Did I watch a different game? Allen under pressure all day & made play after play

[GoBills808]

If you believe in the kid you are going to have to live with a couple horrible picks...there’s a lot more good than bad right now. 

 

The guy is otherworldly athletic and still learning the position. He makes plays no other QB in the league can right now and sure he’s going to have to learn to limit the awful decisions, but it’s pretty obvious to me at least they’re a byproduct of his talent. Just normal growing pains imo

[Roundybout]

Every miserable curmudgeon complaining now needs to flip the radio onto WGR550 and soak in every word Nate Geary is saying. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He was "pressured" because he held the ball too long staring at receivers.

 

He did. He was indecisive compared to weeks 1 and 2. I think the two Cincy corners were excellent and they mixed up coverages well.  I think he struggled to read them.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said:

The interception was terrible and inexcusable.  I love Allen and I'm kind of a homer for the guy, but that was a bone-headed play that single-handedly changed the entire course of the game.  My guess is that Allen has the Brett Favre gene that will never be coached out of him and we'll all just have to get used to a play like this once in a while, but that doesn't minimize how bad it was.

 

And honestly, he looked kind of rattled on the next couple of drives after that.  I can live with the occasional stupid play, but guys like Favre and Kelly seemed to forget about them after 30 seconds or so.  Allen could do better in this area.

 

That said, he looked very sharp in the first half and was clutch on the last drive.  No worries on my end.

It actually did not change the entire course of the game......cuz we won

[SJDK]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

The fumble along the sideline was a bad play and we were very lucky not to turn the ball over.

 

The INT was beyond horrible.

 

Missed a wide open Zay Jones for an easy TD.

 

Made some nice throws; made some tough runs.

 

A mix of good, great, bad, and really bad.  As usual.

Josh Allen vs. Bengals:

  289 total yards 1 tds 1 int.

  passing 23/36 243yds. 1td 1int

  rushing 9/46 5.1 ypc

Most important stat: buffalo 3-0

 

looks like a fine day to me. I’ll take that interception  once in a while because his positives overwhelmingly outweigh his negatives.

3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Every miserable curmudgeon complaining now needs to flip the radio onto WGR550 and soak in every word Nate Geary is saying. 

we won!

25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

 

I was relieved to beat another bad team and it's better to be 3-0 than not.

 

But I see things for what they actually are and I'll be happy when the Bills are legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

 

Until then I'm not going to hand out free cotton candy and puppies and fart rainbows.

 

But you guys are certainly welcome to do that if that's your jam.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

If you believe in the kid you are going to have to live with a couple horrible picks...there’s a lot more good than bad right now. 

 

The guy is otherworldly athletic and still learning the position. He makes plays no other QB in the league can right now and sure he’s going to have to learn to limit the awful decisions, but it’s pretty obvious to me at least they’re a byproduct of his talent. Just normal growing pains imo

 

patrick mahomes other guy can make throws like that.

 

But anyways take the good from the bad agree.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

patrick mahomes other guy can make throws like that.

 

But anyways take the good from the bad agree.

True

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He did. He was indecisive compared to weeks 1 and 2. I think the two Cincy corners were excellent and they mixed up coverages well.  I think he struggled to read them.  

Credit to Cincy d line too, they were plenty active

[Ralonzo]

25 minutes ago, skibum said:

Even some of his completions were a little terrifying today.

 

The Bengals coverage was very good today and their pass rush better still. Their coaches did a good job taking away a lot of what the Bills like to do in the passing game, and while the Bills' O hurt them on the edge early they corrected that.

 

Have we noticed yet that the Bills horrible drives usually start with an Allen designed run? Let's quit that crap.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

True

Credit to Cincy d line too, they were plenty active

 

That front 4 is good. Atkins is still a stud, Dunlap can play, Hubbard was a 1st rounder and Billings was a borderline 1st rounder as well who fell due to injury and off field issues. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That front 4 is good. Atkins is still a stud, Dunlap can play, Hubbard was a 1st rounder and Billings was a borderline 1st rounder as well who fell due to injury and off field issues. 

Billings was causing a lot of problems to my eyes

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The Bengals coverage was very good today and their pass rush better still. Their coaches did a good job taking away a lot of what the Bills like to do in the passing game, and while the Bills' O hurt them on the edge early they corrected that.

 

Have we noticed yet that the Bills horrible drives usually start with an Allen designed run? Let's quit that crap.

 

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That front 4 is good. Atkins is still a stud, Dunlap can play, Hubbard was a 1st rounder and Billings was a borderline 1st rounder as well who fell due to injury and off field issues. 

Right. People should ask Russell Wilson and the Seahawks how easy it was to beat Cincy at home in week one when they escaped  with a one point, come from behind win...

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That front 4 is good. Atkins is still a stud, Dunlap can play, Hubbard was a 1st rounder and Billings was a borderline 1st rounder as well who fell due to injury and off field issues. 

Yup. Josh had very little time. Yes he held it too long a few times and made some bad decisions. But he eludes guys right on him all the time that are sacks against most QBs. 

[Wayne Cubed]

My problem with Josh is he does the, stiff arm fall back 5-10 yards and still attempt a throw. Hero ball. He needs to cut that out. It doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked. And he continues to do it.

[Ralonzo]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yup. Josh had very little time. Yes he held it too long a few times and made some bad decisions. But he eludes guys right on him all the time that are sacks against most QBs. 

You got it. While the Knox play was huge, the underrated play of the game on that drive was when Allen was literally grasped for a sack and tore away, scrambled left and got a first down. That's just where a defense feels like, we can't do anything about this.

Edited September 22, 2019 by Ralonzo

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

My problem with Josh is he does the, stiff arm fall back 5-10 yards and still attempt a throw. Hero ball. He needs to cut that out. It doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked. And he continues to do it.

Except the 30 yard great pass to Knox last week, and the rollout first down to Brown on third down on game winning drive were those kind of plays. 

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

You got it. While the Knox play was huge, underrated play of the game on that drive was when Allen was literally grasped for a sack and tore away, scrambled left and got a first down. That's just where a defense feels like, we can't do anything about this.

Exactly. It was a huge play. Both the escape and the run for the first. Not many guys do that. It's a huge part of his game. 

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Except the 30 yard great pass to Knox last week, and the rollout first down to Brown on third down on game winning drive were those kind of plays. 

I get that, and they were sort of the same but to my eye not quite. He’s rolling instead of going backwards. 
 

The intentional grounding and interception were identical plays. And he had a similar play in preseason. Just needs to learn to throw it out of bounds. I’d rather an intentional grounding than a turnover. Live to fight another day!

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

I get that, and they were sort of the same but to my eye not quite. He’s rolling instead of going backwards. 
 

The intentional grounding and interception were identical plays. And he had a similar play in preseason. Just needs to learn to throw it out of bounds. I’d rather an intentional grounding than a turnover. Live to fight another day!

Absolutely. The INT was intolerable. And he gets credit for doing bad things when it is complete, like today he had one to Sweeney and one to Cole iIRC that were ill-advised but he completed them. It's really hard to ask a guy like that to always make the right decision. The INT was just grossly bad though. 

[Dan]

Or the play where he tripped on the RB foot, fell down, lost the ball, got up, ran back away from the rush.  And completed a 3yd pass.   Wtf!!?  That isn't supposed to be possible.  

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Dan said:

Or the play where he tripped on the RB foot, fell down, lost the ball, got up, ran back away from the rush.  And completed a 3yd pass.   Wtf!!?  That isn't supposed to be possible.  

One could argue that it was still dumb as he threw against the grain.

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Absolutely. The INT was intolerable. And he gets credit for doing bad things when it is complete, like today he had one to Sweeney and one to Cole iIRC that were ill-advised but he completed them. It's really hard to ask a guy like that to always make the right decision. The INT was just grossly bad though. 

I didn’t mind those plays as he wasn’t going backwards as much. It’s the ones were he stiff arms or is fighting off a tackle and “throws it away.”  Ive seen it quite a few times, just reels of hero ball.

[GoBills808]

Bad with the good and the goods been good enough for 3-0 rn

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

I didn’t mind those plays as he wasn’t going backwards as much. It’s the ones were he stiff arms or is fighting off a tackle and “throws it away.”  Ive seen it quite a few times, just reels of hero ball.

The intentional grounding wasn't bad. He thought he was just throwing it away. The defender hit him just as he was throwing and it didn't reach the LOS. He could have thrown it farther and no penalty. 

[Dan]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

One could argue that it was still dumb as he threw against the grain.

Yep!  Shoulda just fallen on the ball and cuddled it for the sack. 

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You realize the Bills are part of the reason those teams are 0-9, yes?
 

 

As are the Pats

[Wayne Cubed]

6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The intentional grounding wasn't bad. He thought he was just throwing it away. The defender hit him just as he was throwing and it didn't reach the LOS. He could have thrown it farther and no penalty. 

True. And I would have preferred that with his second attempt. At 14-0, he didn’t need to attempt a complete pass and intentional grounding probably keeps this game a lot less close.

Edited September 22, 2019 by Wayne Cubed

[MDH]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Except the 30 yard great pass to Knox last week, and the rollout first down to Brown on third down on game winning drive were those kind of plays. 

 

Neither of those were anywhere near the same thing. He didn’t run backwards. He didn’t have a guy on him he was stiff arming WHILE he threw the ball.On those he escaped the pocket and was running laterally when he threw the ball.

 

Better decision making. That’s his biggest weakness, not accuracy. He’s got to learn where he can make plays and when he just needs to take the sack.

 

I don’t get excusing these plays. Every other player gets called out for their bad play but the Bills QB (whomever it is) always has fans who excuse everything.

 

He do a good things too but that doesn’t excuse absolute boneheaded decisions. He has to get better, he can’t keep making the same type of mistakes over and over again.

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

True. And I would have preferred that with his second attempt. At 14-0, he didn’t need to attempt a complete pass and international grounding probably keeps this game a lot less close.

Absolutely. 

[ny33]

40 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

If you believe in the kid you are going to have to live with a couple horrible picks...there’s a lot more good than bad right now. 

 

The guy is otherworldly athletic and still learning the position. He makes plays no other QB in the league can right now and sure he’s going to have to learn to limit the awful decisions, but it’s pretty obvious to me at least they’re a byproduct of his talent. Just normal growing pains imo

Concise and on-point evaluation in a few sentences that summarizes what we have in Allen that I needed a few hundred words to detail. Josh has all the talent in the world, but also makes too many mental mistakes and risky decisions that define the careers of gifted players like Good Rex/Bad Rex and Cam Newton. However, he's shown a clear ability to learn from his mistakes and continually improve that so many players who get by on their talent lack. Comparing him to a rare, rare player like Mahomes is a pointless exercise; it's exciting, and promising, to have such a talented, but flawed, QB who gets markedly better every day unlike the arrogant and immature Mayfield (who is, of course, also a second-year rookie and has plenty of time to put in the extra work, reflection, and preparation that is necessary for success at the highest level).

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, ny33 said:

Concise and on-point evaluation in a few sentences that summarizes what we have in Allen that I needed a few hundred words to detail. Josh has all the talent in the world, but also makes too many mental mistakes and risky decisions that define the careers of gifted players like Good Rex/Bad Rex and Cam Newton. However, he's shown a clear ability to learn from his mistakes and continually improve that so many players who get by on their talent lack. Comparing him to a rare, rare player like Mahomes is a pointless exercise; it's exciting, and promising, to have such a talented, but flawed, QB who gets markedly better every day unlike the arrogant and immature Mayfield (who is, of course, also a second-year rookie and has plenty of time to put in the extra work, reflection, and preparation that is necessary for success at the highest level).

He already makes far, far more good plays than ones resulting from mental mistakes or risky decisions. He will only get better. I just feel there is a segment of this fan base that has to overanalyze every single play he makes - and seem to hold him to a different standard than other QBs.

 

He is going to be really good for this team for a long time

 

[Nick the Greek]

2 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

To say the game winning drive was all Allen and not credit Dawson Knox is the dumbest statement of the day

 

 

That play by him was cool.

 

him catching a 2nd TD in the first half that hit him in the hands would have been cooler. 

[Billsfan1972]

BTW anyone watch Lamar Jackson today?  Stats look pretty so so (padded in the 4th) and saw a few hail mary/lame ducks that could have been intercepted.

 

 

[ny33]

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

He already makes far, far more good plays than ones resulting from mental mistakes or risky decisions. He will only get better. I just feel there is a segment of this fan base that has to overanalyze every single play he makes - and seem to hold him to a different standard than other QBs.

 

He is going to be really good for this team for a long time

 

I don't think we could ask for much more than what we've seen from Allen and believe we have someone special who puts in the necessary work to reach the highest level. I would much rather have a player who can make all of the throws and keeps getting better, with the occasional heart attack from an interception or poor ball protection, than what we've had since the ghost of Bledsoe (checkdowns, short throws into coverage, and moving the chains 5 or so yards on completions). I love that Josh and the offense prioritize a first down on 1st/2nd rather than setting up a 2-3 yard plunge on 3rd down as per the Bills of old. My main concern in the long term with his game is his lack of blind side awareness, which sets him up for excessive fumbles/injury, in part because he can take a hit and extend the play in the rare way that only Roethlisberger, Newton etc. can. His agility and recovery are world class, but I believe he will continue to have a high rate of fumbles if he doesn't go through more progressions and develop better pocket awareness.

Edited September 22, 2019 by ny33

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes & one stupid play under immense pressure.  

 

And yet again bad mid-game adjustments.....

 

Oh yea the game winning drive was all Allen.....

 

But sure tell me otherwise.

 

You're gonna get both with Allen. But he's won his last 4 starts.

[TH3]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It's a pattern. He's being doing it since his days at Wyoming. 

So has making unbelievable plays

 

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

Nothing disingenuous about it.  You think 3-0 against 0-9 teams is a sign of greatness it seems,.  I do not.  They don't need to beat NE, nor did I say they needed to. But playing against a quality opponent will show what they are more than beating bottom feeders.  You don't agree, that's fine.

Jets and Giants do suck.  I feel like the Bengals are on par with the Bills even though they are 0-3.  

2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

I agree.  Which is why that game will be a good barometer for the Bills.

 

I don't think so.  I think it moves the needle towards the complete opposite side.  We are going from playing some of the worst, though I don't think the Bengals are that bad, to playing the best.  The Pats have a way of making any non elite team look like utter dog crap.  We are not elite.  We are perhaps wild card contenders.  In a few other divisions we might be division contenders, but this team is not a super bowl contender.  At least not yet.  So, I will not get too down on this team if they lose next week.  Not even if they get blown out.  That's what the Pats do.  They blow teams out.

Edited September 22, 2019 by Scott7975

[Green Lightning]

3 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Yup, a young qb made a dumb play.  Who cares?  

Because he keeps making the same one.  

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

Because he keeps making the same one.  

 

But one of the most important attributes is consistency!!

[Green Lightning]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

But one of the most important attributes is consistency!!

?.  It looks like that's just part of his game however, the difference between that bullet he delivered on the run earlier in the game and that blooper he delivered for the pick  was night and day. I think he jhas to try the bullet pass, and if it gets picked off,  oh well. But the bloopers into triple coverage,  come on, just stop it!

[eball]

Josh is a work in progress. Those who don’t understand that will continue to be frustrated by the inevitable valleys that come with the incredible peaks. We saw both today. 

[Dr. K]

The problem is that the same desire to make a play that resulted in the under-pressure passes to Knox and Beasley last week that everybody was in awe of is the same instinct that causes him to throw that dumb interception today. I'm not sure you can have one without the other. 

 

Certainly it would help if he could cut such moves to a minimum. And if the o-line could pass protect more consistently. But all in all, I think he's made significant progress and is proving to be strong in the clutch. He clearly has some strength of character to come back from his and the team's mistakes.