Sweats Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Zay’s playing checkers when the rest of the league is playing chess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: You're right, he has more speed than woods. But can't catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Worst WR to start for the Bills in my memory. But, other than that, he's a fine young man... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Just a below average reciever. Does nothing well. Bust of a 2nd round pick who wouldn't be starting on any other NFL team. Hoping they make a trade for a Diggs or Green before the deadline but don't expect it. I saw the Diggs thread. I just got to ask. Why would a team that has SB aspirations trade a really good wr? I’d love Diggs, I just don’t get why it makes sense for Minny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dr. K said: The Zay hate is pathological. For previous examples, consult the Stephen Gilmour hate of years past. Tell me what has Zay done to NOT warrant the hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, FiftyPercent said: But can't catch. Can't catch from bad QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, FiftyPercent said: He failed at that too. JuJu would have overpowered his brother and jumped out of the window and landed on his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Survey says: Zay Jones and some of them will call for Foster who........ isn't even good enough to be playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Can't catch from bad QBs. I think it's more that his insane father taught him how to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: Can't catch from bad QBs. Yet Knox made a contested catch at the end of the first half and Smoke made one with Gilmore all over him. When was the last time Jones made a similar catch? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dr. K said: The Zay hate is pathological. For previous examples, consult the Stephen Gilmour hate of years past. Gilmore was a top 10 lock at CB for most of the duration of his time here. Zay has looked fringe roster material since he has arrived. No development and he has honestly regressed since last years “breakout” (56 receptions, 7 tds, 652 yards on 102!!!!! Targets is not good) Zay has earned his criticisms. He isn’t good enough simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Ta111 said: Yet Knox made a contested catch at the end of the first half and Smoke made one with Gilmore all over him. When was the last time Jones made a similar catch? Hmm, I'm thinking, never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: Can't catch from bad QBs. I seriously doubt Jones could catch a cold at this point. Medical researchers need to study him as defensive coordinators sure don't have to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Doom Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: Worst WR to start for the Bills in my memory. But, other than that, he's a fine young man... Is he better/worse than James Hardy? Serious question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ta111 said: Yet Knox made a contested catch at the end of the first half and Smoke made one with Gilmore all over him. When was the last time Jones made a similar catch? ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Virgil said: Can someone please tell me what Zay did, or didn’t do, yesterday to call for the hate? I see people saying cut him immediately. I can’t remember a play with him where I thought he was the reason we sucked. The guy isn’t even out there that much. Overall, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and physical traits, but I don’t see how yesterday was the deal breaker. What am I missing? apparently because Josh Allen is the more "favored child." Due to this, Zay gets blamed for not catching the wildly inaccurate passes that Allen throws to him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: I didn't hate Gilmour, I just thought he gave up on plays and should have been better when her was here The drumbeat of "Gilmour sucks!" and "He's a bust!" and "He takes plays off" and "He can't tackle" and "He's the worst cornerback in the league" was deafening. This is part of Bills fan displacement syndrome. There's always a scapegoat, one player the fans focus on whom to unload all their frustrations. There's usually enough truth in their accusations to keep the pot boiling, but at least 75% of their bitching is displacement. The other players on the team should be glad that Zay is on the squad. The minute he is gone it will be someone else's turn in the barrel. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ta111 said: Yet Knox made a contested catch at the end of the first half and Smoke made one with Gilmore all over him. When was the last time Jones made a similar catch? The fact that Knox and Jones (the #1 QB and TE's) made amazing catches does not make Zay bad. No team is full of #1 WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He is the worst player in the nfl at any position. Prove me wrong. Prove he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Virgil said: Can someone please tell me what Zay did, or didn’t do, yesterday to call for the hate? I see people saying cut him immediately. I can’t remember a play with him where I thought he was the reason we sucked. The guy isn’t even out there that much. Overall, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and physical traits, but I don’t see how yesterday was the deal breaker. What am I missing? What you are missing Is that he is an average WR on his very best day, has mediocre hands, and has an established history of dropping passes, no real capacity to bring down a contested catch, does not present himself to be a useful target, he is a jag and needs to be a# 4 or 5 option, not # 3, and is not really worth defending. Zay is just not that good. We have all watched him be kinda sucky most of the time. I could go on, but I suspect you get my point. Zay is likely a good guy, but so was JPL. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, RyanC883 said: apparently because Josh Allen is the more "favored child." Due to this, Zay gets blamed for not catching the wildly inaccurate passes that Allen throws to him. I don’t understand why people keep bringing this up when other receivers can make tough catches from these “wildly inaccurate” passers. He just doesn’t seem to be able to fight through tough coverage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr Doom said: Is he better/worse than James Hardy? Serious question. Much worse. Hardy was a basketball player with limited time at WR who had good red zone jump ball skills. Couldn't run routes, much like Zay, but he over achieved given his limited football background... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t hate the guy. He belongs on a nfl roster. But when you trade up for a guy in the 2nd and pass on JuJu and Cooper Kupp, it looks terrible to see how unproductive Zay is. He has no elite skills. He is a dime a dozen NFL receiver who was drafted by us because his college coach was on the Bills. Does he really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: You're right, he has more speed than woods. Dude stop it. Zay Jones isn’t in the same stratosphere as RWoods. He just put up 1.2k yards last year. And they are truly night and day different players. Woods makes all tough contested catches over the middle. Runs all the routes. Catches the deep ball. Extremely good downfield blocker(look at all shady’s big runs from 15/16 who was leading the way) He was the perfect #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He's just okay in pretty much every area. He's a #4 level WR. He belongs on an NFL roster but not someone that's going to be an integral piece to an offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Ta111 said: I don’t understand why people keep bringing this up when other receivers can make tough catches from these “wildly inaccurate” passers. He just doesn’t seem to be able to fight through tough coverage. who? Cole Beasley missed a wildly inaccurate pass yesterday. Brown has missed wildly inaccurate Allen passes as well. The fact that Brown gets more targets gives him more opportunity to make the one "wow" catch he made all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr. K said: The drumbeat of "Gilmour sucks!" and "He's a bust!" and "He takes plays off" and "He can't tackle" and "He's the worst cornerback in the league" was deafening. This is part of Bills fan displacement syndrome. There's always a scapegoat, one player the fans focus on whom to unload all their frustrations. There's usually enough truth in their accusations to keep the pot boiling, but at least 75% of their bitching is displacement. The other players on the team should be glad that Zay is on the squad. The minute he is gone it will be someone else's turn in the barrel. God, it was so embarrassing. Fans were still bitter because he didn’t smile when he got drafted (he never smiles). They laugh at NE for giving him that money and he’s the best cb in the nfl. theres a world where the Bills keep Gilmore, draft Mahomes and JuJu/ Kupp, without giving up picks to trade up. Oh well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Why do we hate Zay? Because he is being treated differently because he was drafted by McD. He is a terrible WR and if he was not drafted by McD he would not be playing. He makes almost no plays. Watkins made plays for this team but is shipped out. Zay has had chances to make plays and he fails routinely. Same goes for Murphy. He is terrible and overpriced yet he gets more playing time than Lawson. For the record, I have no issue with the noncatch in the end zone. The ball was too high and he was hit from behind. Near impossible catch. The two interceptions he could have broken up are a different story. If you suck you can at least give maximum effort. He didn’t. Just look at the one handed catch by Brown. That is the type of plays a NFL receiver needs to make from time to time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: I can’t bring myself to go back and watch the highlights yet. The high throw was really high and barely hit his fingertips if I recall. I also think he was in full stride on both INTs and coming back for the ball wasn’t really possible. But, I’ll look at it again....in about 20 years when the anger leaves me I’d probably have to see those first hand again to be sure, but that’s what some of the talking heads are mentioning and it passed the eye test when I saw it in game. I don’t know about the endzone throw. It may have been a great catch if he made it, but part of the flack with Zay is that he’s never made a great catch in key moments, even when given a chance to. As far as the deep shots, it seems like the DB also was running opposite the throw but tracked back, while Zay didn’t. Again, I’ll have to see the tape. either way, Zay has been disappointing and others have shown more with the few opportunities, which begs the question why he gets so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I don't hate Jones, but I feel in his third year he isn't stepping up much...I'd be ok with him as WR 4 or 5 when they get a WR 1 next year...Jones played 62 snaps had 8 targets and only caught 2 passes for 4 yards...would have liked to see more McKenzie in there - he only got 1 rep...need more Knox tho also - 54 snaps 3/3 58 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: But being completely honest has Zay had a QB who throws like an NFL QB? The QBs he's played with make you make tough catches every play. Speed and angle and location are important. BTW I should get off this because last time I stood up for Zay I got a ban. John Brown and Cole Beasley do pretty well. I’m not gonna argue that QB play has been good, but there seems to be a disparity between him and the other WR’s on the field. I very much doubt you got banned for defending Zay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Virgil said: Can someone please tell me what Zay did, or didn’t do, yesterday to call for the hate? I see people saying cut him immediately. I can’t remember a play with him where I thought he was the reason we sucked. The guy isn’t even out there that much. Overall, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and physical traits, but I don’t see how yesterday was the deal breaker. What am I missing? Are you kidding me? What are you missing? He was targeted eight times yesterday and caught two passes on top of that he dropped another game-winning pass on a fourth down in the end zone. He needs to be benched traded or released he's worthless and cannot catch anything and hasn't caught anything meaningful in 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: he does NOTHING, and has terrible hands. Thats the point I agree and would like to add that his route running is absolutely horrid. He is a good blocking WR but that's about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Ta111 said: Yet Knox made a contested catch at the end of the first half and Smoke made one with Gilmore all over him. When was the last time Jones made a similar catch? You don't even understand that's the issue. Everyone has to make all world catches. 9 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said: Dude stop it. Zay Jones isn’t in the same stratosphere as RWoods. He just put up 1.2k yards last year. And they are truly night and day different players. Woods makes all tough contested catches over the middle. Runs all the routes. Catches the deep ball. Extremely good downfield blocker(look at all shady’s big runs from 15/16 who was leading the way) He was the perfect #2. And the fans here hated him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He has had many chances to make a difference and continuously comes up small. I think it's time to give someone else a chance. If there is someone else deserving I have to believe the coaches have seen enough to give that person a chance NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I don't hate Zay Jones. He just shouldn't be running patterns greater than 10 yards is all. Short, quick slants is all he should get. Zay is not a long ball receiver. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He was advertised as having the best hands of the 2017 WR class. Not sure in what activity, because it's definitely not in football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: John Brown and Cole Beasley do pretty well. I’m not gonna argue that QB play has been good, but there seems to be a disparity between him and the other WR’s on the field. I very much doubt you got banned for defending Zay. I got banned for this chain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Who is this Zay you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'm willing to give Zay next week with Barkley if Allen is out to give my final opinion. Right now it's pretty damn low though. He was 8rec for 93 and a TD last time they played a full game together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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