Make the trade for Stephon Diggs

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I was only talking prospect, which is what we were discussing. Wilson has it all. He has great technique, footwork, ball-handling, running, scrambling, can throw accurately running to either side with tremendous velocity, was smart (learned the Wisconsin offense in two weeks), etc. Virtually everything you want in a prospect he had in spades. Except height. Everyone including the Seahawks thought his height would affect his play in the NFL to some degree, and everyone was obviously wrong. Everything else he has in spades.

 

exactly.  and it still puzzles me we did not draft him.  Brees and others (including Flutie when on Bills)  had already proven that with the other stuff height wont hold you back. 

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

exactly.  and it still puzzles me we did not draft him.  Brees and others (including Flutie when on Bills)  had already proven that with the other stuff height wont hold you back. 

Because our GM was an idiot.

[RyanC883]

So, what will it take to get Diggs??

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I love watching Wilson, too, but he was a WAY better prospect than Mahomes. He did everything well except grow. I agree with you about the streetball idea, although Mahomes may be an abberration.

 

 

I don't know where you get this...........Wilson was considered too small and hadn't even been a pro prospect until his senior year.   He was a sub 60% passer for his first 3 seasons at NC State and wasn't exactly making up for it with big plays.    He made a big leap as a senior but he would have been lucky to be drafted at all if he declared after his junior year.

[atlbillsfan1975]

42 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

So, what will it take to get Diggs??

I don’t think it’s happening. A team would have to make Minnie an offer they couldn’t refuse like two very high draft picks.  

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I was only talking prospect, which is what we were discussing. Wilson has it all. He has great technique, footwork, ball-handling, running, scrambling, can throw accurately running to either side with tremendous velocity, was smart (learned the Wisconsin offense in two weeks), etc. Virtually everything you want in a prospect he had in spades. Except height. Everyone including the Seahawks thought his height would affect his play in the NFL to some degree, and everyone was obviously wrong. Everything else he has in spades.

Yes.  Wilson had "it" and it was obvious.  If he were three inches taller he'd have been picked top 5.

[JoPar_v2]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

So, what will it take to get Diggs??

Probably a 1st and a 2nd round pick, at least.

[LikeIGiveADarn]

6 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Probably a 1st and a 2nd round pick, at least.

2nd and 4th for Diggs. 3rd, Zay and Shaq for AJ Green. Get it done Beane!!

Edited October 5, 2019 by LikeIGiveADarn

[billsbackto81]

54 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Probably a 1st and a 2nd round pick, at least.

He's good but not worth that type of compensation especially with his current contract. 

[Alphadawg7]

6 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

 

From 2000 to 2005, you would have been crazy to suggest Brady over Manning. 2005 to present? Not so much.

 

For me, Manning is easily an all time great, but he also is over rated a bit within those all time rankings because he wasn't as good in the post season as he was in the regular season.  

 

9 times with the Colts he was the #1 seed in the AFC and didn't win a playoff game...thats an NFL record by the way.  He had the greatest offense in NFL history with the Broncos and got blown out by a defensive and run oriented Seahawk team in the Super Bowl too.  

 

I have long stated the following: 

Brady > Manning

Warner > Manning

 

I would take Kurt Warner in a heartbeat over Peyton Manning in the playoffs.  Peyton Manning was king of the regular season and a then not as good in the post season (see A-Rod in MLB) while Kurt Warner not only was a stud and HOF level QB during the regular season, but he was hands down one of the best ever in the Post Season.  

[JoPar_v2]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

He's good but not worth that type of compensation especially with his current contract. 

I’m not saying he’s worth that, just saying what they’d probably be asking.

[Dopey]

I don't think they should or will let either go. Last year, minny got a new toy in cousins and threw way too much. With cousins at the helm it blew up in there face. 8-7 record when they had sb aspirations. Cousins isn't as good as minny thought he was. I've only watched 1 of their games and they seem to be running more. Those wrs were loving the touches last year, but it appears minny doesn't want cousins throwing 40-50 times a game. And the wr are frustrated, most would be after last year. He's on pace for a little over 2900 yds after almost 4300 last yr. Not good, but minny needs those 2 and would be foolish to get rid of either just cuz they're crying like little *****. Minny's a good team and their window is now. They have a really good d, a great rb, stacked at wr and have a really good te. Cousins needs to play better. If they go on a winning streak. I think those 2 quiet down a bit. Their only 1 game out in their division. If I'm management, no way do I let either go. This isn't the same situation as the phins.

[dave mcbride]

16 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

WAY better. Wilson was a better version of what he does now in college. He was better as a senior than RGIII who was said to have one of the best seasons of all time that same year. He did everything textbook, he was just short, his ONLY fault and the only reason he wasn't taken at the very top. You like stats so much. Mahomes averaged 8.5 per attempt, Wilson 10.3. Wilson threw 33 TDs and 4 INTs. Mahomes had a 157 rating and Wilson's was 192. Mahomes completed 67% and Wilson 73%.

See my point above about talent levels in the two programs. Wisconsin was (and is) a powerhouse — 6 players drafted in the year Wilson came out (2012 draft): a first rounder, a second rounder, a third rounder (Wilson), a fourth, a fifth, and a sixth. They won the big 10 conference championship every year from 2010-2012 (Wilson played there in 2011).  

 

The year Mahomes was drafted, he was the only Tech player drafted and they went 5-7 because they had the worst defense in the nation.

 

Regardless, Wilson should have been a first round pick, and if he came out in the last couple of years, he would have been a top-five pick given what we know now about Mahomes, Murray, Mayfield, and Wilson himself. 

Edited October 5, 2019 by dave mcbride

[JoPar_v2]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

See my point above about talent levels in the two programs. Wisconsin was (and is) a powerhouse — 6 players drafted in the year Wilson came out (2012 draft): a first rounder, a second rounder, a third rounder (Wilson), a fourth, a fifth, and a sixth. They won the big 10 conference championship every year from 2010-2012 (Wilson played there in 2011).  

 

The year Mahomes was drafted, he was the only Tech player drafted and they went 5-7 because they had the worst defense in the nation.

 

Regardless, Wilson should have been a first round pick, and if he came out in the last couple of years, he would have been a top-five pick given what we know now about Mahomes, Murray, Mayfield, and Wilson himself. 

I don’t think the fact he played at Wisc was the primary reason - people thought he was too short. And those people are dumb.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I don’t think the fact he played at Wisc was the primary reason - people thought he was too short. And those people are dumb.

KtD is bringing up stats in an attempt to show he was a better prospect than Mahomes, which is why I’m bringing the larger context in.

Edited October 5, 2019 by dave mcbride

[DuckyBoys]

Lot of teams whiffed on Wilson  Short qbs rarely are able to figure out a way to succeed in the NFL.  Mahomes thing is old.  People have been stumping for the Bills to draft various qbs for the past 20 years Most of them not only didnt pan out but were terrible.  I seem to remember people going ga ga over Brady Quinn and Jake Locker.  We got Allen , happy to have him and lets see where we are by end of 2020.  Back onto Stefon Diggs, next years FA wr class kind of sucks.  Filling a void before the next off season seems prudent to me. Less holes we have the more focused Beane can be to not get distracted an reach for players from need.   Depending on compensation he's worth a kick of the tires as is Green.

[Kelly the Dog]

54 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

KtD is bringing up stats in an attempt to show he was a better prospect than Mahomes, which is why I’m bringing the larger context in.

That wasn’t my main point. I brought up those stats because you’re a big stat guy. The reason he was so good a prospect is because everything the scouts look for he excelled at. Except size. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 9/29/2019 at 4:56 PM, mattynh said:

Diggs will not all of a sudden make Allen make better decisions.  I know you dont agree but Diggs will have no noticeable impact on this offense.

 

I think I agree. The guy that would probably make a bigger impact would be Emanuel Sanders. It would be like having two John Browns running around out there.  I would kick the tires on Sanders. 

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Lot of teams whiffed on Wilson  Short qbs rarely are able to figure out a way to succeed in the NFL.  Mahomes thing is old.  People have been stumping for the Bills to draft various qbs for the past 20 years Most of them not only didnt pan out but were terrible.  I seem to remember people going ga ga over Brady Quinn and Jake Locker.  We got Allen , happy to have him and lets see where we are by end of 2020.  Back onto Stefon Diggs, next years FA wr class kind of sucks.  Filling a void before the next off season seems prudent to me. Less holes we have the more focused Beane can be to not get distracted an reach for players from need.   Depending on compensation he's worth a kick of the tires as is Green.

 

Josh Allen is the first QB that the moribund Bills franchise has traded up from their first pick to draft or even just selected with their original first pick in round one since 1960.

 

Let's not pretend that anything close to adequate effort was made to address the QB position.

 

People were right to be stumping for QB's.......in 2017 the Bills had just 2 of their first round picks on the roster to show for 17 years of missing the playoffs.........and yet went 9-7......further proving that first round picks are an over rated method of acquiring talent and ones not used on QB's are generally of negligible value in the big picture of franchise success.

 

That being the case.........taking shots on the QB position in round 1 and risking failure is the smarter choice than renting a defensive player for 4-5 years..........which is what McD chose to do.

 

Hopefully it works out but you don't put off addressing the QB position even if that means doing something like Arizona did last year...........a great QB is worth a mountain of first round picks.

Edited October 5, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Josh Allen is the first QB that the moribund Bills franchise has traded up from their first pick to draft or even just selected with their original first pick in round one since 1960.

 

Let's not pretend that anything close to adequate effort was made to address the QB position.

 

People were right to be stumping for QB's.......in 2017 the Bills had just 2 of their first round picks on the roster to show for 17 years of missing the playoffs.........and yet went 9-7......further proving that first round picks are an over rated method of acquiring talent and ones not used on QB's are generally of negligible value in the big picture of franchise success.

 

That being the case.........taking shots on the QB position in round 1 and risking failure is the smarter choice than renting a defensive player for 4-5 years..........which is what McD chose to do.

 

Hopefully it works out but you don't put off addressing the QB position even if that means doing something like Arizona did last year...........a great QB is worth a mountain of first round picks.

You are correct  My point was drafting qbs is potluck  Mahomes may indeed be great but nobody could have predicted that a 100%.  Just sick of hearing about mahomes. he's a Chief we have Allen time to let that dog lie

[Locomark]

The difference between Diggs/Green and sitting pat is that no one has to respect the outside of the field that is opposite John Brown now. If we want to be serious contenders and want to open the seams or stop letting people cheat safeties toward Brown we need someone on the other side who scares people. Green is higher risk because of the injury but has higher ability and will come at a cheaper price and can be a rental if he doesn't work out. Diggs is a risk because of attitude, what they are likely wanting for him, and if he flubs you are stuck with some contract term. He is however locked in at a reasonable price for a productive NFL wideout. Right now we need to look at KC as the standard bearer and say is there ever enough weapons? The answer is always no. Promoting Duke Williams vs signing a proven WR is not making us a contender, its accepting that we may make the playoffs but that we don't seriously believe we can win much when we get there IMO.

[njbuff]

For debate sake............

 

if it’s not a WR the Bills are after and if it’s Trent Williams..............

 

Can Williams play RT, cause they won’t be moving Dawkins over to RT mid season. Would they?

 

After all, if the Bills actually acquired an 8-time all pro LT, Dawkins probably doesn’t have a say in the matter and might have to slide over to the right side. Thank 

Edited October 5, 2019 by njbuff

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Probably a 1st and a 2nd round pick, at least.

 

....and according to the TBD'ers who are well versed in collegiate ball, the 2020 WR class is "the best in years"......no way McBeane coughs up a 1st or 2nd IMO......

[Virgil]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....and according to the TBD'ers who are well versed in collegiate ball, the 2020 WR class is "the best in years"......no way McBeane coughs up a 1st or 2nd IMO......

I’d rather lose a pick and get a proven player on a decent contract that roll the dice with a rookie 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Virgil said:

I’d rather lose a pick and get a proven player on a decent contract that roll the dice with a rookie 

 

.....what do you think is McBeane's style though?......I just see him as "pick(s) protective"........

[Locomark]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....what do you think is McBeane's style though?......I just see him as "pick(s) protective"........

I see him as "win a championship protective."  That means there will be a time where he will start to go for it and not do what he did to build the team.  I just think in his mind that is probably next year or the year after with all the $ we have.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Locomark

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I see him as "win a championship protective."  That means there will be a time where he will start to go for it and not do what he did to build the team.  I just think in his mind that is probably next year or the year after with all the $ we have.

 

...very fair assessment IMO........he picks and chooses his "spots"...and so far so good.....

[SteveFreeman22]

On 10/3/2019 at 2:14 PM, whatdrought said:

 

And then we used a first round pick to draft him. You still only get the one player for that pick.

 

2014 1st rounder  + 2015 first rounder = Sammy Watkins in a Bills uniform. 

 

He cost us a total asset investment of 2 first round picks. 

 

Meanwhile, we could have had 

 

Mike Evans for the same price

 

OBJ for 1 pick

 

Brandin Cooks for 1 pick

 

Devante Adams for 1 pick

 

Jarvis Landry for 1 pick 

 

Allen Robinson for 1 pick. 

 

 

Now, obviously hindsight is 20-20 and there’s only so much we can fault them for. That being said, trading up to select what is one of the deepest positions of the draft is never smart. 

 

 

 

again, people just don't want to or can't comprehend what I said. it wasn't about the trade, it was about people complaining" WE GAVE UP 2 IST ROUNDERS TO DRAFT SAMMY WATKINS!!!" Again they didn't give up 2 1st rounders they gave up 1, and I understand the reasoning of the people who were against doing the deal.

[RyanC883]

11 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t think it’s happening. A team would have to make Minnie an offer they couldn’t refuse like two very high draft picks.  

 

yeah, if it's anything above a 2nd, I don't see it happening.  Even with a 2nd, I don't see the Bills doing it.  

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

Sammy Watkins has not worked out for anyone. Bills gave up too much draft capital.  Rams paid too much for a 1 year rental  Chiefs paying Sammy 16 Mill a year for limited production. 

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

yeah, if it's anything above a 2nd, I don't see it happening.  Even with a 2nd, I don't see the Bills doing it.  

 

 

His contract is not crazy.  A young top wr for a 2nd seems reasonable  A 3rd for Green seems ok

[RyanC883]

24 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Sammy Watkins has not worked out for anyone. Bills gave up too much draft capital.  Rams paid too much for a 1 year rental  Chiefs paying Sammy 16 Mill a year for limited production. 

His contract is not crazy.  A young top wr for a 2nd seems reasonable  A 3rd for Green seems ok

 

if no crazy contract a 2nd may be okay.  I"m just thinking of how deep the WR class is.  However, Diggs has already proven to be great.  A lineup of Diggs, Brown, Beasly and Williams (based on potential) is a great lineup.  

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, SteveFreeman22 said:

again, people just don't want to or can't comprehend what I said. it wasn't about the trade, it was about people complaining" WE GAVE UP 2 IST ROUNDERS TO DRAFT SAMMY WATKINS!!!" Again they didn't give up 2 1st rounders they gave up 1, and I understand the reasoning of the people who were against doing the deal.

 

We did give up two first rounders to draft him...

 

1 as part of the trade, and 1 as the draft.

 

we gave up 1 great round pick to draft Ed Oliver.

[Tipster19]

18 hours ago Diggs tweeted that there’s power in prayer. Regardless of who and where I think that he may have gotten his wish and that a trade is going to be announced.

[clearwater cadet]

On 10/3/2019 at 8:20 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Would much rather have Brown or Foster running those deep routes than Zay Jones.  Edit: or Roberts for that matter

 

 

Newbie fan, are ya?

no that show how little I care for zay

[BillnutinHouston]

23 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

We did give up two first rounders to draft him...

 

1 as part of the trade, and 1 as the draft.

 

we gave up 1 great round pick to draft Ed Oliver.

 

 

I think you mean that we gave up one, and used one for Watkins.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...ouch...............

 

Sources: Vikings fine Stefon Diggs over $200,000 for unexcused absences from practice, meetings

 

• Chris Mortensen
• Adam Schefter  8:33 AM

 

.

Diggs missed all team meetings Monday and Tuesday as well as two practices, but he is expected to be active Sunday when the Vikings visit the New York Giants, according to sources.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27780366/sources-vikings-fine-stefon-diggs-200000-unexcused-absences-practice-meetings

 

[whatdrought]

43 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

 

I think you mean that we gave up one, and used one for Watkins.

 

 

Exactly. So the total investment in Watkins was 2 first round picks (plus a 4th, if I remember correctly.)

[NoSaint]

41 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...ouch...............

 

Sources: Vikings fine Stefon Diggs over $200,000 for unexcused absences from practice, meetings

 

• Chris Mortensen
• Adam Schefter  8:33 AM

 

.

Diggs missed all team meetings Monday and Tuesday as well as two practices, but he is expected to be active Sunday when the Vikings visit the New York Giants, according to sources.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27780366/sources-vikings-fine-stefon-diggs-200000-unexcused-absences-practice-meetings

 

 

But they aren’t going to trade him? 

 

Seems unlikely

[Locomark]

Well if we don't go after Diggs or Green, the Pats will. We will again be left holding the bag asking why we can't have nice things and complaining about them instead. Why can't we finally be in front of our competition for once...

[Alphadawg7]

Diggs winks at media after saying he wants to stay in Minnesota lol

 

http://bleacherreport.com/post/trending/0a8aa6fd-bc96-4f1f-a866-3e54b405c1fd

Edited October 6, 2019 by Alphadawg7