billsfan1959 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Coaches, by league rule, are not allowed to comment on the status of the player in concussion protocol. Also, the player is not to made available to reporters. So it's not BS. And I don't think that it's a significant advantage to not be sure who the starter is. It's probably not as complicated as people think. It's not like we change the playbook. I'm not sure how significant it is; however, there is a distinct difference in preparing for Allen vs Barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 updated with new info - stage 4 protocol - attended meetings and did individual drill work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, rayray808 said: updated with new info - stage 4 protocol - attended meetings and did individual drill work This is a good sign. Could still sit Sunday, but long term seems good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Let's be honest here. You want him to sit, because you don't like the guy. Bottom line. All these other little ancillary reasons you're coming up with are so you can feel good about thinking that. Let's be honest here. You want to believe I hate Allen so you can justify completely disregarding anything I say regardless of whether it has merit or not. I'm straight up telling you I want Allen to succeed. I'm forming my opinion on the subject of sitting/playing him Sunday based on what I think is best for him long-term as the team's starter, but rather than accept that perhaps we may have differing opinions you perform mental gymnastics to fit your anchoring bias -- that I want Allen to sit because I hate him because that's what you first thought and so you're sticking to it. It's a huge reach and definitely incorrect. You seem to also be exhibiting hostile attribution bias. Anyone with a critical view of Josh must be out to get him. It's ridiculous. Edited October 2, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 letʻs go... he is playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, VW82 said: Let's be honest here. You want to believe I hate Allen so you can justify completely disregarding anything I say regardless of whether it has merit or not. I'm straight up telling you I want Allen to succeed. I'm forming my opinion on the subject of sitting/playing him Sunday based on what I think is best for him long-term, but rather than accept that perhaps we may just differ in opinion you perform mental gymnastics to fit your anchoring bias -- that I want Allen to sit because I hate him because that's what you first thought and so you're sticking to it. It's a huge reach and definitely incorrect. You seem to also be exhibiting hostile attribution bias. Anyone with a critical view of Josh must be out to get him. It's ridiculous. Man, I'm just going on your post history. It ain't hard. If you're NOW claiming you want him to succeed, great. But let's not pretend you've been that way for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: John Murphy doesn't seem to know much Kyle Williams seemed to be moving well at halftime during the wedding ceremony despite tearing his ACL in week 3 Edited October 2, 2019 by Mrbojanglezs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: When someone starts throwing numbers around you know that they don’t have a leg to stand on. I’ll try this again in this thread. The McCoy release only makes sense if the aim is to release one player with greater talent over another with obviously less talent. That’s it. Keep your “but, but, but, Shady might not have accepted a lesser role happily.” WTF cares? Let The Process take care of that one. If It cannot then it isn’t worth much. Is it? Were they “doing good” for a guy who had carried the load and asked to be released? If that’s what The Process is about then it needs fixed. Was McDermott “doing a solid” for his buddy Mozart? I sure hope that debts incurred be The Process don’t go back that far. They, Beane and McDermott, left a hole in the roster. To put it succinctly, they ***** up. They sent talent away and kept lesser talent. Dude, seriously?? First of all, that is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever read on this forum and I’ve been here a long time. Those numbers are accurate, and if they aren’t, by all means prove that they are wrong. Prove that anything I stated is inaccurate. Second, where in that post did I EVER state an opinion one way or the other regarding whether we should have or shouldn’t have kept him?? I merely stated facts, in response to a previous post, that implied no money was saved and thus was an irrelevant factor. This was false. But then again, I’m just throwing numbers around and I guess we all now know what that means. ? Brownie says Josh is in stage 4. Edited October 2, 2019 by BuffaloBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 Per Chris Brown, Allen will take a test tomorrow morning to determine if symptoms have returned. If so, he stays in stage 4 or goes back. If not, next step is to be cleared by team doc and then independent neurologist 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Per Chris Brown, Allen will take a test tomorrow morning to determine if symptoms have returned. If so, he stays in stage 4 or goes back. If not, next step is to be cleared by team doc and then independent neurologist I am wondering if he has no symptoms tomorrow morning, can the team doc and independent neurologist assigned to the team clear him the same day? meaning he can practice tomorrow if cleared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Per Chris Brown, Allen will take a test tomorrow morning to determine if symptoms have returned. If so, he stays in stage 4 or goes back. If not, next step is to be cleared by team doc and then independent neurologist YAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Are we trying to win, or save money? And I thought Ralph was cheap. If we had Shady we very well may have won Sunday. Once Gore got up there in carries and we couldn't run because Coach McDermott doesn't trust Yeldon, Shady probably would have broke one on the last drive ala snow game and Bucs game in 2017. But at least it didn't hurt our cap space. Where are the reading comprehension skills?? I merely pointed out in response to another post implying that no money was saved that there was in fact money saved. Where in my post did I opine in any way regarding the decision to release him? ? Edited October 2, 2019 by BuffaloBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 If he clears , You play him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I don't play Allen this week regardless. Barkley can beat the Titians, so give Allen the bye week to rest and more fully recover from the concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, rayray808 said: updated with new info - stage 4 protocol - attended meetings and did individual drill work How many stages are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, Freddie's Dead said: I don't play Allen this week regardless. Barkley can beat the Titians, so give Allen the bye week to rest and more fully recover from the concussion. No. If the neurologist clears him and he has no symptoms he plays 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Man, I'm just going on your post history. It ain't hard. If you're NOW claiming you want him to succeed, great. But let's not pretend you've been that way for a while. No, you're not going by my post history. I challenge you to find any post of mine where I say I hate him or want him to fail. When I'm critical, it's because of something specific I've observed with his play on the field. You're taking those criticisms of his play and inferring that I must hate him and want him to fail. It's illogical. I'd understand your position better if you argued that I don't think he's any good. There's definitely evidence in my posting history of that -- for the record, I think he's raw and wild, but has incredible talent. It's anyone's guess at this point if he'll be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: No. If the neurologist clears him and he has no symptoms he plays WHY IS THIS SO FRIGGIN HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND???? ITS NOT LIKE ITS A GD HAMSTRING!!!! ITS EITHER YOUR CLEARED OR YOUR NOT!!!!! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: How many stages are there? I believe there’s 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: No. If the neurologist clears him and he has no symptoms he plays We're gonna disagree. Second impact syndrome is what to watch out for here. I've seen too many athlete's careers ended by rushing them back after a concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: I don't play Allen this week regardless. Barkley can beat the Titians, so give Allen the bye week to rest and more fully recover from the concussion. They may be "meh" on offense, but they're a damned good defense. I'm not so sure that our backup can walk into that stadium and come out with a win. Then again, I'm not so sure our first stringer at QB can do that, either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Putin said: I believe there’s 5 Hopefully it starts at 1? And ends at 5? Edited October 2, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, VW82 said: I'd understand your position better if you argued that I don't think he's any good. There's definitely evidence in my posting history of that that's fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Pretty sure stage 4 is “frolicking.” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, K-9 said: Pretty sure stage 4 is “frolicking.” Not to mention that Josh could beat Barkley down the field in a race an hour after kneecap replacement surgery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The problem is that he needs to complete stage 5 and then be cleared by an independent neurologist. Even in the most optimistic of timelines, that means that he gets cleared for full practice on Friday at the earliest. Is this coaching staff going to feel like it's wise to push a QB with one day of practice out onto the field, or is it more likely that they take the cautious approach and sit him against the Titans anyway so that he has three full weeks to recover. I hope Allen heals fast and plays, and its definitely a good sign that he's already in stage 4 of the protocol. That being said, it's absolutely not a lock that he plays this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Can we beat the Titans with Barkley at QB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: We're gonna disagree. Second impact syndrome is what to watch out for here. I've seen too many athlete's careers ended by rushing them back after a concussion. It’s not considered “rushing” if he’s cleared by an independent neurologist Edited October 2, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: We're gonna disagree. Second impact syndrome is what to watch out for here. I've seen too many athlete's careers ended by rushing them back after a concussion. That was before there was a multi stage protocol and independent neurologist clearing players. Kelly got knocked out plenty and have gone right back into games. Big difference now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: WHY IS THIS SO FRIGGIN HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND???? ITS NOT LIKE ITS A GD HAMSTRING!!!! ITS EITHER YOUR CLEARED OR YOUR NOT!!!!! You mad, bro? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, Logic said: They may be "meh" on offense, but they're a damned good defense. I'm not so sure that our backup can walk into that stadium and come out with a win. Then again, I'm not so sure our first stringer at QB can do that, either... 2019 Titians = 2018 Jest. Bills 41 Titians 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: You mad, bro? what gave it away guuuug? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Stage 4 on Wednesday raises the odds he'll play on Sunday. He really will not have missed any practice time this week, so I don't really see any advantage to sitting him. I think he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Logic said: The problem is that he needs to complete stage 5 and then be cleared by an independent neurologist. Even in the most optimistic of timelines, that means that he gets cleared for full practice on Friday at the earliest. Is this coaching staff going to feel like it's wise to push a QB with one day of practice out onto the field, or is it more likely that they take the cautious approach and sit him against the Titans anyway so that he has three full weeks to recover. I hope Allen heals fast and plays, and its definitely a good sign that he's already in stage 4 of the protocol. That being said, it's absolutely not a lock that he plays this weekend. I think if he is cleared tomorrow he can practice tomorrow. I imagine they give him tests early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Logic said: They may be "meh" on offense, but they're a damned good defense. I'm not so sure that our backup can walk into that stadium and come out with a win. Then again, I'm not so sure our first stringer at QB can do that, either... They're not, though. They're a middling defense. The one thing they're good at is red zone defense. They ended last year ranked 2nd there. The Bills would benefit from having Josh in for the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 10 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Are we trying to win, or save money? And I thought Ralph was cheap. If we had Shady we very well may have won Sunday. Once Gore got up there in carries and we couldn't run because Coach McDermott doesn't trust Yeldon, Shady probably would have broke one on the last drive ala snow game and Bucs game in 2017. But at least it didn't hurt our cap space. So you are saying they need to predict Singletary getting injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Those who are on the "let him sit so he can watch and learn" train need to quit with that non-sense already Josh Allen is our guy. Deal with it. His learning will now take place on the field, and if he doesnʻt get it after a full season? See Cardinals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: BUT WAS IT AN ACCURATE PASS!!!?!?!?!?! We need to get back to arguing about his abilities, not his condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Just now, The Wiz said: BUT WAS IT AN ACCURATE PASS!!!?!?!?!?! We need to get back to arguing about his abilities, not his condition. RIGHT?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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