Royale with Cheese Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It's time to stop asking for more out of the players. These guys kill their bodies for our entertainment, lets not kill it more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I wonder if the players would take one more regular season game in trade for 2 less preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 10:36 AM, ColoradoBills said: So if Shady and Gore split the 1st offensive play for each game who is the "regular" starter? Any way you cut it, it's a stupid idea IMO. Teams would have to designate to the league who their regular starter is. Yes, there would be bumps to work out, but it could work. And if Shady and Gore each started 8 games, the limits would not apply to them. The key is the teams would have a moral obligation not to pull anything shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Tenhigh said: I wonder if the players would take one more regular season game in trade for 2 less preseason games. So, half of the league would have 9 home games and the other half 8? I know, I know, one game could be played at a neutral site, teams could alternate the extra home game on an annual basis, etc. But the logistical nightmare a 17 game season presents won't be worth the headaches. Leave it at 16...less is more here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 more playoff spots, give fans of a 4-8 team hope for a miracle finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) Remove one preseason game, add a second bye week, that will generate more income than the 4th preseason game. If you want to remove a second preseason game then add teams to the playoffs. I also think instead of a preseason game they could have some kind of fan appreciation event/pep rally at all 32 stadiums, make it a TV event where they bounce around from stadium to stadium. Let the players speak to the fans, talk trash about the Pats etc. 18 games sucks Edited July 17, 2019 by mattynh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, mattynh said: Remove one preseason game, add a second bye week, that will generate more income than the 4th preseason game. If you remove 1 preseason game some would have 2 home games and 1 away game with others 2 away games and 1 home game. Do you not think there will be issues? It would also cost some teams money because they charge for all of the games and fans would demand that prices be reduced even though many complain about preseason game cost. Also there are teams which do sell out preseason games plus get parking, concessions, sales, etc. Because they add a week with same number of regular season games I do not think FOX and CBS will pay for extra week since not in contract. Maybe ABC and whoever is doing Thursday night games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: If you remove 1 preseason game some would have 2 home games and 1 away game with others 2 away games and 1 home game. Do you not think there will be issues? It would also cost some teams money because they charge for all of the games and fans would demand that prices be reduced even though many complain about preseason game cost. Also there are teams which do sell out preseason games plus get parking, concessions, sales, etc. Because they add a week with same number of regular season games I do not think FOX and CBS will pay for extra week since not in contract. Maybe ABC and whoever is doing Thursday night games. Three preseason games. Either alternate each year 1 home game then two home games. Heck I would consider each team play at a neutral site for one preseason game. That may help grow the key age. Then Each team only has one preseason game. Fans happy. The teams would lose money on a preseason game but they would more than make it back with the extra week of tv revenue. That is my point. Tv out weighs game day revenue at a stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Uhg! This topic again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Easy hey NFL you want 18 games. Fine. NFLPA will give you 18 games. What you have to give up to get 18 games is just a little FULLY GUARANTEED CONTRACTS. On 7/17/2019 at 9:14 AM, Royale with Cheese said: It's time to stop asking for more out of the players. These guys kill their bodies for our entertainment, lets not kill it more. Players will take an 18 game schedule. However in order to get it the Owners better be ready to pony up FULL GUARANTEED contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/17/2019 at 9:36 AM, Tenhigh said: I wonder if the players would take one more regular season game in trade for 2 less preseason games. I don't know why people think taking out 2 pre season games would soften the blow of adding 1 or 2 regular season games. The starters barely play in game one of the pre season and they don't play at all in game 4. Effectively for the main players on the roster they only play 2 preseason games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 2:08 PM, RevWarRifleman said: Uhg! This topic again? Thank you for help bumping it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Expanding the playoff format is a better idea then adding 2 games to the regular season IMO. I think the players might be more agreeable. Towards the end of the season we have teams more interested in the next draft playing teams preparing for the playoffs. I would prefer two 8 and 8 teams fighting to advance over a 14 - 2 team playing a 3 - 13 team in a meaningless game. Edited July 20, 2019 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Figster said: Expanding the playoff format is a better idea then adding 2 games to the regular season IMO. I think the players might be more agreeable. Towards the end of the season we have teams more interested in the next draft playing teams preparing for the playoffs. I would prefer two 8 and 8 teams fighting to advance over a 14 - 2 team playing a 3 - 13 team in a meaningless game. Yup...expand the teams that make the playoffs from 6 to 8 in each conference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Yup...expand the teams that make the playoffs from 6 to 8 in each conference. I like the idea of a bye week into round 2 as an incentive to finish in the top 2. Home field is nothing to sneeze at but the bye is a much greater reward and makes the regular season mean much more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 7/18/2019 at 2:45 PM, MAJBobby said: Easy hey NFL you want 18 games. Fine. NFLPA will give you 18 games. What you have to give up to get 18 games is just a little FULLY GUARANTEED CONTRACTS. Players will take an 18 game schedule. However in order to get it the Owners better be ready to pony up FULL GUARANTEED contracts. LOL.....guaranteed contracts will never happen in pro football. Not a chance. They already have guaranteed signing bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 15 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: LOL.....guaranteed contracts will never happen in pro football. Not a chance. They already have guaranteed signing bonuses. Then they will NEVER get their 18 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 This would force huge changes in the game, particularly in the way rosters are built and evolved through the season. Quality QBs are already very hard to come by. With this, every team would NEED a quality backup QB who would get at least two starts a season. Not to mention safeties, kickers, punters, long snappers, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Then they will NEVER get their 18 games Sure they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share Posted July 21, 2019 21 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: LOL.....guaranteed contracts will never happen in pro football. Not a chance. They already have guaranteed signing bonuses. not for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Sure they will. What are they giving up for 18 games guaranteed contracts? Franchise and Transition Tags? earlier entry into UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 22 hours ago, MAJBobby said: What are they giving up for 18 games guaranteed contracts? Franchise and Transition Tags? earlier entry into UFA? Prorating their salaries. There is no way they will give guaranteed deals to players. If they did, you would see 90 percent plus have one year deals after their rookie deals ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: Prorating their salaries. There is no way they will give guaranteed deals to players. If they did, you would see 90 percent plus have one year deals after their rookie deals ran out. Didnt answer the question. What would Owners give up to get an 18 game Schedule? Prorating Salary isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Didnt answer the question. What would Owners give up to get an 18 game Schedule? Prorating Salary isn’t it. Yeah, I did answer the question. Just because I didn’t answer it the way you wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t answered. Your original statement was they would have to give guaranteed contracts. Ain’t happening. No way, no how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 2:25 PM, nucci said: not for everyone Mostly just those written by Jim Overdorf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, I did answer the question. Just because I didn’t answer it the way you wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t answered. Your original statement was they would have to give guaranteed contracts. Ain’t happening. No way, no how. Neither is a 18 game schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 sorry I missed the last 5 pages https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/mcdermott-prefers-keeping-it-four-preseason-games Put Sean McDermott down on the “keep it the way it is” side when it comes to the debate over the number of preseason games each NFL teams plays. The Buffalo Bills head coach sounds like he’s open to possibly having a three-game preseason, but made it clear he doesn’t think two would be a good idea. “I honestly think we’re at a good number right now,” McDermott said about each team playing four exhibition games. “I say that, part of it is probably habit. As long as I’ve been in the league it’s been four. I think somewhere in that three-to-four range, you should know what you’ve got and how you want to shape it coming out of those three-to-four games.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Not sure how much of an update this is (being ESPN and all) https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27474730/sources-owners-push-expanded-season Sources: Owners push for an expanded season Sources who have been briefed on the current state of CBA negotiations told ESPN that there has been little substantive progress in talks so far. The players' side is determined to up its share of the revenue pool in the next CBA, while the owners so far have indicated that they're not interested in discussing the revenue split absent a discussion on the possibility of expanding the season. No concrete proposals have been submitted by the owners' side regarding the specifics of an expanded season, the sources said. Ideas that have been discussed include expanding the regular season to 18 games, expanding the regular season to 17 games or simply adding an extra round of playoffs. All of those concepts would include a reduction in the number of preseason games -- an idea both sides favor. cont'd.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 There are already over 250 regular season games. Can’t the league just figure out how to get more out of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) I think a fair compromise would be an 18 game season with two byes and no preseason. Gives the league 20 weeks of live action, gives the fans 2 more real games, gives the players an additional week off during the season and no terrible preseason. Also, make the Hall of Fame Game a special game during the regular season. Maybe a Sunday night game halfway through the season. Edited August 27, 2019 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 There are 22 starters (ignoring kickers). With 18 games that means you need to rest 1 player on offense and 1 player on defense every week. And for three games rest 2 on each side. Would hardly ruin the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Maybe less preseason games but more practice time. All I know is that early season is sloppy as hell, sometimes it's hard to watch. Maybe it's always been that way but I don't remember it that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There are already over 250 regular season games. Can’t the league just figure out how to get more out of them? Because the owners need to start building up "negotiation capitol" for the upcoming collective bargaining talks. They start the campaign for an 18-game season now, build as much momentum for it as possible, and then give way during negotiations so that the players association can claim a victory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Because the owners need to start building up "negotiation capitol" for the upcoming collective bargaining talks. They start the campaign for an 18-game season now, build as much momentum for it as possible, and then give way during negotiations so that the players association can claim a victory. Evil genius. I knew a manufacturing supervisor in Germany that dealt with unions the same way. Creating leverage out of nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Because the owners need to start building up "negotiation capitol" for the upcoming collective bargaining talks. They start the campaign for an 18-game season now, build as much momentum for it as possible, and then give way during negotiations so that the players association can claim a victory. Their leverage is a lockout, or even a strike. The owners have already been paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 oh wait.... Jerry Jones: NFL is “evaluating” preseason length when Jerry talks does anyone listen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 It. Will happen at some point, at the same time, pot will not be tested for anymore, total team will go up to 63, and they will be able to dress 5 additional players on game day, and everyone will get a raise. Or something very close to this. As Fans we really don’t care about players health in any real way, lip service sure, but that’s about it, so that’s a non issue for fans. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 7/23/2019 at 12:31 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: sorry I missed the last 5 pages very wise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I just wanted to pop in one more time to say what an awful idea 18 games is. It's very clear that the fans don't want it, the coaches don't want it, the players don't want it. ONLY the greedy owners want it. Just an awful, awful idea. It's going to be a real bummer watching the NFL orchestrate its own demise in the coming years due to nothing more than greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Logic said: I just wanted to pop in one more time to say what an awful idea 18 games is. It's very clear that the fans don't want it, the coaches don't want it, the players don't want it. ONLY the greedy owners want it. Just an awful, awful idea. It's going to be a real bummer watching the NFL orchestrate its own demise in the coming years due to nothing more than greed. fans want it somewhat nothing like having the hope that your team's 1-6 start can be brushed off for that second WC spot.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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