Will Patriots release Antonio Brown?

[muppy]

will they release him? Not a chance. I'd be shocked.

 

But I will look forward to hearing the fans of opposing teams at every away stadium heckle the living bejesus out of the guy for what he has admittedly written and done in those texts.  What a scumbag. If being spit on can be considered assault the sexual equivalent 100X worse He should be convicted on that alone and Then give him the boot.

[PlayoffsPlease]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Got it now.  Sick.  In general I side with the woman's story in most instances.  

So you are in the guilty until proven innocent camp. 

Personally, I am on the side of "I was not there and don't know"
 

In a civil suit, one side stands to make money.  One stands too lose money and reputation.  Both have motives to either lie or tell the truth. It is the literal definition of prejudice to make a judgement based on one sides claims only. 

[x-BillzeBubba]

NE hasn't issued him a jersey number...probably wont

 

 

[DCofNC]

29 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

i am taking what @MAJBobby Bobby says at heart. This is a one year prove it deal, the Pats could have made it two years with no guarantees. But the option is actually better for the player and the club.

 

1) Player gets to know early in league year whether he is apart of club or not..no getting cut week before the season(assume there are some guarantees with the option)

2) Club gets compensatory compensation if they move on

 

Bills had several of these types of 1 year deals with FA's this year, this structure may be better way to go 

 

The thing is, it's not better for the player.  This is similar to a franchise tag, except if the team activates it, the player cannot refuse to sign it and try to force a long term deal.  They are under contract, period.   They now have no leverage to negotiate a long term deal for more money at all, there is nobody to bid against the team that owns their rights, no possibility of movement.  No player looking for a real "prove it" deal is going to give up their rights to free agency and let the team control their future, its a horrible deal for them.  Players are after guaranteed money, the more, the better.  Getting stuck to a one year deal is not in their best interests.  This is exactly why players hate the franchise tag, they get stuck with one year of guarantees and absolutely nothing beyond that.  If they get hurt, the team decides their too old, etc.  They are out on their ass with nothing.  In a long term deal, you get paid money upfront in exchange for giving up your rights to movement.   In exchange for the upfront portion, the team has you locked down to the deal at the current market value until the end of the contract, usually both sides feel pretty good about it.   The team is the only one who wins in a one year deal, their risk is minimized and they get all the benefit, even moreso with a team option, if they want out, boom its over, if they want the player they have the power to keep them at a minimum risk again, player takes all the risk.  Its stupid for a player to agree to it, which makes Brown taking less than shocking, but his agent must have pulled the wool over his eyes in an attempt to get paid himself.

[Say When...]

1 hour ago, thronethinker said:

He masturbated and came on her back while they were watching a church video. Now that is just some very disturbing things regardless.   

I wonder if the DA can pursue criminal charges even if the accuser doesn't file a report. At this point would they need a report if the allegations are now public knowledge?

 

whats criminal is how does one work up a few knucklechildren looking at the back of her head watching a church video?  then on top of that how did he miss his couch?  did he make her clean it up? the couch?

 

am i on the wrong line of thinking?

[Bruce Harper]

They will say something like we are going to let the justice system play out and let him settle the case.  Then act like that proves something.   But they are pissed off on the timing as it makes them look bad.  Again.

[plenzmd1]

19 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

The thing is, it's not better for the player.  This is similar to a franchise tag, except if the team activates it, the player cannot refuse to sign it and try to force a long term deal.  They are under contract, period.   They now have no leverage to negotiate a long term deal for more money at all, there is nobody to bid against the team that owns their rights, no possibility of movement.  No player looking for a real "prove it" deal is going to give up their rights to free agency and let the team control their future, its a horrible deal for them.  Players are after guaranteed money, the more, the better.  Getting stuck to a one year deal is not in their best interests.  This is exactly why players hate the franchise tag, they get stuck with one year of guarantees and absolutely nothing beyond that.  If they get hurt, the team decides their too old, etc.  They are out on their ass with nothing.  In a long term deal, you get paid money upfront in exchange for giving up your rights to movement.   In exchange for the upfront portion, the team has you locked down to the deal at the current market value until the end of the contract, usually both sides feel pretty good about it.   The team is the only one who wins in a one year deal, their risk is minimized and they get all the benefit, even moreso with a team option, if they want out, boom its over, if they want the player they have the power to keep them at a minimum risk again, player takes all the risk.  Its stupid for a player to agree to it, which makes Brown taking less than shocking, but his agent must have pulled the wool over his eyes in an attempt to get paid himself.

Think this is where are speaking two different languages. The Pats most likely made a 2nd year option a condition up front. No second year, no deal. Now, they may have a tacit agreeemnt that thenPats will not pick it up, but right now they get to spread his signing bonus over two years. 

 

Having said that, I am sure part of the condition of the “ option” is money is guaranteed, and has to be exercised by day day 3 of league year. 

 

That is the part that is better than just tacking a second year on   

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

this tweet NSFW

The translation.  LOL. Thought we had to give Beaver Cleavers mom a call and sort it all out.

[Punching Bag]

51 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

In exchange for the upfront portion, the team has you locked down to the deal at the current market value until the end of the contract, usually both sides feel pretty good about it.   

 

Of course you could do what a lot of players do get multiyear contract with signing bonus and when they are happy just sit out or fake an injury until either team gives up or they cannot afford contract for they needed to pay someone else to do job player already agreed to.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Didn’t sound like Belichick is that worried about it. He said we looked into it, but stoped short of saying there is nothing to it. The league will look into this and nothing will happen.

[MAJBobby]

39 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Think this is where are speaking two different languages. The Pats most likely made a 2nd year option a condition up front. No second year, no deal. Now, they may have a tacit agreeemnt that thenPats will not pick it up, but right now they get to spread his signing bonus over two years. 

 

Having said that, I am sure part of the condition of the “ option” is money is guaranteed, and has to be exercised by day day 3 of league year. 

 

That is the part that is better than just tacking a second year on   

This is correct. I think the number is 20M, so if they pick up that 2nd year option it is 20M guaranteed for one year.  So it is essentially his chance to make the 29M that he tossed from the Raiders back with NE.  and NE covers themselves with not having the option so they could let him walk and put him into their Compensatory Pool.  

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

 

This is why they will not release him, because it will be 5.5M dead cap this year and 4.5M dead cap next year.  They will play him until he is either suspended or put on the Commish Exempt list.  Either of those happen they will likely go back after the signing Bonus of 9M

Edited September 11, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Lol, AB has more threads than Josh Allen on this board

 

Naw.

[boater]

Will they release: No.

 

Their rationale will be: It's a he said/she said situation, we'll wait for the courts to hand down an answer. Until then, he plays.

 

Prediction: This unfolds in slow motion and he plays the entire season.

[MAJBobby]

Will say one thing Drew is really earning his money with Brown.

 

 

Just now, boater said:

Will they release: No.

 

Their rationale will be: It's a he said/she said situation, we'll wait for the courts to hand down an answer. Until then, he plays.

 

Prediction: This unfolds in slow motion and he plays the entire season.

 

My Prediction is that he goes on the Commish Exempt list.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...The Commish will come knocking not once, but twice.......think he'll investigate potential personal conduct policy violation(s) for threatening physical violence versus Mayock.....and all of this right after Helmetgate......bet Rog is thrilled.....

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, DCofNC said:

They didn't guarantee *****. 1 Million at signing and the rest is set up as game by game checks, if he is on the team he gets paid, otherwise he's out on his ass.

 

Right, it costs next to nothing to release him.  I don't think AT THIS TIME they will do it.

Currently AB has his lawyers/agent doing his talking..............anyone  want to bet it stays that way?

If he keeps his mouth shut everything should be OK until this gets sorted out.

I'm betting he can't.

 

[Rocket94]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Right, it costs next to nothing to release him.  I don't think AT THIS TIME they will do it.

Currently AB has his lawyers/agent doing his talking..............anyone  want to bet it stays that way?

If he keeps his mouth shut everything should be OK until this gets sorted out.

I'm betting he can't.

 

You are right...the temptation to be heard is too great.

[plenzmd1]

17 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Right, it costs next to nothing to release him.  I don't think AT THIS TIME they will do it.

Currently AB has his lawyers/agent doing his talking..............anyone  want to bet it stays that way?

If he keeps his mouth shut everything should be OK until this gets sorted out.

I'm betting he can't.

 

did yall see this from @MAJBobby?

 

Guaranteed $10M, $9M was at signing..$10 M dead cap if they cut him

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/ 

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

You are right...the temptation to be heard is too great.

 

I can see him keeping quiet for a couple of weeks then who knows.

Funny, that would take him to Bills/Pats* week.

[x-BillzeBubba]

 

[RyanC883]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Lol, AB has more threads than Josh Allen on this board

 

AB is in our division, "almost" came here, and JA is a quiet leader who lets his play and performance speak for itself.  AB lends himself to more posts during the week.  

[Rocket94]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

I can see him keeping quiet for a couple of weeks then who knows.

Funny, that would take him to Bills/Pats* week.

How fitting. Like there isnt enough going on already. That game is big for Bills fans, Pats fans probably predict another win.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

did yall see this from @MAJBobby?

 

Guaranteed $10M, $9M was at signing..$10 M dead cap if they cut him

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/ 

 

My bad.  Still think his mouth gets him in trouble again.

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

AB is in our division, "almost" came here, and JA is a quiet leader who lets his play and performance speak for itself.  AB lends himself to more posts during the week.  

Not on a Bills site...

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Will say one thing Drew is really earning his money with Brown.

 

 

 

My Prediction is that he goes on the Commish Exempt list.

 

A measly $75,000 lawsuit is a hard thing to argue is a "money grab" on a multi million dollar athlete being accused of rape and sexual assault multiple times.  

[RyanC883]

53 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Didn’t sound like Belichick is that worried about it. He said we looked into it, but stoped short of saying there is nothing to it. The league will look into this and nothing will happen.

 

"The Patriot Way!" 

  

Edited September 11, 2019 by RyanC883

[row_33]

14 hours ago, uticaclub said:

The Patriots culture is talent and doing whatever it takes to win. 

 

you'd think other teams might pay attention to this?

 

especially in the Pats division the last 17, 18, 200 years?

 

[Behindenemylines]

Just wondering if Brady has taken back his offer to lend AB his house?  Or at least bring his own sheets....

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Personally, I think the combination of behavior should warrant the NFL to put him on the exempt list. The sexual allegations are only a part of the whole picture. Everything from the helmet BS to missing practices to threatening a GM should be considered. The NFL needs to get the players under control and the AB situation if not dealt with will launch prima donnas across the league to act any way they want.  Miami players who want out will act accordingly. Curb this mess now and send a message that this behavior is not tolerated. 

 

[Behindenemylines]

44 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

A measly $75,000 lawsuit is a hard thing to argue is a "money grab" on a multi million dollar athlete being accused of rape and sexual assault multiple times.  

 

29 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

you'd think other teams might pay attention to this?

 

especially in the Pats division the last 17, 18, 200 years?

 

But arent they ALWAYS innocent?  Shouldn’t we trust what AB is saying, he’s never lead anyone astray or misrepresented before.  I see this getting very ugly very fast, and very expensive.  Not saying it did happen, but reading the texts I seems like he did do some nasty things-not necessarily rape but other things.  His own arrogance will be used against him, but I see a payoff with no admission of guilt settling this. I hope however Goodell does what he did to AP and others.   Let the legal system work, but the player cant play until its settled civilly or criminally.  

[wppete]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Will say one thing Drew is really earning his money with Brown.

 

 

 

My Prediction is that he goes on the Commish Exempt list.

 

Lawyers and sports agents are scumbags. So is AB.

[BillsFan17]

15 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

They will have to eventually, especially considering Krafty Bob's recent legal entanglement. Boston sports writers are fanboys but the actual news reporters are going to savage the Patriots.

Yes, the Patriots are clearly an organization that gives a ***** about how they are perceived.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

did yall see this from @MAJBobby?

 

Guaranteed $10M, $9M was at signing..$10 M dead cap if they cut him

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/ 

According to reports later, I'm not sure that is a accurate.  The way it was exllained is he got a 1 Million guarantee at signing and weekly roster bonuses that total 9 million in guaranteed money as long as he is on the roster.  With extra bonuses on top for performance that could take it to 15M.  Theres a HUGE difference between what was originally reported, as Sportrac has it a d the later explaination of it.  Being that he's a known trouble maker, I find it hard to believe BB wouldn't structure the contract accordingly.  If he didn't, awesome, but i have my doubts.

[PromoTheRobot]

38 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Yes, the Patriots are clearly an organization that gives a ***** about how they are perceived.

 

Ha ha ha. Do you work for them? How do you know what they think? Trust me. They DON'T like the negative press they get from players and their owners. It hurts their bottom line.

[Behindenemylines]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Ha ha ha. Do you work for them? How do you know what they think? Trust me. They DON'T like the negative press they get from players and their owners. It hurts their bottom line.

Living here in New England, just north of Boston I hear lots of things from lots of people.  Most think AB is a jerk, but “if anyone can straighten him out it BB!  So give him a chance”. I think however that the Pats themselves only care about the next ring as the dynasty IS actually ending.  Too much going on with them.  In this instance I think BB knew of the issue and expected AB to go on the list.  He then gets off it when the case is settled out of court just in time for the playoff push.  Undamaged and physically ready.  If he cant settle it or wont settle it or charges are placed criminally, then it was only a million dollar gamble-no big loss.    Just my thoughts

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I have a feeling the title on this thread will be changed in a few day to Brown released.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I actually think Antonio Brown being on the Patriots will destroy them from the inside out anyway.

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said:

 

But arent they ALWAYS innocent?  Shouldn’t we trust what AB is saying, he’s never lead anyone astray or misrepresented before.  I see this getting very ugly very fast, and very expensive.  Not saying it did happen, but reading the texts I seems like he did do some nasty things-not necessarily rape but other things.  His own arrogance will be used against him, but I see a payoff with no admission of guilt settling this. I hope however Goodell does what he did to AP and others.   Let the legal system work, but the player cant play until its settled civilly or criminally.  

 

i've seen about a dozen phony accusations in my real life through the years

 

until something is proven i tried not to judge

 

for famous people this isn't even water off a duck's back for all i care

 

 

[Chris66]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

This is correct. I think the number is 20M, so if they pick up that 2nd year option it is 20M guaranteed for one year.  So it is essentially his chance to make the 29M that he tossed from the Raiders back with NE.  and NE covers themselves with not having the option so they could let him walk and put him into their Compensatory Pool.  

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/antonio-brown-6702/

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

 

This is why they will not release him, because it will be 5.5M dead cap this year and 4.5M dead cap next year.  They will play him until he is either suspended or put on the Commish Exempt list.  Either of those happen they will likely go back after the signing Bonus of 9M

Thats not accurate. AB has a clause in the contract that states if he does anything to embarrass himself or the team it can be voided. Also the signing bonus is in 2 parts 4 million now and the other 5 later in the year. 1st payment isnt due till sept 23rd. So if pats cut him in the next couple of days they are off the hook.

[row_33]

26 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Thats not accurate. AB has a clause in the contract that states if he does anything to embarrass himself or the team it can be voided. Also the signing bonus is in 2 parts 4 million now and the other 5 later in the year. 1st payment isnt due till sept 23rd. So if pats cut him in the next couple of days they are off the hook.

 

he is fine until sentenced or his accomplishments on the field tail off considerably