

[row_33]

too bad the former GM couldn't stand there at the presser and tell us he didn't see the game and had no opinion at all about the game's outcome

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

31 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If Josh is so stupid to be sauntering back to a huddle with under 50 seconds and 1 TO, then forget about coaching. This kid might be as dumb as a bag of nails.  I've watched Buffalo Bills games for over 50 years and I've never seen what I saw yesterday with that huddle. I was angry and embarrassed all at the same time.

I’m willing to bet he’s smarter than you.

[JaCrispy]

36 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If Josh is so stupid to be sauntering back to a huddle with under 50 seconds and 1 TO, then forget about coaching. This kid might be as dumb as a bag of nails.  I've watched Buffalo Bills games for over 50 years and I've never seen what I saw yesterday with that huddle. I was angry and embarrassed all at the same time.

It certainly was sad to see...makes you wonder if he’s ever played Madden a day in his life...I mean, it’s Football 101...come on, man! ??‍♂️

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Jammer8732 said:

You do realize that if we won, they would be debating the greatest goal line stand in NFL history...don’t you?

 Not to take anything from our defense,  but Cleveland’s playcalling was beyond awful. I could not believe how dumb they are. It was laughable. Taking their best players off the field and run a heavy set.  Football coaches can be morons sometimes.  
 

if Cleveland gets the right coach, they will be a problem.  They have so much talent but they are badly coached.

[JaCrispy]

9 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

I’m willing to bet he’s smarter than you.

Yes, but there is a difference between being smart and being aware of the situation...seemed like Josh had no clue he only had 30 seconds left- and that the clock was STILL ticking...very bizarre moment...

[london_bills]

14 minutes ago, Iverwig said:

This is why Josh is making mistakes and the offense sucks. Coach McD is a brilliant defensive mind but it’s obvious he doesn’t get involved with the offensive game plan. For him to say “it wasn’t the plan to huddle , we had to” What the heck dies that mean? Don’t tell me Josh goes hurry up and then all of a sudden huddles up. That’s not on the players that’s on coaching. For him not to know why Singletary only has 8 carries and then say we need to do a better job of getting him the ball. Didn’t he say that a few weeks ago? This team is doomed this year. 

By understanding defence he must therefore know some offence. He HAS to get involved. He's not stupid and he must be. It's possible theres a string of losses coming due to the performances this season but hopefully we are 7-3 Sunday evening. Lose against the fins and this board will EXPLODE. 

[wvbillsfan]

13 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

You’re wrong.  Watch the tape and go frame by frame.  When the ball gets snapped, he immediately looks left at the far side DB sitting over Beasley.  He then immediately goes to the right towards Brown and the far side DB who is over Beasley notices Allen look right and starts to bail deep which opens Beasley up.  I won’t argue that his mind was made up to go to Brown from the get go, but he did survey the far side DB over Beasley when the ball was snapped.  Once Allen commits to Brown, the DB gives up on Beasley.  Watch bit frame by frame.

Went back and looked at the cover one Twitter. 
Allen looks left but I don’t think he is looking for anything. Db is bailing out the entire time. 
 

Brown said he tapped him to a go route. I firmly believe he was going there the entire time once he recognized the coverage. 

[JoPar_v2]

57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

"We've got to score more points to enable ourselves to win games -- and to be a stretch down the threat, that's what we've got to do. I want to move the ball and score points."

 

You see....this is why none of us could be the Bills HC.  We simply aren't wired to think this way, no more than we could describe how to split the atom. 

lol. Truly, it hurts my head just trying to comprehend brain genius concepts like these from McDermott.

[USABuffaloFan]

Have to score more points, REALLY! Didn't mean to Huddle, REALLY! Need to get the ball into the hands of playmakers, so 3rd and 3 your playmaker was Beasley long, REALLY! Your glad players can admit when they make bad plays, that seems too be happening allot, REALLY!

[LABILLBACKER]

20 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

I’m willing to bet he’s smarter than you.

That would be like taking candy from an Aldo baby. 

[CEN-CAL17]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Yes, but there is a difference between being smart and being aware of the situation...seemed like Josh had no clue he only had 30 seconds left- and that the clock was STILL ticking...very bizarre moment...

I had a problem with... is a back shoulder go route the best option? I could give 2 sh!ts what McD said, they were playing for the tie, a FG. On 3rd and 4, if only trying to get into FG range why not a comeback or a 10 yard out? Or shoot a TE pop then call a timeout.... all around it’s on the coaching. 

Daboll should have been in Joshs ear, remember he on the mic until 15 seconds on the play clock. He’s gotta he walking Josh through the play... I’m truly interested to know if Dorsey could play call better being he’s smart and played the position. To call the play and talk to Josh as a QB until the mic is off..... but I truly feel Dabolls days are numbered. He’s got a great system and scheme. Just don’t think he a good play caller and is not help Josh when he’s on the field. That’s what made Reich and Arians good OCs 

[BillsFan2313]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

That's not what he's saying at all. He's defending him for not throwing to Beasley because it was cover zero and he had to make a decision instantly.

 

Right, with the blitz coming from that side. He checked the blitz and liked Brown with one on one coverage. 

[BillsFanCRNA]

3 hours ago, stony said:

I like this. I admittedly know little about him. But I’m intrigued. 

Know this. He has taken a guy in Joe Burrow, who I would have sworn last year wouldn't be drafted before the 6th round and turned him in to the likely Heisman Trophy winner, top 10 draft pick this year. Joe Burrow has literally made MILLIONS of $$$ because of Brady.

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If Josh is so stupid to be sauntering back to a huddle with under 50 seconds and 1 TO, then forget about coaching. This kid might be as dumb as a bag of nails.  I've watched Buffalo Bills games for over 50 years and I've never seen what I saw yesterday with that huddle. I was angry and embarrassed all at the same time.

 

That huddle was the low water mark of the past 50 years?  You sure you're a Bills fan?  ?   

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

That's not what he's saying at all. He's defending him for not throwing to Beasley because it was cover zero and he had to make a decision instantly.

Allen also made the decision presnap to put John Brown into a  route that they haven't had success with all year. 

 

Allen has no concept of game situations. 

[CEN-CAL17]

3 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Ken Dorsey to the rescue as OC.

I’m curious about this as well if things go south. I like the system, I think there could be some minor tweaking. Could Dorsey call the play quickly and talk to Josh like a QB.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Buffalo media are such a bunch of cupcakes.

 

McDermott says little about getting Singletary the ball.  Then follow up and ask him why Singletary got single digit carries against the 30th ranked rush defense in the league.

 

Daboll: 8 in the box dictated.  What about a follow up?  Have they had 8 in the box against other teams?  Is it possible in football to take what you want, or do you always have to take what the defense gives you?

 

Ask some tough questions fergodssake.

I'm watching the 49ers still try to run the ball with 8 in the box. And succeed

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, the skycap said:

I'm watching the 49ers still try to run the ball with 8 in the box. And succeed

And play action.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

And play action.

Committing to run makes playaction effective. Singletary was avg 5 yds/carry

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

Committing to run makes playaction effective. Singletary was avg 5 yds/carry

We couldn't complete 3rd and shorts. To run the football you need to sustain drives. Allen was 2-9 converting 3rd and 4 or less. That's why we lost the game. That's why we didn't run more. 

[Buffbills123]

4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The offense is such a cluster f___. Unfortunately I don't ever see it getting better under McDermott. He has no idea what a good offensive coordinator looks like. 0 for 2. You don't get a third choice.

 

It’s not McDermott. It’s not Daboll. It’s the Quarterback. 

[RiotAct]

“it wasn’t our intention to huddle... we had to”

 

 

Huh???

[popcornpam]

1 hour ago, Iverwig said:

This is why Josh is making mistakes and the offense sucks. Coach McD is a brilliant defensive mind but it’s obvious he doesn’t get involved with the offensive game plan. For him to say “it wasn’t the plan to huddle , we had to” What the heck dies that mean? Don’t tell me Josh goes hurry up and then all of a sudden huddles up. That’s not on the players that’s on coaching. For him not to know why Singletary only has 8 carries and then say we need to do a better job of getting him the ball. Didn’t he say that a few weeks ago? This team is doomed this year. 

He’s not brilliant he let Cleveland go down with hardly any time left and score He is too  conservative and is afraid to blitz 

[Buffbills123]

4 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

 

I get the feeling the offensive coaches are babysitting Allen a bit too much.

 

 

2 hours ago, Mark92 said:

Pretty sure Dabol has been trying to stop " Bad Josh " from showing up.  You know, the guy who trys to make a play out of nothing and throws picks.  But at the same time "Good Josh " plays the same way.  It's a fine line and I think the bills need to let the reigns off of him a lot more.

 

This makes zero sense.  Throwing 41 times in a game, empty formations with 5 wide every offensive series, deep shots and JA designed runs called each game, and a lack of commitment to the running game are all signs of a lack of handcuffs. 

 

If anything, it has been the complete opposite. The coaching staff has let JA play too much and designed too many game plans around him and the passing attack. One could argue, less Josh equals more offensive success. 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

“it wasn’t our intention to huddle... we had to”

 

 

Huh???

I still don’t get it.

[LABILLBACKER]

56 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

That huddle was the low water mark of the past 50 years?  You sure you're a Bills fan?  ?   

 

I never said low water mark, but thanks for playing. 

[gobills1212]

5 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

The offense is such a cluster f___. Unfortunately I don't ever see it getting better under McDermott. He has no idea what a good offensive coordinator looks like. 0 for 2. You don't get a third choice.

I mean... (and for once i dont mean to be a snark) says who? Respectfully,  as you dont make those decisions IF he does it is what it is. Like it or love it, McD is here for a bit. This current iteration of the team is 110% him. If for no other reason than stability barring the apocalypse this coach was probably getting more time than the last few ninnies to come through here. At this point a small contingent of the fan base are the only ones who seem to have an issue. Things may not be great, but they are the best they have been since the 90s. Just bc fans think a plan takes 3 yrs doesnt mean ownership would break it off early before its come to fruition. This was supposed to be the 1st yr on the upswing, and, bumps and all it has been. Like i said in another thread - last offseason was getting the ingredients and building depth. Next offseason will be more the icing on the cake to fortify. If in 2 years we are still here then maybe theres an issue but thats a ways off.

[Turk71]

4 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

QB's are generally the one's making OC's look like dog****.

Daboll has looked like dog**** as an OC for 2 years in Cleveland, a year in Miami, and a year in KC, and this year in Buffalo, every NFL OC job he has had. 

[Turk71]

21 minutes ago, popcornpam said:

He’s not brilliant he let Cleveland go down with hardly any time left and score He is too  conservative and is afraid to blitz 

The D was so soft on that last drive it was embarrassing, no aggression or drive to finish them off. 

[Billever76]

4 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

QB's are generally the one's making OC's look like dog****.

 a 3 to 1 pass to run ratio can do that also???

4 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The D was so soft on that last drive it was embarrassing, no aggression or drive to finish them off. 

Fraziers bread and butter..only tightens in the redzones..he is perfectly content of giving up 10 yards at a time..as long as teams dont beat him with the bomb or busted play

3 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

 

 

We need to replace both coordinators...sadly i think we are stuck with the TAMPON 2

Edited November 12, 2019 by Billever76

[Cripple Creek]

56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We couldn't complete 3rd and shorts. To run the football you need to sustain drives. Allen was 2-9 converting 3rd and 4 or less. That's why we lost the game. That's why we didn't run more. 

Why didn't we run one of the times we had third and four and Daboll knew (hopefully) that they would go for it on fourth down?  

 

Why not have a RB in the backfield so that there is at least the threat of a run?

 

Why, if a defense, after nine games is giving up an average of 5 YPC, can you not run the ball on third down?

 

You see the problem with your argument, don't you?  If you run more perhaps you convert some of those third downs.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Cripple Creek said:

Why didn't we run one of the times we had third and four and Daboll knew (hopefully) that they would go for it on fourth down?  

 

Why not have a RB in the backfield so that there is at least the threat of a run?

 

Why, if a defense, after nine games is giving up an average of 5 YPC, can you not run the ball on third down?

 

You see the problem with your argument, don't you?  If you run more perhaps you convert some of those third downs.

Why don't we run on 3rd and 4 more? I don't understand this place. We're all over. Josh needs to step up and make plays.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen also made the decision presnap to put John Brown into a  route that they haven't had success with all year. 

 

Allen has no concept of game situations. 

 

Incorrect.  Daboll pointed out that it was a similar play used to score Brown's TD against the Jets. 

[Cripple Creek]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Why don't we run on 3rd and 4 more? I don't understand this place. We're all over. Josh needs to step up and make plays.

Seriously? You can't do it even once against the 30th run defense, Brian?  You can't do it when you know you will go for it on fourth down? 

 

Tell me about 8 in the box.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, the skycap said:

I'm watching the 49ers still try to run the ball with 8 in the box. And succeed

 

Yes.  It can be done.

 

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

“it wasn’t our intention to huddle... we had to”

Huh???

 

What's not to understand? 

 

The clock was running because Singletary was tackled in-bounds.  There was some "operational issue" (McDermott's vague term) , impression from Daboll communicating what he felt was the best play and Allen communicating to the offense. 

 

In hindsight, they should have called time-out.  They should also coach Singletary to get OOB if he possibly can.  Hopefully will better prepare for this situation in future, but at the time McDermott felt the last time out should be saved to ensure time to kick.  That's what his analytics told him, per presser.

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We agree here.  Let the kid play.

 

And if you have a HC saying the plan is no time out and his OC saying they called one, then McD and Daboll better sit down and work that stuff out.

I disagree.  They are letting Allen play.  They’re running the ball enough to consistently get 8 in the box and then asking him to make plays. He’s just not making enough despite having some favorable coverage situations.  I don’t know how much more the coaching staff could be doing for him on gameday.  

 

I do agree that the huddle/no TO mistake is unacceptable.  That needs worked out yesterday. 
 

I was at the game and haven’t rewatched it yet so I’ll double check what I think I saw, but Cleveland sure looked to be taking the run away and daring Allen to beat them.