4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 hours ago, StHustle said: Ok well let me rephrase. When has a celeb on the level of Antonio Brown been accused of rape and it didn't become public knowledge until well after? People are saying that we arent sure if she did file a criminal complaint or not. My point is if she had filed a criminal complaint, we would have already heard about it. I'll try to think of one while I'm eating this delicious box of Jello pudding pops. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 8 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: One for about the "if she had hard evidence, he would be charged with a crime, suspicious she is suing him instead" crowd. Civil and criminal courts are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS with different standards of evidence. Have you all forgotten Deflategate already, and the term "preponderance of evidence"? She might just have evidence that is GOOD ENOUGH for civil court, but not good enough for a criminal charge. So it's not automatically suspicious or a "cash grab" that she is suing him instead of this being in a criminal proceeding. I'm sure if she had the "smoking gun", there would be charges instead. Can’t stress this enough. Civil burden of proof is preponderance of evidence rather than “beyond reasonable doubt” so everyone here saying he’s “innocent until proven guilty” are a little ahead of the game. You also have to consider the “statute of limitations” (the time in which you must commence a civil action). Not sure what FL’s SOL is for intentional tort, but in NY you must commence action within one year after the alleged assault. So I can see her commencing the lawsuit now to preserve her right to a civil judgment. The “statute of limitations” for the criminal charge of rape is much longer than one year. Don’t be surprised when the FL authorities investigate from a criminal standpoint. As we saw with Tyreek Hill, they can open and re-open criminal investigations if evidence is uncovered. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: They met in a Bible study group. That’s beautiful. I heard the study topic, the month they joined, was "J on yer B in the Bible Study". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JinxedBill1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: quick point here..this is a civil suit and not criminal as of now..preponderance of the evidence vs beyond a reasonable doubt Not really a guilt thing, ask OJ Gotcha. I’m just not a fan of the whole if she says it happens then he loses his job, reputation, etc. automatically. I know its AB and he’s an assclown but still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 hours ago, MJS said: Interesting. Is there evidence enough for him to be placed on the commissioner's exempt list? The league is investigating currently per the statement from the team. Because there isn’t a criminal suit pending , they don’t need to wait. Also, the accuser said she will cooperate fully with the nfl which should help the investigation because the nfl can’t subpeona non players or non nfl employees. 1 minute ago, JinxedBill1 said: Gotcha. I’m just not a fan of the whole if she says it happens then he loses his job, reputation, etc. automatically. I know its AB and he’s an assclown but still. That’s why the Nfl does an investigation 55 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: Regardless of his past, he is still innocent until proven guilty. Not by Roger’s standards. Zeke was never charged with anything. 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They left out "...unless it takes place in a strip mall". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 She claims he texted her and apologized and even had him send a letter he wouldn’t do it again. If she has that info he’s done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Under no ALL circumstance does this organization patronization condone sexual violence or assault doing anything it can to win, not withstanding ignoring criminal behavior, hiring murderers, supporting PEDelman, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said: Gotcha. I’m just not a fan of the whole if she says it happens then he loses his job, reputation, etc. automatically. I know its AB and he’s an assclown but still. I think I read somewhere (in AB’s eloquent email/text to the woman) that he masturbated to completion on her back while she watched tv. And he laughed about it. That’s a “she said/he agreed”. I don’t see anything wrong with suing his ass. As for his reputation....he should think twice before clicking “send” because those are his own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: I think I read somewhere (in AB’s eloquent email/text to the woman) that he masturbated to completion on her back while she watched tv. And he laughed about it. That’s a “she said/he agreed”. I don’t see anything wrong with suing his ass. As for his reputation....he should think twice before clicking “send” because those are his own words. Technically they weren't actually words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I don’t think Big Ben’s accuser(s) filed criminal charges either. Civil suits will get you the wrath of the nfl too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think Big Ben’s accuser(s) filed criminal charges either. Civil suits will get you the wrath of the nfl too. Didn't been get zippo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: I heard the study topic, the month they joined, was "J on yer B in the Bible Study". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 This is so satisfying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Didn't been get zippo? 6 games, he appealed it down to 4 I think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I'll try to think of one while I'm eating this delicious box of Jello pudding pops. What year do you think the media first reported on the Cosby allegations??? You are proving my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 man, usually like GMFB on NFL network..no mention of AB stuff yet..wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not Suspension. Commissioner's Exempt List. Different. I have never advocated SUSPENDING him, that would require a rush to judgement. If you place him on an exempt list you are precluding him from playing. That is a rush to judgment. In my view it is still too early in the process after the accusation to take an action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: When’s the last time you heard or read a white athlete, or any white guy, called a thug? What about that guy that dove into the back of Josh Allen’s knees the other day? Did you hear or see anyone call him a “thug?” Do get lost. I've used It a lot and so have some of my friends regarding white people. There are plenty of white thugs out there. What would you say if you saw a white guy robbing an old lady? I better go stop that misbehaving caucasian fella? Edited September 11, 2019 by Bubba Gump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Even if it's a not true, this will follow Ne around all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 6 games, he appealed it down to 4 I think 42 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Didn't been get zippo? LeSean McCoy got no punishment when he was sued. Of course those allegations were not sexual assault, but they were still quite serious if true. I think the NFL will make a subjective decision on credibility and PR damage before they take action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you place him on an exempt list you are precluding him from playing. That is a rush to judgment. In my view it is still too early in the process after the accusation to take an action. shield is more important than anything else. Those emails are enough to at least lend some credence the accusations. AB is still paid, but gives the NFL some time to interview the accuser and any associates. Not sure what it portends, but the flagship program for the league has not reported this story ar all..that is really weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Where’s the outcry and protest lines from the Me Too movement in liberal New England? Or doesn’t it count when it’s a Patriot player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: LeSean McCoy got no punishment when he was sued. Of course those allegations were not sexual assault, but they were still quite serious if true. I think the NFL will make a subjective decision on credibility and PR damage before they take action. They investigated both. McCoy got nothing and Ben got 6 games before appeal. They must not have found anything with McCoy to tie him to the accusations. It’s not arbitrary. Edited September 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Now it makes sense. Kraft brought in AB in hopes that AB's legal trouble will overshadow his own. Genius! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They investigated both. McCoy got nothing and Ben got 6 games before appeal. They must not have found anything with McCoy to tie him to the accusations. It’s not arbitrary. So, they will likely investigate the AB allegations before taking action. The level of evidence is not yet clear, although one presumes it is not enough for criminal charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just now, HalftimeAdjustment said: So, they will likely investigate the AB allegations before taking action. The level of evidence is not yet clear, although one presumes it is not enough for criminal charges. They will investigate and determine whether to put him on the exempt list first. The accuser said she intends to cooperate with the NFL, which is typically the biggest hurdle because they aren’t allowed to subpoena her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 11 hours ago, Limeaid said: What I cannot understand if these occurred in different states / times how anyone raped would allow themselves to be along with raper again. This. If it is so traumatic, and one is on notice of sexual assault proclivity, why in the world, is this accuser then putting herself in that position continuously? Weak suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Josina Anderson said on sportcenter that the language alone used in his communication toward her could lead to discipline from the nfl. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Nothing on NFL.com about it, in fact the first story they have is the PATS trading DT to Jets....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Josina Anderson said on sportcenter that the language alone used in his communication toward her could lead to discipline from the nfl. I believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Suspend him for this week I can’t take another L in fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Josina Anderson said on sportcenter that the language alone used in his communication toward her could lead to discipline from the nfl. If the reported communications are accurate that seems likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 48 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you place him on an exempt list you are precluding him from playing. That is a rush to judgment. In my view it is still too early in the process after the accusation to take an action. Yeah, I dislike AB but everybody deserves to have to facts looked at before it impacts their livelihood. There is plenty of time for an investigation and still suspend him this year if the facts warrant it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Josina Anderson said on sportcenter that the language alone used in his communication toward her could lead to discipline from the nfl. I've been saying this since last - what a bad look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Patrick Chung is going through the legal process with Cocaine possession.... the Kraft Prostitution thing.... the shine has to start to come off the Patriot way sooner or later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 This seems pretty believable, if only because it follows the same exact pattern as Brown's actions with the Raiders: Act like an ***hole Issue a (supposedly) heartfelt apology Act like an even bigger ***hole Add in the fact that Brown is a complete douchebag who doesn't think the rules apply to him, and it's really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo86 said: This seems pretty believable, if only because it follows the same exact pattern as Brown's actions with the Raiders: Act like an ***hole Issue a (supposedly) heartfelt apology Act like an even bigger ***hole Add in the fact that Brown is a complete douchebag who doesn't think the rules apply to him, and it's really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has a pattern of narcissistic behavior consistent with a rapist. No, I’m not saying he’s guilty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He has a pattern of narcissistic behavior consistent with a rapist. No, I’m not saying he’s guilty. Me neither. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising if he is guilty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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