nucci Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I really like the Bills WRs but his point about Allen’s short throw accuracy is not completely off. I’m expecting Josh to take steps forward (in that department) but Beasley is only going to help if that happens. That's the talking point about Allen. It's what we're going to hear about all camp and preseason. Allen made some great throws and will improve. 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: You are I generally agree but I'm not sure about your opinion that this was textbook jury nullification. That term usually means that the jury didn't convict because they don't like the consequences of the conviction. To me the textbook example would be a dad who is accused of killing his daughter's rapist. Should he be convicted of murder? By law, if he is indeed the killer, yes. But the jury doesn't want to see the guy punished for doing a very understandable thing. So they find not guilty. I think OJ's case was all about reasonable doubt. I think Cochran very adeptly played the race card and made the jury believe that white cops like Fuhrman may have manufactured some of the evidence against OJ. And I think Scheck was masterful in casting doubt on the forensic evidence. And there might have been some hanky-panky in the the glove fiasco. All in all, OJ's "Dream Team" did what they needed to do against an over-matched duo of prosecutors. And a guilty man walked free. If one of my children were butchered by a scumbag like OJ, I wouldn't want to see his name on the Wall of Fame or listen to him pleasantly chit-chatting with TG. he wouldn't be alive today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: There is no doubt that his legal team did their job, while the prosecution got caught up in playing to the cameras, and the judge allowed the courtroom to turn into a circus. You are probably right in terms of the textbook example of jury nullification; however, I'm not so sure most of the jurors bought into reasonable doubt - but, I could be wrong on that. I don't believe the defense convinced most of the jurors that Simpson didn't do it, as much as they did a good job of portraying the LAPD as racist, corrupt, etc... - thereby, creating a choice for the jurors: convict Simpson and let the LAPD go unpunished, or acquit Simpson and punish the LAPD for a long history of egregious behavior. This is exactly true. I remember the joyous reactions of many black people after the verdict and didn't for a second get the impression that they were happy because an innocent man was justly acquitted. They were celebrating the fact that a corrupt system, and the LAPD in particular, took one right between the eyes. This was a masterful performance by Cochran. Edited July 4, 2019 by vincec 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 58 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: There is no doubt that his legal team did their job, while the prosecution got caught up in playing to the cameras, and the judge allowed the courtroom to turn into a circus. You are probably right in terms of the textbook example of jury nullification; however, I'm not so sure most of the jurors bought into reasonable doubt - but, I could be wrong on that. I don't believe the defense convinced most of the jurors that Simpson didn't do it, as much as they did a good job of portraying the LAPD as racist, corrupt, etc... - thereby, creating a choice for the jurors: convict Simpson and let the LAPD go unpunished, or acquit Simpson and punish the LAPD for a long history of egregious behavior. This is a good point. While the LAPD deserved consequences for some of their poor behavior, letting a killer go free was not the best way to do it IMHO. Blacks shouldn't get prosecuted for being black. But neither should blacks like OJ go unpunished for being black. While the former happens far, far, far more than the latter (and I can't emphasize that enough), both are wrong. Sadly, I won't live long enough to see a color-blind society here in America where people are universally judged by the 'content of their character, not by the color of their skin.' But hopefully I do live long enough to see OJ's name taken off the wall and the Bills win a Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, vincec said: This is exactly true. I remember the joyous reactions of many black people after the verdict and didn't for a second get the impression that they were happy because an innocent man was justly acquitted. They were celebrating the fact that a corrupt system, and the LAPD in particular, took one right between the eyes. This was a masterful performance by Cochran. A good book on the subject was written by former Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi. In his work "Outrage", Bugliosi hammers home quite a dissection of the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 17 hours ago, HuSeYiN_NYC said: I’m only 41 years old (today actually) HAPPY Birthday! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 hours ago, StHustle said: With that type of violent and bloody killing of two people by a knife...you dont find the lack of blood evidence a cause for concern? Im just going off my memory of the case. I was very young then, like around 10 years old so I may be forgetting key things but if I remember correctly they couldnt connect him to blood of either victim besides evidence proven to have been planted. To the contrary, there absolutely was blood/DNA evidence and the defense managed to muddy the waters with made up fanatsies about the blood evidence being planted and/or that the blood samples were tainted while in custody. The prosecution was in over its head and the OJ bought himself an acquittal. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I thought it was funny that OJ was complaining about trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, vincec said: ...This was a masterful performance by Cochran. Few realize that he financed his law degree by writing the bumper sticker ‘If This Van’s Rockin’, Don’t Bother Knockin!’ * ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Any respect I had for Timmah Graham just evaporated. No self-respecting journalist would give that POS an interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Rico said: No place is more dangerous than the space between Fred Goldman and a TV camera. Having your son butchered and watching your government bumble through the prosecution might make anyone feel voiceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 hours ago, vincec said: This is exactly true. I remember the joyous reactions of many black people after the verdict and didn't for a second get the impression that they were happy because an innocent man was justly acquitted. They were celebrating the fact that a corrupt system, and the LAPD in particular, took one right between the eyes. This was a masterful performance by Cochran. I thought the same thing immediately after the verdict and that opinion was really driven home after watching ‘OJ: Made in America.” One of the best documentaries, regardless of subject matter, that I’ve seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 10 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I have investigated / analyzed more homicides over the last 35 years than I care to even remember. Having grown up idolizing O. J. Simpson, and from a professional curiosity perspective, I watched most of that trial and paid very close attention to the facts of the case. So, the answer to your question is, (1) Acquittal does not equal innocent, (2) there was NOT a lack of evidence of guilt, (3) there were no "equally plausible" suspects and (4) yes, I have concluded, based on everything I know about that case, that O. J. Simpson killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. It was a text book example of jury nullification. That trial started as a murder trial and ended as a referendum on racism within the LAPD. That is just my opinion; however, one, that I believe, is reasonably arrived at. You are welcome to have a different opinion. Jim Brown had his own take on the OJ Simpson situation...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Nothing positive or useful can come from rehashing this. Treat those in your life with respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Jim Brown had his own take on the OJ Simpson situation...interesting. What was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 10:49 AM, yungmack said: So in spite of a jury decision of "Not Guilty," a lack of evidence of guilt, and several equally plausible potential perps, you have concluded he did it. Yes. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 12 hours ago, row_33 said: Nothing positive or useful can come from rehashing this. Treat those in your life with respect. It's Tim Graham. Your expectations need to be more realistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, bbb said: What was it? Well...I should not have even mentioned it. Let's just say that he is not a fan of Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Well...I should not have even mentioned it. Let's just say that he is not a fan of Simpson. Yeah, I knew that. I just wanted to know what his theory was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, bbb said: Yeah, I knew that. I just wanted to know what his theory was. Well...it was no theory. Jim Brown voiced his opinion back then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 46 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's Tim Graham. Your expectations need to be more realistic. I respect your views Nae room in my heart or life for Tom Graham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 8:16 AM, Troll Toll said: I’m too young to know the details of the case, but the man was found not guilty. Yes.........yes you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 OJ can rot in hell, i could care less what he thinks about Josh Allen. I am also disgusted by any "Bills fans" that would actually go up and want to meet him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, row_33 said: I respect your views Nae room in my heart or life for Tom Graham ..Graham is Graham...according to friends I have in Bflo, he STILL has a voracious hatred, acrimonious and vitriolic feeling towards the deposed Brandon, almost to an obsession.....Brandon likely will never work in Buffalo again because of Pegula, but if, IF a company was to hire him, Timmy is lurking in the bushes for an expose'......how sad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 12:42 PM, billsfan1959 said: I have investigated / analyzed more homicides over the last 35 years than I care to even remember. Having grown up idolizing O. J. Simpson, and from a professional curiosity perspective, I watched most of that trial and paid very close attention to the facts of the case. So, the answer to your question is, (1) Acquittal does not equal innocent, (2) there was NOT a lack of evidence of guilt, (3) there were no "equally plausible" suspects and (4) yes, I have concluded, based on everything I know about that case, that O. J. Simpson killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. It was a text book example of jury nullification. That trial started as a murder trial and ended as a referendum on racism within the LAPD. That is just my opinion; however, one, that I believe, is reasonably arrived at. You are welcome to have a different opinion. No he didn't, but odds are great that he knows who did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Jim Brown had his own take on the OJ Simpson situation...interesting. ...not to hijack, but 'ol Jim is not well liked in Cleveland from friends there......domestic violence charges cast him in a negative light among Cleveland ares residents.......have no idea or comment on its validity.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 hours ago, K-9 said: I thought the same thing immediately after the verdict and that opinion was really driven home after watching ‘OJ: Made in America.” One of the best documentaries, regardless of subject matter, that I’ve seen. I was a great documentary. There is of course no doubt that Simpson is the killer, but the documentary showed the context in which the jury did what it did. The great irony is that Simpson, who most believe had turned his back on the black community, was the beneficiary of this racial blowback. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not to hijack, but 'ol Jim is not well liked in Cleveland from friends there......domestic violence charges cast him in a negative light among Cleveland ares residents.......have no idea or comment on its validity.......... I remember that reputation surrounding Brown. Brown's concerns with Simpson were more inner racial issues. I suppose the allegations against Simpson and the subsequent verdict may have helped trigger Brown. Edited July 5, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 They asked me who I would like to have dinner with today in group therapy if I could pick anyone in the whole wide world and I picked OJ. Best RB in Buffalo Bills history. Wall of famer. Incredible running back. Legend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..Graham is Graham...according to friends I have in Bflo, he STILL has a voracious hatred, acrimonious and vitriolic feeling towards the deposed Brandon, almost to an obsession.....Brandon likely will never work in Buffalo again because of Pegula, but if, IF a company was to hire him, Timmy is lurking in the bushes for an expose'......how sad..... What's his beef with Brandon? From that podcast, it seems like they have a running joke where they call Brandon's office phone and always get his voice mail..............Sounds like he works at New Era now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...not to hijack, but 'ol Jim is not well liked in Cleveland from friends there......domestic violence charges cast him in a negative light among Cleveland ares residents.......have no idea or comment on its validity.......... Mr. Brown carries a dignity about him, I haven't heard much out of him that I would argue about to his face... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 59 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: They asked me who I would like to have dinner with today in group therapy if I could pick anyone in the whole wide world and I picked OJ. Best RB in Buffalo Bills history. Wall of famer. Incredible running back. Legend. It’s a shame you can’t have dinner with that OJ instead of the the OJ currently occupying his body. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 9:29 AM, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Convicted of civil “wrongful death.” Has dodged the Goldman family ever since. Listen to the deposition recordings from The civil case sometime—he crumbles under the questioning and the case is basically laid bare, but draw your own conclusions. The civil trial removed any doubt in my mind that he did it. You see a similar bump among opinion polls too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, K-9 said: It’s a shame you can’t have dinner with that OJ instead of the the OJ currently occupying his body. I CAN HAVE DINNER WITH ANY OJ I WANT!! *in my therapeutic voice* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/4/2019 at 9:41 AM, NoSaint said: I hope Tim thinks twice about the professional and person he aspires to be. past history shows he and I have different expectations though. Hes literally got troll in his name. It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) On 7/4/2019 at 1:03 PM, 4merper4mer said: Goldman could make bank by charging to sign Rollie Fingers on baseballs. As a kid, I used to make fun of him but as an adult I can’t imagine how awful it must have felt when the “not guilty” verdict came down. I feel really bad for families Edited July 6, 2019 by Phil The Thrill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted July 6, 2019 Author Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, bbb said: What's his beef with Brandon? From that podcast, it seems like they have a running joke where they call Brandon's office phone and always get his voice mail..............Sounds like he works at New Era now. Thats an old voice message. From what I can gather....think that plan were well in motion to hire Russ at New Era Cap. Tim found out about it about before New Era broached the subject with the Pegula’s or the press and it was reported in the BN. New Era denied that he was working there, which likely was in response to the Bills not approving, so they parted ways. It seems like Tim plays the VM to almost mock New Era for denying they were hiring him, when he had a voicemail. Just me reading the tea leaves.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 So is forgiveness not a thing? Should the guy be a "scumbag" for the rest of his life because of one (albeit big) mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 And TG continues to be an ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: So is forgiveness not a thing? Should the guy be a "scumbag" for the rest of his life because of one (albeit big) mistake? One pretty crucial aspect of forgiveness is admitting said mistake. And by the way, I don't think double homicide can really be classified as a "mistake." So, yes, OJ will be rightfully considered a "scumbag" for the rest of his life. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: So is forgiveness not a thing? Should the guy be a "scumbag" for the rest of his life because of one (albeit big) mistake? Well, if the bag fits... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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