Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

look how low she has that top zipped.  that screams single soccer mom.

 

My son's friend has a mom in which every time I see her, she asks me if they feel real.  Do you think she's hitting on me?

[teef]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

My son's friend has a mom in which every time I see her, she asks me if they feel real.  Do you think she's hitting on me?

if she's talking about her breasts, then yes.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

My son's friend has a mom in which every time I see her, she asks me if they feel real.  Do you think she's hitting on me?

wait what???

 

she asked you to feel them?  
 

uhhh. I hope you obliged ? 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

My son's friend has a mom in which every time I see her, she asks me if they feel real.  Do you think she's hitting on me?

 

Kind of like how Jessica Biel's character in "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" asked Adam Sandler's character?

[Royale with Cheese]

@teef @Doc @SlimShady'sGhost

 

I lied.  I made up that hot soccer mom.  My kid doesn't even play soccer and the only mom that shows interest in me is skinnier than Julie Bowen and I can't do that.

Edited October 23, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

@teef @Doc @SlimShady'sGhost

 

I lied.  I made up that hot soccer mom.  My kid doesn't even play soccer and the only mom that shows interest in me is skinnier than Julie Bowen and I can't do that.

you're dead to me.

[transplantbillsfan]

7 hours ago, papazoid said:

The concerning part is that Allen is the lowest-graded quarterback in the NFL on deep pass attempts (+20 yards)  with a 27.9 passing grade.

 

Allen is one of 10 quarterbacks without a dropped ball on deep shots, but only nine of the 28 total passes have been deemed catchable.

 

Allen has unloaded an accurate deep pass just 21.4% of the time, the second-lowest percentage of the 33 qualified quarterbacks.

 

Allen's 67.9% of uncatchable inaccurate passes is the highest among all those quarterbacks. When he misses, he misses in such a rate that there is no chance for his receivers to make even the most dramatic catch. 

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/10/23/buffalo-bills-pro-football-focus-josh-allen-deep-passes/

 

Yeah, it's concerning.

 

But now flip it around.

 

Imagine if he were deadly accurate on his deep passes but the least accurate QB in the NFL on passes less than 20 yards.

 

Would you feel better or worse?

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, teef said:

you're dead to me.

 

But I do plan on signing my kid up for soccer next year....I won't lie then.

[Doc]

46 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yeah, it's concerning.

 

But now flip it around.

 

Imagine if he were deadly accurate on his deep passes but the least accurate QB in the NFL on passes less than 20 yards.

 

Would you feel better or worse?

 

Josh has attempted 4.7 deep passes a game, with 1.5 of those being catchable, versus ~27 other passes/game.  The answer is clear.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Josh has attempted 4.7 deep passes a game, with 1.5 of those being catchable, versus ~27 other passes/game.  The answer is clear.

 

 

 Now that’s some funny ?  right there 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

 Now that’s some funny ?  right there 

Is this why you want this thread to end so much? I'm sure it'll be okay if you leave the bench.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Naw man just trying a little humor. 
 

 

I figured I’d catch some comments on it.

Edited October 23, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[TheFunPolice]

I feel like guys like Schatz and Clayton will come on WGR for years and talk about how inaccurate Josh Allen is like it's gospel

 

 

[Pokebball]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I feel like guys like Schatz and Clayton will come on WGR for years and talk about how inaccurate Josh Allen is like it's gospel

 

 

They might end up being right about Josh, who knows.  Josh and the Bills are heading northeast on the graph as far as I'm concerned.  And he's ahead of my expectations.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I feel like guys like Schatz and Clayton will come on WGR for years and talk about how inaccurate Josh Allen is like it's gospel

 

 

which is why these type of things will never end. 

People still brag about Tim Tebow 

[transplantbillsfan]

Halfway through the season I believe Daboll is the concern, not Allen.

 

Allen looked good.

 

Honestly his numbers should have been better, but play calling and a badly missed DPI along with a failure on McDermott's part to challenge it hurt the team.

 

Biggest weakness on this team on the field is run defense. Off the field it's Daboll.

 

Consider this:

 

Last 4 games Allen has a 98.4 Passer Rating with 61.6 Completion Percentage, 7 passing TDs and 1 INT. 8 total TDs and 2 turnovers.

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Halfway through the season I believe Daboll is the concern, not Allen.

 

Allen looked good.

 

Honestly his numbers should have been better, but play calling and a badly missed DPI along with a failure on McDermott's part to challenge it hurt the team.

 

Biggest weakness on this team on the field is run defense. Off the field it's Daboll.

 

Consider this:

 

Last 4 games Allen has a 98.4 Passer Rating with 61.6 Completion Percentage, 7 passing TDs and 1 INT. 8 total TDs and 2 turnovers.

Its not just Daboll, its the conservative approach of McDermott. Ever since the game against the Pats they have turned him into a game manager. The numbers you show prove that. Great QBs have to yards to go with those numbers. 

 

Until McDermott realizes your offense needs to do more then just enough, Allen will be JAG. 

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its not just Daboll, its the conservative approach of McDermott. Ever since the game against the Pats they have turned him into a game manager. The numbers you show prove that. Great QBs have to yards to go with those numbers. 

 

Until McDermott realizes your offense needs to do more then just enough, Allen will be JAG. 

YES....NEED TO CUT HIM LOOSE LIKE?

Minshew 309 yards ....loss

Darnold 39 passes loss

 

Maybe it’s all about the W ......lot of chefs here.....guy who is cooking is 6-2

[Prickly Pete]

9 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its not just Daboll, its the conservative approach of McDermott. Ever since the game against the Pats they have turned him into a game manager. The numbers you show prove that. Great QBs have to yards to go with those numbers. 

 

Until McDermott realizes your offense needs to do more then just enough, Allen will be JAG. 

 

People complain that the Bills haven't blown anyone out, but that is just not how McD approaches the game. He is a "get 2 scores ahead, and go into a shell" guy.

 

They also don't have a big play guy that might break away while they're playing it safe. This team running up the score against a demoralized defense isn't going to happen, even when they are in control the whole game.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2019 by 32ABBA

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its not just Daboll, its the conservative approach of McDermott. Ever since the game against the Pats they have turned him into a game manager. The numbers you show prove that. Great QBs have to yards to go with those numbers. 

 

Until McDermott realizes your offense needs to do more then just enough, Allen will be JAG. 

That's the result of having a defensive head coach. Something I like about mcdermott is the going for it on 4th down calls. Didnt think we'd get that. 

4 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

People complain that the Bills haven't blown anyone out, but that is just not how McD approaches the game. He is a "get 2 scores ahead, and go into a shell" guy.

 

They also don't have a big play guy that might break away while they're playing it safe. This team running up the score against a demoralized defense isn't going to happen, even if they are in control the whole game.

I still don't think the bills have a great signature win against a really good team under mcdermott.

 

but we do beat the teams we are supposed to beat. 

[Prickly Pete]

17 hours ago, london_bills said:

That's the result of having a defensive head coach. Something I like about mcdermott is the going for it on 4th down calls. Didnt think we'd get that. 

I still don't think the bills have a great signature win against a really good team under mcdermott.

 

but we do beat the teams we are supposed to beat. 

 

 

How many "really good teams" have they had the opportunity to have some kind of "signature win" against THIS YEAR?

 

The Pats? Allen didn't even have an opportunity to finish.

 

Just let the team develop. Big deal, they lost to the Eagles...it could have been any team really...they could have beat the Eagles but lost to the Giants, would I feel any different..NO! 

 

They are gonna lose some games, just like the Dynasty 49ers, the Dynasty Steelers, and every other ***** team except the 72 Dolphins. 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2019 by 32ABBA

[london_bills]

8 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

How many "really good teams" have they had the opportunity to have some kind of "signature win" agains THIS YEAR?

 

The Pats?

 

Just let the team develop. Big deal, they lost to the Eagles...it could have been any team really...they could have beat the Eagles but lost to the Giants, would I feel any different..NO! 

 

They are gonna lose some games, just like the Dynasty 49ers, the Dynasty Steelers, and every other ***** team except the 71 Dolphins. 

 

 

This season they lost to the best two teams they played, pats and eagles. 

 

6-2 record is great, it's good to beat the teams you should and generally under mcdermott they have done that. 

 

Not convinced we are seeing a team right now that can beat the better teams. Dallas, ravens, steelers will be tests. 

Edited November 3, 2019 by london_bills

[Big Gun]

18 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

How many "really good teams" have they had the opportunity to have some kind of "signature win" against THIS YEAR?

 

The Pats? Allen didn't even have an opportunity to finish.

 

Just let the team develop. Big deal, they lost to the Eagles...it could have been any team really...they could have beat the Eagles but lost to the Giants, would I feel any different..NO! 

 

They are gonna lose some games, just like the Dynasty 49ers, the Dynasty Steelers, and every other ***** team except the 71 Dolphins. 

 

 

72 Dolphins but who's counting

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, london_bills said:

This season they lost to the best two teams they played, pats and eagles. 

 

6-2 record is great, it's good to beat the teams you should and generally under mcdermott they have done that. 

 

Not convinced we are seeing a team right now that can beat the better teams. Dallas, ravens, steelers will be tests. 

I just dont think this team is a finished product......and with like 10 new starters on offense its tough to put up the points.

 

I think making the playoffs this year would be great......and another draft and free agency addresssing number 1 wide receiver, pass rush, and young guys with talent (like Dawson Knox) getting years under their belt.

 

Next year we will beat more good teams

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I just dont think this team is a finished product......

 

Judging by postgame pressers, the players and coaches on this team agree with you

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Judging by postgame pressers, the players and coaches on this team agree with you

 

I am fine with it not being a finished product.....we are stumbling along all the while probably playing some post season football.....and you never know what can happen there.

 

I still very much like the fact that our QB is at his best when it matters most.   4th quarter Josh was back today.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its not just Daboll, its the conservative approach of McDermott. Ever since the game against the Pats they have turned him into a game manager. The numbers you show prove that. Great QBs have to yards to go with those numbers. 

 

Until McDermott realizes your offense needs to do more then just enough, Allen will be JAG. 

 

If mcDermott was as conservative as you contend, we'd have punted or kicked FGs on 4th down instead of going for it. And personally I thought NOT kicking the FG on 4th and 1 was gonna bite em. Everyone says this team is not that good yet. If that is the case you should always take the points. This was a one-score game for a good chunk of the 2nd half because of passing on the FG. #TakeThePoints

Edited November 3, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[The Wiz]

I was listening to the pregame show this morning and they had stats about Allen's drop back percentages from last year to this year.  I will try to find it but one of the biggest difference was his 0-1 step drops from year 1 to 2.  He went from I believe they said 21% were 0-1 last year and this year it jumped to 54%.  I don't remember the numbers but his 5-7 step dropped significantly this year (likely because of the increase in quick passes).

 

So I know people will complain about the long ball not happening but I feel like this is a product of trying to make him be a more all around passer and getting the short/quick stuff developed more than just letting him take big drops and chuck it like he did last year.

[Jrb1979]

55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If mcDermott was as conservative as you contend, we'd have punted or kicked FGs on 4th down instead of going for it. And personally I thought NOT kicking the FG on 4th and 1 was gonna bite em. Everyone says this team is not that good yet. If that is the case you should always take the points. This was a one-score game for a good chunk of the 2nd half because of passing on the FG. #TakeThePoints

They are conservative in that they rarely go for the big play that the good teams do. 

[Luka]

Until the play calling improves I think we'll continue to see around 200 yards passing. Just not enough screens and receivers in space. A lot of guys with big yards through the air benefit from YAC. Josh just doesn't get those kinds of plays often. Shame too, as we watched Singletary take a quick screen 49 yards today. Daboll seems to get a bunch of credit for running a modern offense but modern offenses employ quick screens. Daboll's does not.

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, Luka said:

Until the play calling improves I think we'll continue to see around 200 yards passing. Just not enough screens and receivers in space. A lot of guys with big yards through the air benefit from YAC. Josh just doesn't get those kinds of plays often. Shame too, as we watched Singletary take a quick screen 49 yards today. Daboll seems to get a bunch of credit for running a modern offense but modern offenses employ quick screens. Daboll's does not.

Practicing screens wouldn't hurt the defence either. Last in the league in defending them 

Edited November 4, 2019 by london_bills

[Seven-N-Nine]

While his comp% is not great and still a concern, it's better than I expected. If he finishes the season above 60% that's more progress than anyone would have expected. Too bad he lost the long ball along the way.

[Luka]

Just now, london_bills said:

Practicing screens would hurt the defence either. Last in the league in defending them 

 

Good point! LOL

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

While his comp% is not great and still a concern, it's better than I expected. If he finishes the season above 60% that's more progress than anyone would have expected. Too bad he lost the long ball along the way.

 

Did he ever really have the long ball?

 

Honestly it's looked like Allen has really excelled in the NFL intermediate throws between 10-25 yards. Those are the throws where accuracy and arm strength really matter because they're the plays with defenders all around. 

 

And so far, that's where Allen has excelled.

 

I'll take that. 

 

He'll hit a long ball or two by the end of the year. But those intermediate ones are the bread and butter of an NFL QB, and that's where he's really improved.

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am fine with it not being a finished product.....we are stumbling along all the while probably playing some post season football.....and you never know what can happen there.

 

I still very much like the fact that our QB is at his best when it matters most.   4th quarter Josh was back today.

I like that too.

 

What frustrated me today was our opening drive in the 3rd quarter. The offense was moving the ball, then on 4th & inches we hand the ball off to Gore who is already 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage and lose the drive on downs.

 

Why didn't we go with the QB sneak? Allen had a much better chance at making that first down than Gore.

 

The worst thing about that play is that it came after the Redskins had called time out and they saw us running the ball with Gore. After the timeout we did the exact same play!

 

I'm glad we won today, but I just felt that we were going to score on that opening drive, be it a touchdown or field goal, and that would have really demoralized the Redskins.

[KOKBILLS]

14 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

 

 

What frustrated me today was our opening drive in the 3rd quarter. The offense was moving the ball, then on 4th & inches we hand the ball off to Gore who is already 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage and lose the drive on downs.

 

 

And that's after he got stuffed at the goal-line how many times earlier in the game?

 

If nothing else this Coaching staff seems to lack some very basic awareness at times...Maybe Gore was just having a bad day... But have some awareness and recognize, whether it's Gore or Washington's D-Line, it's NOT the day to hand him the ball in short yardage situations over and over again... Come up with something else...

 

Good grief...?

Edited November 4, 2019 by KOKBILLS

[John from Riverside]

35 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

And that's after he got stuffed at the goal-line how many times earlier in the game?

 

If nothing else this Coaching staff seems to lack some very basic awareness at times...Maybe Gore was just having a bad day... But have some awareness and recognize, whether it's Gore or Washington's D-Line, it's NOT the day to hand him the ball in short yardage situations over and over again... Come up with something else...

 

Good grief...?

Also fair

 

the game however was not close

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Also fair

 

the game however was not close

 

No, it was a convincing win.

 

But it wasn't the dominant win I think we've all been waiting for. 

 

Weird choices on the part of the coaches today.

 

No challenge flag on that long 3rd down pass to Brown?

 

3 of the exact same play on the goal line?

 

Running that little shovel pass to McKenzie twice in like 10-15 plays?

 

Going for it on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11?

 

The predictable play call on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11 after Gore was already stuffed on 3 straight goal line plays earlier?

 

 

Bein honest... I think we have our QB... I'm not as confident we have our coaches--mainly our OC...

[John from Riverside]

Not convinced on debol

[MJS]

35 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No, it was a convincing win.

 

But it wasn't the dominant win I think we've all been waiting for. 

 

Weird choices on the part of the coaches today.

 

No challenge flag on that long 3rd down pass to Brown?

 

3 of the exact same play on the goal line?

 

Running that little shovel pass to McKenzie twice in like 10-15 plays?

 

Going for it on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11?

 

The predictable play call on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11 after Gore was already stuffed on 3 straight goal line plays earlier?

 

Bein honest... I think we have our QB... I'm not as confident we have our coaches--mainly our OC...

 

That was a good no challenge, if you ask me. There's no way the refs reverse that. Was it interference? Probably. But the refs only reverse incredibly bad misses, not ones like that.

 

I agree with all of your other points. Play calling has not been helping this offense. Too many cute gadget plays in key situations. Too predictable. Running the same plays over and over (even when they aren't working). That's a problem.

 

The weird thing is I like a lot of the concepts that Daboll uses. I think he has designed a good offense. I just think he's bad at actually calling it sometimes.