Punching Bag Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: My goodness we're a schizophrenic bunch. One week Allen is so inaccurate and will never be more than a zip code passer with fast legs. Now he's better than Wentz. I know it's not the same people but sheesh If you include availability probably. I see Wentz having a career like Luck. P.S. Be careful with pop psychology diagnoses. Some posters get offended by that. Edited September 16, 2019 by Limeaid Added to post and editor posted it twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 He sure looks better than Wentz at the moment, even though Wentz battled back tonight. His throws were way off and seemed like a lot of miscommunication on the eagles offense. 6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Forget about Wentz....its going to be Mahomes he'll be chasing for 10 years... We got a little Defense for that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 hours ago, eanyills said: Nothing against you but I hate this argument. The price of sustained success is paying your QB. If the Bills are going to be great, Josh will most likely be great. If that’s the case, guess who else is going to be making a ton of money? McDermott ? 5 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Oh, man. I SO wanted Brohm to be good. It's a whole new ball game. Wait and see. I hope, and think it's possible, that Allen will go the Brady route. Of course, it would help if Allen married someone who makes $50 million a year on her own. with the way this team plays offense and defense we wont need a lot of stars who need to be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Oh vey & Geez Louise! He beat the two crap teams from NYS! Move away from the Meth! Allen has not been to the Playoffs. Has not thrown for ONE 300 yard game. Completes slightly more than 50% of his passes and Wins v.s. Losses. Has more INTs than TDs. Try coming back in 5 years to see if he’s even still on the Roster. ? Try coming back in 2 WEEKS and see how he does against the best! Anal-ytics we know that's you Schopp and you're an idiot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 hours ago, McBean said: Give Allen something comparable to what Mahomes has. Pat Mahomes is driving a Ferrari. Allen is racing in a Ford Taurus. He doesn't do a bad job of it at all. That's why I have a big problem when people rip Allen when he hasn't even had a full season of starts yet, just as one example. Allen is working with NINE new starters. What did Mahomes walk into when he started? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Obvious right? Wish you would’ve, you know, put some thought into this thread but sure, he may turn out better than Wentz. Glad you’re here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 hours ago, CDogg20 said: I love that we have these kind of threads now, it’s so much more encouraging than the “Start Brian Brohm” threads So much truth to this, and so many different names. The Tuel time threads can make anyone shiver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, JXCOL3 said: So much truth to this, and so many different names. The Tuel time threads can make anyone shiver. Uh let’s be honest, 1,000 “hey dummies Josh Allen is better than player X” threads are equally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 7 hours ago, MJS said: You say that after Wentz has a bad game, but what will you say after Allen has a bad game this year? Yeah, this whole take is pretty ignorant. Lets see what Allen does this season, not game by game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 hours ago, McBean said: Give Allen something comparable to what Mahomes has. Pat Mahomes is driving a Ferrari. Allen is racing in a Ford Taurus. More like a Corvette this year for Allen. Right now the Ferrari is on D. Give Beane another year and I believe the team will be complete. Also Reed is probably one of the greatest offensive play calling minds in the last 30 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 He needs to be able to complete the pass to brown when he beat defenders cleanly. A little too much air under the pass but he is making progress for sure but still needs to learn touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, BidsJr said: The only one that I am worried about beating is Mahomes. KC is going to be a nemesis for a very long time. Brady will be gone soon enough. That’ll take longer to see. Mahomes just looks ridiculous right now. Even better than last season. He shredded the raiders. 9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: When did “I’m calling it now” become the new “hear me out”..? It just happened Edited September 16, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Is he not already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: If you include availability probably. I see Wentz having a career like Luck. P.S. Be careful with pop psychology diagnoses. Some posters get offended by that. I see Wentz having a career without luck and I've always liked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 People bashing Wentz forget that he was the front-runner for MVP a couple of years ago before tearing his ACL and MCL on a dive into the endzone. He's a pretty good QB, but has had some injury issues. That being said, I don't know if you can really compare the two by their playing style. Josh is clearly the better athlete and runner. I think Josh has better escape ability in the pocket as well. Like someone, I think Bandit, said yesterday, Josh makes throws that only about 3 other QB's in the NFL can make. I don't know if there are that many. Those two throws on the run yesterday, absolute dimes. The only other QB's I think who can make those two throws are Rodgers and Mahomes. Josh is like a combo of Cam and Big Ben physically, but seems to have a will to win ala Brady. He's a competitor out there and brings up the whole energy level of this team on both sides of the ball. I have never heard anyone say that about Wentz. As a matter of fact I remember hearing chatter last year about how some in the locker room wanted Foles as the permanent starter in Philly. Either way, we have a QB on the rise and a team on the right track. After 20 years of futility idc who you compare him to, I just hope he 1) stays healthy and 2) keeps winning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Need to see Allen play a better defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Oh vey & Geez Louise! He beat the two crap teams from NYS! Move away from the Meth! Allen has not been to the Playoffs. Has not thrown for ONE 300 yard game. Completes slightly more than 50% of his passes and Wins v.s. Losses. Has more INTs than TDs. Try coming back in 5 years to see if he’s even still on the Roster. ? Try coming back in 2 WEEKS and see how he does against the best! Try leaving.? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 all I know is JA is progressing wayyyy faster than I thought he would. Mostly encouraging is how he is proving that he isnt just a phenomenal athlete but can absorb coaching info. Add that he has a locker room that fully believe in him so soon...I really like this guys future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 10 hours ago, MJS said: You say that after Wentz has a bad game, but what will you say after Allen has a bad game this year? Probably that he didn't have a bad game, the receivers let him down and the coaching staff were idiots who called bad plays. Allen's been pretty good so far but saying he is better then Wentz might be a little premature right now. Allen has barely played a full seasons worth of games in the league so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 56 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Need to see Allen play a better defense. You mean a defense like the Raiders that Mahomes chewed up yesterday? Now that was an elite secondary. The Bills play who they play. And don't lose hope, I'm sure a couple of defenses will shut Allen down and make him look like the inexperienced 2nd year project QB that he is. But then again just like you want to see Allen against better defenses I would love to see Allen with the Rams or Chiefs skill players! We can all play the glass is half empty/half full game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 11 hours ago, MJS said: You say that after Wentz has a bad game, but what will you say after Allen has a bad game this year? The same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: People bashing Wentz forget that he was the front-runner for MVP a couple of years ago before tearing his ACL and MCL on a dive into the endzone. This. Same goes for Carr before he broke his back. They both played amazing and I thought they were top 5 at their positions. Those are not easy things to come back from. Wentz seems to be starting to find that groove again and he did it without some major weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Bills2ref said: Not when Mahomes gets 40+ million a year. Will make it pretty tough to field a solid team. Whatever the highest paid QB is - i want 10 million more if I'm Mahomes. The head and shoulders money is nice, but lets be real. First contract is the selfish one. Maybe take a team discount on the 2nd one, once you've made 200 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: This. Same goes for Carr before he broke his back. They both played amazing and I thought they were top 5 at their positions. Those are not easy things to come back from. Wentz seems to be starting to find that groove again and he did it without some major weapons Actually, Carr broke his leg the year he was playing lights out. Carr broke his back last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, H2o said: People bashing Wentz forget that he was the front-runner for MVP a couple of years ago before tearing his ACL and MCL on a dive into the endzone. He's a pretty good QB, but has had some injury issues. That being said, I don't know if you can really compare the two by their playing style. Josh is clearly the better athlete and runner. I think Josh has better escape ability in the pocket as well. Like someone, I think Bandit, said yesterday, Josh makes throws that only about 3 other QB's in the NFL can make. I don't know if there are that many. Those two throws on the run yesterday, absolute dimes. The only other QB's I think who can make those two throws are Rodgers and Mahomes. Josh is like a combo of Cam and Big Ben physically, but seems to have a will to win ala Brady. He's a competitor out there and brings up the whole energy level of this team on both sides of the ball. I have never heard anyone say that about Wentz. As a matter of fact I remember hearing chatter last year about how some in the locker room wanted Foles as the permanent starter in Philly. Either way, we have a QB on the rise and a team on the right track. After 20 years of futility idc who you compare him to, I just hope he 1) stays healthy and 2) keeps winning. Ironically those two incredible throws on the run were the only ones that felt like they were dumb throws as they were happening. Then you saw it hit pass catchers hands perfectly while in motion and realized it’s dumb for Tyrol or Fitz to try those throws... but josh has the arm to do it. there were 4 inaccurate throws I recall all game. In no particular order -deep to brown was off off by a mile -slant to Zay behind him... -end zone to Zay in front and low... elite WR catches that(not sure anyone on Bills roster does, maybe Cole) - deep to wide open Isaiah McKenzie... caught but so high he was unable to RAC Side note, that intentional grounding (declined due to Cody PF)... he was well out of the tackle box. Didn’t get it. Edited September 16, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Whatever the highest paid QB is - i want 10 million more if I'm Mahomes. The head and shoulders money is nice, but lets be real. First contract is the selfish one. Maybe take a team discount on the 2nd one, once you've made 200 million. Mahomes is going to get paid, no doubt. I think the Chiefs try to get a deal done next year if they are smart. The price tag is only going to keep going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: Actually, Carr broke his leg the year he was playing lights out. Carr broke his back last year. Oh, my mistake. Then he has no excuse to not be a legend already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 10 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: Since when was being better than Carson Wentz the goal? Has Wentz played in the season yet? Aim higher. If he plays better than healthy Wentz then Beane has hit a home run. Wentz can win MVP’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: Mahomes is going to get paid, no doubt. I think the Chiefs try to get a deal done next year if they are smart. The price tag is only going to keep going up. I think he’ll get 40 mil and it will ruin the team. Someone else will pay him if they won’t and they already have some salaries. However, the way they got no name WR’s to look like Moss yesterday scares me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Wentz is damn good, I won't put JA over him yet but if he continues on his trajectory it's very possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Virgil said: Oh, my mistake. Then he has no excuse to not be a legend already No, I was just stating the injury my friend. I understand your point about injuries getting guys off trajectory though. Coaching can have the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, dneveu said: Whatever the highest paid QB is - i want 10 million more if I'm Mahomes. The head and shoulders money is nice, but lets be real. First contract is the selfish one. Maybe take a team discount on the 2nd one, once you've made 200 million. We’ll see- you’ve seen his agent in that all star commercial. Doesn’t seem very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, H2o said: No, I was just stating the injury my friend. I understand your point about injuries getting guys off trajectory though. Coaching can have the same effect. You’re good boss. Sarcasm doesn’t translate to well on forums. I need to use italics, as somehow I think that should matter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Virgil said: However, the way [the Chiefs] got no name WR’s to look like Moss yesterday scares me They found their QB last year and are at the stage of bringing in personnel specifically to complement his strengths. Beane will be in the same position 2020, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Obvious right? I’ll add watching Wentz as if he were Allen, I saw more inaccurate passes, less athleticism, and other subtleties that tell me Allen will be a better nfl QB than Wentz, if he’s not already passed him. Wentz played very well in the first game. And Allen still hasn't hit on a deep pass yet. All have been overthrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_Allen Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Allen, for all the comparisons to Cam Newton, will have a much better career I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Oh vey & Geez Louise! He beat the two crap teams from NYS! Move away from the Meth! Allen has not been to the Playoffs. Has not thrown for ONE 300 yard game. Completes slightly more than 50% of his passes and Wins v.s. Losses. Has more INTs than TDs. Try coming back in 5 years to see if he’s even still on the Roster. ? Try coming back in 2 WEEKS and see how he does against the best! You seem like the kind of guy who would b!tch about an interception thrown in the 3rd quarter of our first Super Bowl win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: You seem like the kind of guy who would b!tch about an interception thrown in the 3rd quarter of our first Super Bowl win. Of course not. My testimony & I’m sticking to it, is that I saw a few of those IN PERSON @ XXV & XXVII! Those teams were composed of multiple players in Canton now! Just saying... let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Two decent road wins against also rans. Let’s see some outstanding performances and preferably, against Playoff bound teams, before we anoint Allen as the Second Coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Im not going to claim Allen is or will be better than Wentz but I have always thought that the people that are hyper critical about Allen need to watch other QBs with the same level of scrutiny. When someone comes on here and says "The ball was 1 foot behind him, that is an easy pitch and catch for a starting QB" or complains about a ball being every so slightly off from Allen, the only QB capable of meeting their expectations is maybe Brees. QBs that are considered serious Franchise QBs miss passes all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: "We drafted the wrong Josh"??? Is it safe to lock up the archives vault on those threads (or avatars) yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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