Jason Whitlock may be on to something..

[TigerJ]

The positive contributions that Christianity brings to coaching football are primarily love (for players as human beings) and modeling a commitment to something bigger than oneself.  Of course, not everyone who calls himself/herself a Christian genuinely lives out those qualities, but it can be a pretty powerful influence from one who does model it genuinely.  Can you bring those qualities to coaching without being a Christian?  Sure, but Christianity has everything laid out pretty well.  Is being a Christian a guarantee that you'll be a good coach?  Hardly.  You need other things as well, but caring about your players, modeling love and compassion and commitment to something greater than oneself is never a bad thing.  It will always enhance the culture of a team.

[Spiderweb]

5 hours ago, stuvian said:

At least this charlatan has a nice toupe. Fleece the flock then off to hair club for men....

[Pasaluki]

4 hours ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

If winning is the end goal, would you say that Bill Belichick has the strongest faith for building a football culture?

 

I know this is meant to be sarcastic, but in a sense yes. 

 

The Patriot's faith is very intensely focused in the system that Belichick created. Deviance from it is not tolerated even from elite players. They suppress individuality, and are willing to sacrifice players at any time. The Patriots are almost cult-like. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 hours ago, yungmack said:

I have to ask, Which faith? Even among Christians there are deep and profound differences about what "Christian" means. For example, the different rules and dogmas about divorce, homosexuality and even having ordained clergy. 

 

1) its not clear you have to ask

2) I purposely avoided being specific and offered a concept of adhering to your beliefs, that is independent from the specific belief set.   My only point is that you being a solid participant in your faith means sticking to it.  If you are  seventh day adventist one day, a jehovah witness the next day, a mormom the following day, and Orthodox Christian, Catholic or Protestent Christian the following days, I don't think you are a very strong member of that system. 

[K-9]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

What makes football great is a lot of different people from a lot of different backgrounds become brothers.  

I’d say the same about most shared experiences in pursuit of a common cause.

[offsides#76FredSmerlas]

5 hours ago, K-9 said:

That’s lucky for Marv then, because he’s Jewish.

Jewish people believe in God?  lol  I can show you many quotes where he talks about God.  Some people will try real hard to make others look bad, funny....

4 hours ago, stony said:

Damn, I didn't know that.  Makes sense why he could never throw a spiral.  

I bet he threw more spirals in the NFL than you did.

[Nextmanup]

If NFL football is all about Christian conservatism, I may have to stop watching entirely.

 

[eball]

6 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Game. Set. Match.  

 

Is there some sort of competition going on here?  Odd post.

[K-9]

47 minutes ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said:

Jewish people believe in God?  lol  I can show you many quotes where he talks about God.  Some people will try real hard to make others look bad, funny....

My post was a joke, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Do you think I was “trying real hard” to make you look bad? 

[Tcali]

5 hours ago, 416BillsFan said:

I refer to Taysom Hill as "Tim Tebow who knows his place"

u got it

[Tcali]

8 hours ago, GG said:

He was always a fun watch back in the day

that he was....that accent was priceless

8 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Right. When I said talent it should have obvious I was referring QB. I always thought it was funny that for a guy who said he loves football  that he thought that he was too good to play any other position.

i agree--that was very strange. cuz everyone but him knew that he was a good runner and good football player but had a pathetic arm

[Big Blitz]

Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist.....doesn't matter.

 

Certainly depending on your players it helps; chances are good 90 percent of your players are Christian.  It's just makes you relatable.  This does not mean it's a prerequisite to coach.

 

But whatever your faith, if you are just a genuine humble individual you will succeed.  

 

Humble - you don't think you are at the center of the universe. 

 

You can have all sorts of varying personalities or style or religious belief; but if that is genuinely in your core, and you know how to lead and motivate; people will run thru a wall for you.  

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

I don't always agree with Whitlock but he might have just sealed it for me that McDermott is the coach to lead us to the top and Whitlock doesn't even know it.

Listen at the 11:10 mark if the video is not coded at that mark.Mark Schlereth took it home. All I could think of was McDermott. I think they are right.

 

 #Keepthefaith

 

So I don't think it has anything to do with faith. But I have been saying on here since before we hired Marrone..... go get the best leader of men you can find. Don't obsess on Xs and Os. 

 

McDermott is a leader who inspires and brings people together. It shows up on the field in so many of those close games. He happens to be an excellent defensive coach too but that is the bonus. The real value is who he is. 

[Reed83HOF]

10 hours ago, K-9 said:

So atheists can’t be good coaches? 

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

Haha. Not my intent at all.
 

I wonder, though, if a religious fundamentalist would have an issue playing for a coach who is atheist. 

[Reed83HOF]

14 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Haha. Not my intent at all.
 

I wonder, though, if a religious fundamentalist would have an issue playing for a coach who is atheist. 

I almost went with a duck & cover grenade one, but this seemed more fitting...

 

Now that is an interesting thought...I have to contemplate that for a bit. I think it overall depends on both people and how well that can set differences aside to achieve a common goal.

 

Edit: I think it would be comparable to let's say Mason Rudolph (MAGA) and the rest of his non-MAGA teammates. How, as a close knit team who is supposed to believe in each other and have each others backs, basically being brothers, overcome political and religious divides to put those beliefs and feelings aside? I think some people are able to do that and others are unable to.

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I almost went with a duck & cover grenade one, but this seemed more fitting...

 

Now that is an interesting thought...I have to contemplate that for a bit. I think it overall depends on both people and how well that can set differences aside to achieve a common goal.

 

Edit: I think it would be comparable to let's say Mason Rudolph (MAGA) and the rest of his non-MAGA teammates. How, as a close knit team who is supposed to believe in each other and have each others backs, basically being brothers, overcome political and religious divides to put those beliefs and feelings aside? I think some people are able to do that and others are unable to.

 

Well, if you’re not able to put those feelings aside, you’re in for a lot of rough patches in this world. 

[Elite Poster]

The winningest team in NFL history has been caught cheating multiple times and their owner is on video getting a BJ from sex slaves.

 

Am I supposed to take this feel good bait? 

[CLTbills]

On 11/6/2019 at 7:41 AM, eball said:

Forget about religion.  Schlereth hit the nail on the head.  When the players believe that the coach truly cares about them, you have a true leader.  Religion or "faith" is just a vehicle.

 

And yes, I believe McD is such a coach.

This.

 

It's not necessarily about the religion, but it's a trait or characteristic that many people of faith possess. The point is, there isn't a player in Buffalo's locker room that wouldn't run through a brick wall for their brothers in that locker room, including their coaches.

[Captain Hindsight]

14 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

This.

 

It's not necessarily about the religion, but it's a trait or characteristic that many people of faith possess. The point is, there isn't a player in Buffalo's locker room that wouldn't run through a brick wall for their brothers in that locker room, including their coaches.

Yup. Give me a coach who is a leader. X and O's are important sure, but who is delivering that message is perhaps more important.

 

I've worked in two vastly different offices. Both have required me to put in extra hours in order to meet our goals. One boss told me "***** rolls downhill so I'll need you to come in Saturday" The other said "I really appreciate you putting in the extra work to get this done. It means a lot to me and the organization"

 

Guess who I was more willing to work harder for?

[Mr. WEO]

On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 7:40 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Religion is one of mankind’s oldest ways to unite, galvanize and Sheppard people.

 

Religious people by definition are willing to put their faith and belief in something (that no matter what you belive isn’t easy to prove) and those same people allow the rules of that construct dictate their habits and lives. That probably coincides with very coachable team oriented personalities. 

 

 

 

.....until they want to get a little on the side.

 

Spare us...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

.....until they want to get a little on the side.

 

Spare us...

 

From?

Edited November 7, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Bing Bong]

So the heathens don't win as much as people of faith. Absolute nuclear take.

 

Jason Whitlock throws so many turds at the wall to see what sticks. This is the same guy that questioned LeBron's leadership because he was an only child. The man applies the dumbest Fruedian psychology to explain purely sports intangibles.

 

I strongly disagree with this  clip especially lol. Sure there's something to organized religion that applies to organized sport. I believe that's the organization in both words.

Edited November 7, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[nedboy7]

All I know is whatever god you believe in, he or she created this planet and mankind is taking a giant ***** on it.  Good luck in the next life. 

[Bing Bong]

4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

All I know is whatever god you believe in, he or she created this planet and mankind is taking a giant ***** on it.  Good luck in the next life. 

This doesn't quite explain Nathan PeterGOAT

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

From?

 

The notion that "religious people"'s lives and habits are dictated by the constructs of their particular religion. 

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The notion that "religious people"'s lives and habits are dictated by the constructs of their particular religion. 

Everyone's lives are constructed on the basis of some kind of faith. It's epistemologically unavoidable.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The notion that "religious people"'s lives and habits are dictated by the constructs of their particular religion. 

 

I’m thinking you haven’t ever met any ‘religious people’? 

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Everyone's lives are constructed on the basis of some kind of faith. It's epistemologically unavoidable.

 

Word of the week there. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I’m thinking you haven’t ever met any ‘religious people’? 

 

Plenty.  Raised Catholic.

 

Being "religious" is not a requirement for living as a good person, and not being religious does not preclude one from it.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

On 11/6/2019 at 6:39 AM, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

faith .. you said it was all about faith.

 

Next question Who's FAITH?     Christian?  Conservative? Baptist?  Muslim?  

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Plenty.  Raised Catholic.

 

Being "religious" is not a requirement for living as a good person, and not being religious does not preclude one from it.

 

 

 

That wasn’t my point at all.

 

I was actually pointing towards the fact that religious people are very often willing to do ritualistic/prescribed things or abide by certain rules (at least Attempt to) for no other reason than ‘that’s what they say you’re supposed to do’, or because you believe in the same thing as the authority figure telling you what to do or your life isn’t really your own and your path is preordained. 

 

It has has nothing to do with good or bad people, not even close. 

 

I avoided delving into my opinion of organized religion because it is highly offensive to some. 

 

My point is, religious players of similar faith put together, led by the same, are probably much easier to unite, lead and keep aligned- which is why I agree with Whitlock’s premise. 

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[whatdrought]

Well, this thread is exactly what I expected... 

 

I think he was trying to say find good, hard working guys who love football, have their ***** together, and care about their players. Whether or not that group cross references as clearly with the Christian Conservative group as he implied is probably a matter for a statistician. That being said, there is definitely something for discipline, and dare I say culture. I don't think you have to have any certain faith or political leaning to achieve that, but that's going to be built on the coaches internal compass. However, it's no small thing that many (most really) religions have discipline and "right behavior/being a good person" built into their ethos which can lead to a natural correlation between those who practice those religions and the presence of those positive character traits.

 

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

That wasn’t my point at all.

 

I was actually pointing towards the fact that religious people are very often willing to do ritualistic/prescribed things or abide by certain rules (at least Attempt to) for no other reason than ‘that’s what they say you’re supposed to do’, or because you believe in the same thing as the authority figure telling you what to do or your life isn’t really your own and your path is preordained. 

 

It has has nothing to do with good or bad people, not even close. 

 

I avoided delving into my opinion of organized religion because it is highly offensive to some. 

 

My point is, religious players of similar faith put together, led by the same, are probably much easier to unite, lead and keep aligned- which is why I agree with Whitlock’s premise. 

 

 

 

 

His premise is nonsense.  You trust your coach or you don't.  When a team is winning, everything is easy.  If a spiritual or religious HC is helming a moribund or losing team, players don't care about what the coach's rituals and rules tell them they are supposed to do.

 

These are guys playing a game for lots of money.  If things are going well, all is good--everyone loves everyone.  When that stops.......

[BigDingus]

How "Conservative" and Christian is Bill Belichick?

He doesn't exactly strike me as a conservative Christian coach trying to inspire people. In fact, I think his pact with Satan is framed in the Pats locker room where they sacrifice goats, virgins and virgin goats before each game.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

His premise is nonsense.  You trust your coach or you don't.  When a team is winning, everything is easy.  If a spiritual or religious HC is helming a moribund or losing team, players don't care about what the coach's rituals and rules tell them they are supposed to do.

 

These are guys playing a game for lots of money.  If things are going well, all is good--everyone loves everyone.  When that stops.......

Whitlock jumped the shark a long time ago.  He was fired by espn after he was the head of their website which was supposed to be the black Grantland.  Now he goes to Fox and the guy who loves strip clubs is all about Christian values.  He is a panderer which gets some people paid so good for him. But it is completely meaningless.